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Ok, last time. Please keep this shit out of my thread. You didn't say gun once in your post in a thread entirely about guns. If you want to continue pushing your marxist propaganda please do it somewhere else.

so reciting known documented history is now Marxist propaganda? LOL...your about stuck on stupid no wonder you can't figure anything out and have zero comprehension on how the US economy functions.
 
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the only thing that will make LAM happy is no currency and full gov't control of food, they will control the time we eat the wages we make so no one is rich and what we consume. There will be no motivated engineers or developers because who cares to discover the next big thing if the guy who bitches about having a minimum education, minimum experience, minimum work ethic wants to make more then minimum wage.
 
so reciting known documented history is now Marxist propaganda? LOL...your about stuck on stupid no wonder you can't figure anything out.

Again, you fucking moron. This is about guns. not anything else. I started this thread for a purpose, and you can't stay anywhere close to being on topic. Do not come back to this thread. Post your shit in other threads started by other people for any other topic. I really couldn't care where, just not here.

Obviously it's a free country, and an open internet, but if you have any sense of propriety you will realize I want to keep this discussion centered on the topic I chose, and not your worthless to the topic BS you feel an unholy obligation of posting.

I hope to only see you in other threads from now on. Thank you for your cooperation.
 
Azza to the mods is like that sick little puppy that they know they should just shoot in the head because its missing an eye and retarded but they just cant seem to finish him off. So they just kind of feed him and string him along.
 
the only thing that will make LAM happy is no currency and full gov't control of food, they will control the time we eat the wages we make so no one is rich and what we consume. There will be no motivated engineers or developers because who cares to discover the next big thing if the guy who bitches about having a minimum education, minimum experience, minimum work ethic wants to make more then minimum wage.

I get that same impression.

I want this thread to be about guns, about a love of shooting guns and keeping our right to bear arms sufficiently protected so that red blooded meat eating Americans who aren't pussified by political correctness don't lose more of their rights to the thought police
 
Senate rejects expanded gun background checks - CNN.com

Damn that was close. I need to contact my senators and let them know i'm happy with their votes. then contact the senators from my home state and bitch till they listen.

Too close:The final vote was 54 in favor to 46 opposed with four Republicans joining most Democrats in supporting the compromise. With the outcome obvious, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, cast a "no" vote to secure the ability to bring the measure up again.


At least this one was still royally put down: On the proposal by Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California to update a 1994 ban on semi-automatic weapons that expired in 2004, the vote was 40-60, showing opposition by several Democrats as well as the chamber's Republican minority.
 
[h=1][/h][h=1]Gun control:Obumma?s biggest loss[/h]http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-vote-obamas-biggest-loss-90244.html?hp=t1_3

By REID J. EPSTEIN and GLENN THRUSH | 4/17/13 7:52 PM EDT
Never before had President Barack Obama put the moral force and political muscle of his presidency behind an issue quite this big ? and lost quite this badly.
The president, shaken to the core by the massacre of 26 innocents at Sandy Hook Elementary School, broke his own informal ?Obama Rule? ? of never leaning into an issue without a clear path to victory ? first by pushing for a massive gun control package no one expected to pass, and then sticking through it even as he retrenched to a relatively modest bipartisan bill mandating national background checks on gun purchases.
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It was a bitter defeat for a president accustomed to winning, a second-term downer that may ? or may not ? foreshadow the slow decline suffered by so many of his predecessors. Obama seems to have the public behind him, but it illustrated his less-than-Johnsonian powers of personal persuasion, the possible shortcomings of his decision to wait a month after the killings to present a plan and above all the limits of his go-to ?outside? strategy of taking his case directly to the American people.
(Also on POLITICO: Obama laments "shameful day")
More than anything, it was an emotional blow to Obama, who was as irritated at the four members of his own party as he was at the 90 percent of Republicans who defeated the bill.
One administration official told POLITICO the White House was especially disappointed with Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D), the only dissenting Democrat not up for re-election next year, who refused to go along with the bill even after White House chief of staff Denis McDonough visited her office to make Obama?s case on Tuesday.
Still, officials believed Heitkamp would have flipped if they had gotten closer to the 60 votes they needed.
?The president was tremendously committed and emotionally engaged. I watched the president with these families. He was there for them and really felt it,? said Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat who worked closely with the White House in the aftermath of the worst school shooting in the history of his state.
(Also on POLITICO: Senate gun control roll call vote: Senators who bucked their party)
?Background checks will happen,? he added, minutes after the vote. ?This outcome is a delay, not a defeat.?
Added Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.): ?I never saw a president fight so hard, a vice president, never on any issue? It shows us the cowardice of the Senate.?
In the end, however, moderates and conservatives in the upper chamber said they simply couldn?t deal with a flurry of progressive issues at once ? from gay marriage to immigration to guns.
The three Democratic ?no? votes ? Max Baucus of Montana, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Mark Begich ? were never really in play, sources familiar with the situation told POLITICO.



