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Al Sharpton is going to march now, because he's going to say it's all a publicity stunt. Zimmerman must of purposely turned over the truck himself, then drove around the block, and then decided to help him. Jesse Jackson is going to march, because he's going to say if the man in the truck was black, Zimmerman would've never helped him.


Reminds me of Hancock

 
As I have already pointed out. He could have been tried as an adult had things gone differently. He was making big boy decisions, and big boy decisions have big boy consequences. This is the real world and we play with real consequences here. you attack a man with a gun then putting your life on the line is your choice. Even if at 17 you are too stupid to realize it at the time.

Quit being precise. I choose to think of Trayvon as a child. A baby really. You can think of gold tooth purple drank weed smoking jewelry thief Trayvon but I'll always think of sweet innocent newborn baby Trayvon.
 
I have a CCW, and i regularly leave the house with a loaded gun. If my neighborhood recently had had a lot of break ins I would probably volunteer for the neighborhood watch as well. When it's night and you see someone 5'11" 160 lbs, teenager doesn't come to mind. You need to get over the teenager shit LW. He was 17 and if he would have slammed GZ's head in the concrete killing him (not an unheard of scenario) he could have been tried as an adult. So twist things however you want, but it's bogus and everyone can see that.

Had Trayvon killed Georgie wouldn't he be able to use stand your ground in his defense, I mean a grown man was stalking him as he walked home at night. He was minding his own business when he sees this person staring him down, he takes off running in a new neighborhood, possibly forgot which way was home and panicked for his life and felt he had to confront George.


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Quit being precise. I choose to think of Trayvon as a child. A baby really. You can think of gold tooth purple drank weed smoking jewelry thief Trayvon but I'll always think of sweet innocent newborn baby Trayvon.
8 pound 6 ounce newborn infant sweet baby jesus.
 
He was minding his own business when he sees this person staring him down, he takes off running in a new neighborhood, possibly forgot which way was home and panicked for his life and felt he had to confront George.

Which was the wrong thing to do and that's why Zimmerman walked.
 
Had Trayvon killed Georgie wouldn't he be able to use stand your ground in his defense, I mean a grown man was stalking him as he walked home at night. He was minding his own business when he sees this person staring him down, he takes off running in a new neighborhood, possibly forgot which way was home and panicked for his life and felt he had to confront Georg


I have no idea why stand your ground is even on the table, the zimmerman defense team never used it as their defense. Also, blacks use this legal strategy 2 to 1 over whites in Florida.


Anyway, im glad George was able to help out society....twice.
 
Had Trayvon killed Georgie wouldn't he be able to use stand your ground in his defense, I mean a grown man was stalking him as he walked home at night. He was minding his own business when he sees this person staring him down, he takes off running in a new neighborhood, possibly forgot which way was home and panicked for his life and felt he had to confront George.


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doesn't appear that confronting george qualifies for standing your ground. hmmmm. Confronting shows offense. How can he claim defense? By all accounts the attack happened when trayvon attacked george. Following someone on a street that they both have a right to doesn't mean trayvon could pull a 'stand your ground' defense.

If Trayvon stops and asks George "why are you following me" the outcome is totally different in my opinion. Trayvon jumped George, George felt threatened and killed Trayvon in self defense. open and shut.
 
doesn't appear that confronting george qualifies for standing your ground. hmmmm. Confronting shows offense. How can he claim defense? By all accounts the attack happened when trayvon attacked george. Following someone on a street that they both have a right to doesn't mean trayvon could pull a 'stand your ground' defense.

If Trayvon stops and asks George "why are you following me" the outcome is totally different in my opinion. Trayvon jumped George, George felt threatened and killed Trayvon in self defense. open and shut.

He gave chase when Martin started running, its in the 911 call. George escalated everything by taking off after him. I know if someone were to start chasing me after I saw them staring me down I'm going to be in a state of self preservation. Thats my whole beef with this, I am all for people being able to carry weapons for self defense, what I want to see not happen is those people putting themselves into situations like this where they are going to have use those weapons. When I took martial arts classes we were taught that the best self defense was to avoid confrontation. George didn't do that, he is an irresponsible gun owner who thinks because he can carry its his duty to police his little world. He had no right to pursue Martin.


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As I have already pointed out. He could have been tried as an adult had things gone differently. He was making big boy decisions, and big boy decisions have big boy consequences. This is the real world and we play with real consequences here. you attack a man with a gun then putting your life on the line is your choice. Even if at 17 you are too stupid to realize it at the time.

you know for a FACT that Trayvon was the aggressor?
 
He gave chase when Martin started running, its in the 911 call. George escalated everything by taking off after him. I know if someone were to start chasing me after I saw them staring me down I'm going to be in a state of self preservation. Thats my whole beef with this, I am all for people being able to carry weapons for self defense, what I want to see not happen is those people putting themselves into situations like this where they are going to have use those weapons. When I took martial arts classes we were taught that the best self defense was to avoid confrontation. George didn't do that, he is an irresponsible gun owner who thinks because he can carry its his duty to police his little world. He had no right to pursue Martin.


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zimmerman had more than one opportunity also to diffuse the whole thing, and prevent any mischief or crime if that's what the boy was up to, simply by stating he was on neighborhood watch patrol or explain the area had had break ins. my opinion on why he didn't do this is that he didn't want to deter crime or diffuse things, he wanted a "collar."

to a lot of people a barking dog will scare away criminals but we aren't crazy enough to remove the dogs vocal cords then just lay in wait hoping to confront them with a gun. i think zimmerman's the latter type.
 
the best self defense was to avoid confrontation. George didn't do that

There's no evidence Zimmerman confronted Martin. There's no evidence Zimmerman kept following Martin after the call to the police.
 
