Zimmerman Rescues Man From The Truck Crash

[Little Wing]

did you even read the article?

Ron Grenier, a former FBI agent and lie detector expert, said the voice stress analysis test is not as reliable as a polygraph test. Also, he said, it's unclear what the examiner meant by "confront." Further, such tests don't measure a person's state of mind or fear at some other time, he added.

"He may have convinced himself that he was in fear of his life, but whether or not he was is not definitive," Grenier said.

Zimmerman's responses would be more meaningful, he said, if he had been asked, " 'Did Trayvon Martin attack you and knock you to the ground?' Or 'Was Trayvon Martin on top of you hitting you before you shot him?' "
Joe Navarro, a former FBI agent who teaches interviewing techniques at Saint Leo University, agreed. "You have to ask precise questions," he said. "You want to know at what point you feared for your life."

 

[troubador]

want me to hold you and calm your fears?

Does that come with a happy ending?

 

[Little Wing]

honestly, if your daughter told you the guy down the street stuck his finger in her vagina would you wait till it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in court and not make any judgements on him if it couldn't be? would you so vehemently defend HIS innocence?

 

[Little Wing]

Does that come with a happy ending?

yes, mine.

 

[troubador]

did you even read the article?

Ron Grenier, a former FBI agent and lie detector expert, said the voice stress analysis test is not as reliable as a polygraph test. Also, he said, it's unclear what the examiner meant by "confront." Further, such tests don't measure a person's state of mind or fear at some other time, he added.

"He may have convinced himself that he was in fear of his life, but whether or not he was is not definitive," Grenier said.

Zimmerman's responses would be more meaningful, he said, if he had been asked, " 'Did Trayvon Martin attack you and knock you to the ground?' Or 'Was Trayvon Martin on top of you hitting you before you shot him?' "
Joe Navarro, a former FBI agent who teaches interviewing techniques at Saint Leo University, agreed. "You have to ask precise questions," he said. "You want to know at what point you feared for your life."

Yeah, it was none admissible but the fact that he took it and passed is somewhat interesting. It was kind of a shitty article.

Zimmerman's responses would be more meaningful, he said, if he had been asked, " 'Did Trayvon Martin attack you and knock you to the ground?' Or 'Was Trayvon Martin on top of you hitting you before you shot him?'

Well they know Martin was on top of him hitting him before Z shot.

 

[Little Wing]

if a guy did finger your daughter would you insist that didn't make him a bad guy? would you trust him? not worry if he carried a gun?

 

[Little Wing]

 

[troubador]

honestly, if your daughter told you the guy down the street stuck his finger in her vagina would you wait till it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in court and not make any judgements on him if it couldn't be? would you so vehemently defend HIS innocence?

Not likely.

 

[Little Wing]

maybe i'm 100 percent wrong but doing daycare i have seen that doe eyed please believe me look so many times. without the blood but with same plea to buy they are a total bambi and not a little shit that did something naughty. looks to me that is one creepy ass cracker.

 

[Little Wing]

assault victims usually just look beat to shit not like they are pardon the expression, trying to get away with murder.

 

[Little Wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55l2Dj6AeFY


have a look at the bushes trayvon supposedly jumped out of. so much is just ridiculous.

 

[troubador]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55l2Dj6AeFY


have a look at the bushes trayvon supposedly jumped out of. so much is just ridiculous.

Yeah huge difference between jumping out of the bushes and coming from near some bushes. Pretty damning evidence you got there.

 

[Little Wing]

i'm thinking this happened on mulberry street.

 

[maniclion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55l2Dj6AeFY


have a look at the bushes trayvon supposedly jumped out of. so much is just ridiculous.

Right there in that video, Trayvon is simply asking this guy if he has a problem, wanting to know who this suspicious stranger is who was chasing him, Zimmerman reaches for his pocket after saying no I don't have a problem. Trayvon thinks " this dudes reaching for either a gun or a knife", do I run and get shot in the back or let this guy grab a knife and quickly close this 10-15 foot gap and gut me. Hell no neither works out well for me it's go time. George shouldn't have pursued, while he did though when he did talk to Martin he should have clarified 2 things I am with Neighborhood watch and I am just making sure the area is safe, do you live here? As a responsible neighborhood watch he should know these things.