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Gun control: Obama???s biggest loss - Reid J. Epstein and Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com
Gun control: Obama???s biggest loss - Reid J. Epstein and Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com
 
[h=1]Gun control backers: Senate defeat won't stop us[/h]By ALAN FRAM and DAVID ESPO | Associated Press ? 2 hrs 44 mins ago






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WASHINGTON (AP) ? President Barack Obama and his gun control allies say Senate rejection of expanded background checks and other restrictions won't stop their drive to reduce firearms violence. But their path to enacting gun curbs this year seems blocked by the National Rifle Association, and supporters of restrictions appear befuddled about what it will take to push legislation through this Congress.
The Senate planned to vote Thursday on two more amendments to a gun control bill. One by Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., would cut aid to state and local governments that release information on gun owners. Another by Sens. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, and Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., would bolster federal mental health programs.
But just four months after a gunman killed 20 children and six adults at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., the Senate proved unwilling Wednesday to approve the key elements of President Barack Obama's response to the massacre. Lawmakers rejected broader federal background checks and bans on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines, jarring gun control backers who thought Newtown would spur Congress to act and delivering a victory for the NRA and a defeat for Obama.
"I see this as just Round One," the president said at the White House, surrounded by relatives of Newtown's victims and badly wounded former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
Looking ahead to the 2014 congressional elections, he added, "If this Congress refuses to listen to the American people and pass common-sense gun legislation, then the real impact is going to have to come from the voters."
Obama blamed lawmakers' fear that "the gun lobby would spend a lot of money" and accuse them of opposing the Second Amendment's right to bear arms.
But opponents of the restrictions ? which would have been the most meaningful gun curbs approved by Congress in two decades ? said the curbs were defeated because they wouldn't have worked.
Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., said most proposals were "predicated on one assumption that somehow we think that the criminal element will single out this one law to comply with."
Added Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., of the expanded background check plan, "This is the first step in the erosion of my rights under the Second Amendment."
The day was not a complete victory for the NRA. Senators defeated one GOP amendment requiring states that let people carry concealed weapons to honor other states' concealed carry permits. Also rejected was a Republican proposal letting some veterans with mental problems have firearms unless a court blocks them from getting the weapons.
But when the votes were over, it was gun control advocates who seemed most perplexed about what it would take to succeed. Though an AP-GfK poll shows support for stricter gun laws receding a bit, surveys have also shown 8 in 10 or more people backing expanded background checks.
"There's never been a bigger disconnect between where the American public is on an issue and where the Senate ended up," said Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn.
"Tragically, it may take more mass killings," said Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn.
Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., who helped craft the bipartisan plan widening background checks, said he would continue talking to other senators to see whether there were changes he could make that would attract their votes. But he conceded he had no answer.
"If I knew, we wouldn't be talking because it would have passed," he told a reporter.
No. 2 Senate leader Richard Durbin, D-Ill., was among several Democrats who joined Obama in saying Wednesday's roll calls left them with an issue to take to voters.
"We're now in the world of Gabby Giffords and Mayor Bloomberg and organizations that are organized to come out and support those who vote for gun safety and oppose those who don't," he said, referring to wealthy New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who has been financing gun control efforts.
But Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., expressed doubts.
"If it were a real effective political strategy, you wouldn't have seen a lot of Democrats from Southern states voting with Republicans today," he said. Some Western Democrats voted against restrictions as well.
NRA lobbyist Chris W. Cox thanked lawmakers for defeating the "misguided" background check expansion, saying it would have criminalized gun transactions between friends ? a charge Obama and others called untrue.
Mayors Against Illegal Guns, financed by Bloomberg, called the vote "a damning indictment" of the gun lobby's power.
Wednesday's key vote came as the Senate rejected a plan by Manchin and Sen. Patrick Toomey, R-Pa., to extend background checks ? now required for transactions involving gun dealers ? to sales at gun shows and online.
The roll call was 54-46 in favor, short of the 60 votes proponents needed. Just four Republicans voted to expand the checks while five Democrats voted no, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who backed the expansion but switched his vote to give himself the right to demand a new roll call in the future.
By agreement between GOP and Democratic leaders, all amendments debated Wednesday needed 60 of the Senate's 100 votes to pass. While all failed, all received more than 50 votes but two: the proposed bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
"Show some guts," Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., the assault weapons ban sponsor, told her colleagues before the vote, knowing she would lose.
Emotions engulfed those watching the Senate as well.
When the background check amendment failed, Patricia Maisch, watching from a visitors' gallery, shouted down into the Senate chamber, "Shame on you!" Maisch helped restrain the gunman at the 2011 Tucson shooting in which six people died and 13, including Giffords, were wounded.
Also in the Capitol was Carlee Soto, younger sister of slain Sandy Hook Elementary School teacher Vicki Soto.
"We elected these people," Carlee said. "I have no idea whose voice they were speaking for today."
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Associated Press writers Donna Cassata, Laurie Kellman, Richard Lardner and Andrew Taylor contributed to this report.
 
Has anyone else noticed that the Newtown families are somehow always available as background dressing for the president at a moment's notice? Call me a conspiracy theorist and I'll say guilty as charged, but after all this time I'm sure they'd have to go back to work by now.
 
the only thing that will make LAM happy is no currency and full gov't control of food, they will control the time we eat the wages we make so no one is rich and what we consume. There will be no motivated engineers or developers because who cares to discover the next big thing if the guy who bitches about having a minimum education, minimum experience, minimum work ethic wants to make more then minimum wage.