There's no evidence Zimmerman confronted Martin. There's no evidence Zimmerman kept following Martin after the call to the police.

unless you are willing deaf to the audio on 911 call you can gather your own evidence in he said trayvon was running then you can hear zimmerman start running.
George Zimmerman?s Statements To Sanford PD [Audio] | AxiomAmnesia.com Presents They Always Get Away: Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman Documents, Photos, Videos, Audio, and Articles
 
i seriously worry about the men here that think a teenager just past the hump of turning 17 is a huge threat. your kids are going to rule you. as a mom with a big teen that thinks he's a man sometime i assure you he's not yet any kind of force to be reckoned with. he's a pup. i think you all know full well that the adult males here wouldn't get easily beat down or beat to death by the teens here. or don't you? :coffee:
 
if he didn't intent to hunt the boy he could have said to dispatcher tell them to meet me at car or club house... it seems pretty clear he didn't do that for a reason and i don't think it's because he was hunting wabbits.
 
you know for a FACT that Trayvon was the aggressor?

There has been no evidence shown to make me, or the 6 member jury whose job it was to look at all the evidence presented to say otherwise.
 
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i seriously worry about the men here that think a teenager just past the hump of turning 17 is a huge threat. your kids are going to rule you. as a mom with a big teen that thinks he's a man sometime i assure you he's not yet any kind of force to be reckoned with. he's a pup. i think you all know full well that the adult males here wouldn't get easily beat down or beat to death by the teens here. or don't you? :coffee:

pup or not Trayvon felt he could take George, or why else would he attack him? I'm sure your son is smart enough not to attack one of us. If he isn't then unfortunately he will have to deal with the very real consequences of the adult decisions he has made, regardless of him being exactly 6574 days old or not.
 
i seriously worry about the men here that think a teenager just past the hump of turning 17 is a huge threat.

No you don't. You're just grasping at straws since you can't argue within the context of the law.
 
i seriously worry about the men here that think a teenager just past the hump of turning 17 is a huge threat. your kids are going to rule you. as a mom with a big teen that thinks he's a man sometime i assure you he's not yet any kind of force to be reckoned with. he's a pup. i think you all know full well that the adult males here wouldn't get easily beat down or beat to death by the teens here. or don't you? :coffee:

You're right. You're absolutely right. But for all of Zimmerman's faults, you have to give the man credit for carding the person he's about to shoot...
 
LW how far off the reservation do you have to be when you are the only one here at IM arguing your side of the case? Let me remind you we all hate, the government, don't trust the courts, and pretty much always expect the powers that be to get it wrong.
 
No you don't. You're just grasping at straws since you can't argue within the context of the law.

i would be ashamed of a male partner that was intimidated by my son. i'd break up with the wuss. that's not grasping at any straws.

i think if the prosecution had presented a more competent case and the jury was actually sequestered things may have gone a lot different. also have to wonder since zimmerman's felony cleaning up daddy the ex judge is a factor in reality... how bad anyone wanted this case won to begin with???
 
LW how far off the reservation do you have to be when you are the only one here at IM arguing your side of the case? Let me remind you we all hate, the government, don't trust the courts, and pretty much always expect the powers that be to get it wrong.

i'm not the only one arguing i'm just more tenacious. have you met maniclion? dale mabry? lots of opinions here that zimmerman is a criminal not a hero. i'm far from alone.
 
pup or not Trayvon felt he could take George, or why else would he attack him? I'm sure your son is smart enough not to attack one of us. If he isn't then unfortunately he will have to deal with the very real consequences of the adult decisions he has made, regardless of him being exactly 6574 days old or not.

you do not know that he did. you only believe that to be so. i don't know either i only have strong suspicions. at least i am aware of that.
 
i would be ashamed of a male partner that was intimidated by my son. i'd break up with the wuss. that's not grasping at any straws.

i think if the prosecution had presented a more competent case and the jury was actually sequestered things may have gone a lot different. also have to wonder since zimmerman's felony cleaning up daddy the ex judge is a factor in reality... how bad anyone wanted this case won to begin with???
yup. this is certainly grasping at straws. Now you are second guessing (which is your right) the lawyers. I've yet to even see the law school trained commentators second guess the way you are.
 
i'm not the only one arguing i'm just more tenacious. have you met maniclion? dale mabry? lots of opinions here that zimmerman is a criminal not a hero. i'm far from alone.

Both those guys are more middle of the road than you are. So again I ask, how far off the reservation have you gone?
 
you do not know that he did. you only believe that to be so. i don't know either i only have strong suspicions. at least i am aware of that.

Like yourself I've said I don't know what happened. I have said i've seen no evidence to lead me to believe otherwise. So I accept it as it is. There is nothing out there for evidence that shows zimmerman was able to catch trayvon started the altercation, and then shot him from close distance (forensics show the shot occurred from a few inches, corroborating zimmermans account). there is plenty to indicate zimmerman did not catch trayvon, and that trayvon attacked zimmerman.

would zimmerman been in any danger, and had any scrapes to his face and head if he had caught up to and attacked trayvon? You yourself argue that trayvon was just a weak boy who would have stood no chance against the grown man zimmerman.
 
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