He shouldn't have lied when challenged by Martin with "you have a problem?" He says no like a pussy and then fumbles in his pockets like a scared bitch instead of just saying, "maybe, I am neighborhood watch and I haven't seen you here before, do you live here or are you visiting someone?"

I have had to do this many times because my GF's mother who is mentally ill and has had drug problems from time to time would get mixed up with unsavory characters. She isn't supposed to have any guests over but she used to get some grimey lowlifes to come to my house. This is one reason I have 5 dogs, 3 of which would devour a strangers face. A few times I'd hear my dogs barking and look out the window to see someone who looks straight out of How to Spot a Meth Head for Dummies trying to open our front gate that I keep locked for this reason. " Can I help you?" Is my first response usually they ask " eh brah is G home?, I try call but she no ansah". I always tell them she isn't home and she is not allowed to have guests over, this is my home she is already a guest living here.

Oh but I'm a good guy/gal brah I am not up to no bad or What this some kind prison for her, a half way house you can't treat her li'dat brah". Is the typical response. I tell them" look what is your name and I'll tell her you came by."

I've had a guy jump my fence and I came out and told him you are trespassing, get back over that fence or the dogs and I are coming at you full force. "Hey fuck you brah I come back and get you huh, I get my boys we fuck you up cuz..." "Bring it me and the cop across the street and whoever is on duty will be waitng right here, looking for license plate Tr3 ft7 red beat to shit toyota pickup with faded white camper possibly in possesion of weapons, meth and paraphenalia...what was your name again? How many outstanding warrants, your probation officers name...smile you're on candid camera(pointing to the camera hiding under the eave of my garage)

You have to know how to confront thugish people or those on that path, especially if George wanted to be a cop or even just the neighborhood hero...


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[troubador]

Right there in that video, Trayvon is simply asking this guy if he has a problem, wanting to know who this suspicious stranger is who was chasing him, Zimmerman reaches for his pocket after saying no I don't have a problem. Trayvon thinks " this dudes reaching for either a gun or a knife", do I run and get shot in the back or let this guy grab a knife and quickly close this 10-15 foot gap and gut me. Hell no neither works out well for me it's go time. George shouldn't have pursued, while he did though when he did talk to Martin he should have clarified 2 things I am with Neighborhood watch and I am just making sure the area is safe, do you live here? As a responsible neighborhood watch he should know these things.

He shouldn't have lied when challenged by Martin with "you have a problem?" He says no like a pussy and then fumbles in his pockets like a scared bitch instead of just saying, "maybe, I am neighborhood watch and I haven't seen you here before, do you live here or are you visiting someone?"

It's interesting in your story how this Trayvon character has moral immunity and the burden of morality is on George. George must act as the guardian and is even responsible for the poor decisions made by Trayvon. George is an imperfect christ-like figure that fails Trayvon who must suffer the consequences of George Christ's inability to bear Trayvon's sins. Ultimately George couldn't save Trayvon but can't escape his fate as the Christ and in vain bears Trayvon's sins in the end anyway. It's really beautiful man. Look forward to reading the entire novel.

 

[Dale Mabry]

There's no evidence that Zimmerman initiated a physical altercation or provoked Martin into one. A really simple way to look at is, what illegal act did Zimmerman engage in before Martin punched him?

There is evidence he chased him(The 911 call), that's enough for me. I don't think anyone has the right to chase someone else down, I believe that's called stalking and is illegal. At the end of the day all we have is Zimmerman's word and that's not enough for me just as Martin's word wouldn't have been enough for me if he survived and killed Zimmerman.

 

[maniclion]

It's interesting in your story how this Trayvon character has moral immunity and the burden of morality is on George. George must act as the guardian and is even responsible for the poor decisions made by Trayvon. George is an imperfect christ-like figure that fails Trayvon who must suffer the consequences of George Christ's inability to bear Trayvon's sins. Ultimately George couldn't save Trayvon but can't escape his fate as the Christ and in vain bears Trayvon's sins in the end anyway. It's really beautiful man. Look forward to reading the entire novel.

Zimmerman did have a higher moral obligation, he is an adult, Trayvon was a minor; GZ was acting as neighborhood watch his duty is to watch the neighborhood for the protection of people and property, he failed when he killed a current resident by assuming he was young, black and must be up to no good or on drugs or something; finally he is a concealed weapons holder and has a duty to avoid putting himself into situations where he may have to use it, being able to carry doesn't give you a badge nor a license to kill nor should it give someone extra courage to go chasing after someone he felt was suspicious and possibly up to no good and maybe on drugs. What exactly was he expecting if he had caught up to this mysterious stranger in the rain? How did he know this stranger wasn't armed and possibly crazed? Would he have been so fleet footed if he wasn't armed? I doubt it since he obviously had no skills to defend himself in hand to hand if his story is true.