LOL at your puny radial brain, it's always absolutes to you people, if I talk out against crony capitalism then I "must" be for big government...brilliant deduction their shit for brains
 
Again, you fucking moron. This is about guns. not anything else. I started this thread for a purpose, and you can't stay anywhere close to being on topic. Do not come back to this thread. Post your shit in other threads started by other people for any other topic. I really couldn't care where, just not here.

Obviously it's a free country, and an open internet, but if you have any sense of propriety you will realize I want to keep this discussion centered on the topic I chose, and not your worthless to the topic BS you feel an unholy obligation of posting.

I hope to only see you in other threads from now on. Thank you for your cooperation.

you would be the moron that has been brainwashed by countless decades of US media propaganda. you can't even see through their obvious bullshit by manipulating the emotions of the masses and making puppets like you dance at their whim. you can't even take notice to a very obvious distraction such as the gun debate when US political history clearly shows a lack of any major reform on this topic.

LMAO!
 
^^^And people wonder why the NRA is so vigilant in throwing it's weight around in it's sphere of influence. The anti's complain about the lunatic fringe who comprises the NRA yet it's influence is obviously much stronger than it's 4 million members. Could it be that there is a large part of the voting population that while not an active rolled member of the NRA is still a staunch supporter of their political agenda? I think so. Ever vigilant
 
LOL at your puny radial brain, it's always absolutes to you people, if I talk out against crony capitalism then I "must" be for big government...brilliant deduction their shit for brains

your just good at two things copy and paste....
 
everyone be sure to write your representatives and thank them for voting this thing down. or if you are unfortunate enough to live in a state who voted for these amendments then we need to call them up and tell them their vote was noticed and will impact them in 2014.
 
Over the weekend, we came four votes away from the United States Senate giving our Constitutional rights over to the United Nations. In a 53-46 vote, the senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.
The Statement of Purpose from the bill read:
To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.
The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration, would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms. The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S., and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry on all private guns and ammo.
Astonishingly, 46 of our United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power.
Here are the 46 senators that voted to give your rights to the U.N. Notice that ALL are either Democrat or "Independent."



Baldwin (D-WI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennet (D-CO)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Coons (D-DE)
Cowan (D-MA)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gellibrand (D-NY)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hirono (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaine (D-VA)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)

People this needs to go viral. These Senators voted to let the UN take our guns. They need to lose the election. We have been betrayed. These
46 Senators Voted to Give your 2nd Amendment Constitutional Rights to the U.N.
 
Levin is in his last term. He's retiring after this so he won't suffer any repercussions from however he votes.
 
I bet the cops that just took the wounded 19 year old Boston bomber into custody all fired more than seven rounds at him when they engaged. 1 threat and the kid probably had hundreds of rounds fired at him and I'm supposed to defend my family with just seven rounds.
 
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The seven round magazine capacity is for "your protection."
 
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I bet the cops that just took the wounded 19 year old Boston bomber into custody all fired more than seven rounds at him when they engaged. 1 threat and the kid probably had hundreds of rounds fired at him and I'm supposed to defend my family with just seven rounds.

What, a pistol with a seven round capacity?
What kind of family defense situation can you see that would require more than seven rounds to deal with?
If I was that concerned as to a mass home invasion that would take more than seven rounds to deal with I would own something like a Mossberg 903 auto loader shotgun for a backup.
 
What, a pistol with a seven round capacity?
What kind of family defense situation can you see that would require more than seven rounds to deal with?
If I was that concerned as to a mass home invasion that would take more than seven rounds to deal with I would own something like a Mossberg 903 auto loader shotgun for a backup.

All the people I know who have been in gun fights never cursed themselves for having magazines that held more rounds than they "needed".
 
All the people I know who have been in gun fights never cursed themselves for having magazines that held more rounds than they "needed".

If people think they need more than seven rounds for home defense then they may want to think about buying a tactical autoloader shotgun.
If my wife unloads on any home invaders at short range with our 903 and I unload on them with our 930 I doubt that home invaders will argue with us.
Do you?
 
If people think they need more than seven rounds for home defense then they may want to think about buying a tactical autoloader shotgun.
If my wife unloads on any home invaders at short range with our 903 and I unload on them with our 930 I doubt that home invaders will argue with us.
Do you?

Have you known anyone to be upset their weapons had too high capacity? And you can indeed miss with a shotgun, contrary to popular belief. The spread isn't wide enough to guarantee a hit.
 
What, a pistol with a seven round capacity?
What kind of family defense situation can you see that would require more than seven rounds to deal with?
If I was that concerned as to a mass home invasion that would take more than seven rounds to deal with I would own something like a Mossberg 903 auto loader shotgun for a backup.
Pretty much any situation.

My wife being engaged by multiple threats would be one example. A few guys break in to steal and don't want to leave a witness.

Yeah, I own various weapons for various applications myself.
 
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