The NRA should be the ones putting a bounty out on this loose cannon, not the Black Panthers. All he has done is focus more negative attention on the second amendment and given ammo to those who would love to take our guns from our live warm hands. How all of you gun owners can applaud him as a hero is beyond me, unless all of you have a hero complex like Georgie just because you can carry a firearm around and feel invincible.


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[LAM]

It's interesting in your story how this Trayvon character has moral immunity and the burden of morality is on George. George must act as the guardian and is even responsible for the poor decisions made by Trayvon. George is an imperfect christ-like figure that fails Trayvon who must suffer the consequences of George Christ's inability to bear Trayvon's sins. Ultimately George couldn't save Trayvon but can't escape his fate as the Christ and in vain bears Trayvon's sins in the end anyway. It's really beautiful man. Look forward to reading the entire novel.

when you get down to brass tax one citizen has no authority to stop and question another. so whatever transpired after that we will never know.

one thing I do do is that people like Zimmerman who was obviously unstable to begin with is fucked for the rest of his life. I'm sure he can't sleep for shit and nobody is going to want to hire that guy so employment opportunities for him in the future are slim and I find solace in knowing that.

 

[bio-chem]

I'm worried there are more people out there like LW who could be chosen for a jury where all she needs to vote guilty is a "feeling" he is creepy.

 

[Little Wing]

I'm worried there are more people out there like LW who could be chosen for a jury where all she needs to vote guilty is a "feeling" he is creepy.

i think this comment is more non compos mentis because you completely are missing the gulf between what i think might of hasppened and my believing the verdict is right. the prosecution did a shitty job and it makes me feel a bit ill that they expected people to convict him without hard facts. guess they wanted a lynch mob not a jury.

i'm not one of the people upset with the verdict or jurors. you're ready to hang me for presenting an argument of what could have happened that night and completely ignoring the fact i'm content with the verdict. you clearly have no objective ability to identify people who know the difference between maybes and facts. i'm the one that isn't stooping to personal insults because i don't know or even think i know all the facts here and i have no need to insult people i consider friends over this case. so who is emotional or too invested?

i think i'd have made a much more objective juror that people who are positive what happened either way cuz no one has really proven jack shit. they did not prove murder or manslaughter but that doesn't mean he didn't get away with murder. there is no way you can be absolutely sure of that given the evidence. like me, you have an opinion.

 

[Little Wing]

when you get down to brass tax one citizen has no authority to stop and question another. so whatever transpired after that we will never know.

one thing I do do is that people like Zimmerman who was obviously unstable to begin with is fucked for the rest of his life. I'm sure he can't sleep for shit and nobody is going to want to hire that guy so employment opportunities for him in the future are slim and I find solace in knowing that.

one witness said there was shouting back and forth including the word "no" then she saw people standing and both flailing arms before the shot. could mean zimmerman did try and detain martin.

unfortunately a lot a racists would probably hoist zimmerman on their shoulders and shout hurrah. that's probably one of the things keeping him from sleeping. he's a hero to racists now. that must be really tough if you're not a racist. seemed pretty cold for the family he rescued to so vehemently reject any association with him...

 

[heckler7]

when you get down to brass tax one citizen has no authority to stop and question another. so whatever transpired after that we will never know.

one thing I do do is that people like Zimmerman who was obviously unstable to begin with is fucked for the rest of his life. I'm sure he can't sleep for shit and nobody is going to want to hire that guy so employment opportunities for him in the future are slim and I find solace in knowing that.

its kind of freedom of speech, but even more so on your own property. What hasn't been addressed is that the kid didn't commit a crime so he shouldn't have followed him. And GZ wasn't wearing a uniform which would distinguish him as security and maybe TM would have taken a different approach in the situation. Either way I wasn't on the jury so I don't know all the details, but as a father I would be pissed that my son is dead and all people care about is whos black and whos white.

 

[Little Wing]

if he was just a guy out trying to be a good citizen and stop crime in his complex... and race didn't matter to him at all. has anyone considered what it must feel like to have racists patting you on the back for killing a ni**er? i doubt it feels any better than people thinking you killed someone you shouldn't have. racist using him for some kind of hero in their twisted little wet dreams is one of things that will ruin the rest of his life.

 

[Little Wing]

its kind of freedom of speech, but even more so on your own property. What hasn't been addressed is that the kid didn't commit a crime so he shouldn't have followed him. And GZ wasn't wearing a uniform which would distinguish him as security and maybe TM would have taken a different approach in the situation. Either way I wasn't on the jury so I don't know all the details, but as a father I would be pissed that my son is dead and all people care about is whos black and whos white.

i think he should have stated why he was following the boy. probably would have changed the whole story.

in an interview several days later, (officers) Singleton and Serino suggest Zimmerman was running after Martin before the confrontation. They also ask the neighborhood watch volunteer why he didn't explain to Martin why he was following him. The officers insinuate that Martin may have been "creeped out" by being followed. "Do you think he was scared?" Singleton asked Zimmerman in one video interview.

 

[troubador]

There is evidence he chased him(The 911 call), that's enough for me. I don't think anyone has the right to chase someone else down, I believe that's called stalking and is illegal.

No, Z didn't stalk M. LW posted the actual law for us.

when you get down to brass tax one citizen has no authority to stop and question another. so whatever transpired after that we will never know.

There's no evidence Zimmerman stopped and questioned Martin. You guys have no problem making up your own facts.

And it's "brass tacks" not tax.

 

[troubador]

Zimmerman did have a higher moral obligation, he is an adult, Trayvon was a minor; GZ was acting as neighborhood watch his duty is to watch the neighborhood for the protection of people and property, he failed when he killed a current resident by assuming he was young, black and must be up to no good or on drugs or something; finally he is a concealed weapons holder and has a duty to avoid putting himself into situations where he may have to use it, being able to carry doesn't give you a badge nor a license to kill nor should it give someone extra courage to go chasing after someone he felt was suspicious and possibly up to no good and maybe on drugs. What exactly was he expecting if he had caught up to this mysterious stranger in the rain? How did he know this stranger wasn't armed and possibly crazed? Would he have been so fleet footed if he wasn't armed? I doubt it since he obviously had no skills to defend himself in hand to hand if his story is true.

Hey I don't know what they were thinking. You're the author not me.

 

[Little Wing]

listen to the police interrogate him. he followed him then followed him some more. if it was YOUR kid it def would not seem like an ok thing to do.

 

[Little Wing]

Feds take evidence related to Zimmerman trial, including gun - CNN.com

 

[troubador]

listen to the police interrogate him. he followed him then followed him some more. if it was YOUR kid it def would not seem like an ok thing to do.

It wasn't illegal and that's all that matters. You've expressed your feelings on the matter and we haven't forgot; no need to remind us.

 

[Dale Mabry]

No, Z didn't stalk M. LW posted the actual law for us.




There's no evidence Zimmerman stopped and questioned Martin. You guys have no problem making up your own facts.

And it's "brass tacks" not tax.

For those of you who say SYG wasn't involved...

As for stalking...Zimmerman followed him in his car and then got out on foot and followed him. How is that not repeated following? Let's look at another scenario...

You leave a bar and someone calls you a douche bag or whatever and follows you. You try to run away, or maybe you don't. The person antagonizes you and you hit him. Somehow you get on top and start beating him, does anyone think he has a right to shoot you? By every single loophole law pointed out in this case, the person on the bottom has the right to shoot you. This is the problem, under no circumstance similar to that should a person be able to shoot another person. I am all for a person's right to carry a firearm for self defense or protection and in this case it wasn't used in that way. You are just asking for stricter gun laws by holding this degenerate to such high esteem. An innocent person died(Maybe not a model citizen but guilty of no crime in this case) at the hands of someone who had no business shooting him. This isn't going to help the case for the 2nd Amendment, it's going to hurt it. What happened that night is anybody's guess, but an armed person should not be able to kill an unarmed person with their weapon if that person isn't committing a crime under any circumstance. Sane people realize this and not all that many people carry guns. Honestly I don't care because I don't carry a gun, but you should. If shit like this is allowed to happen I can see the 2nd amendment slowly eroding away. Hell, who would have guessed gays would be allowed to marry or states would start decriminalizing marijuana offenses any time soon and it is already happening.