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FILE - In this April 17, 2013 file photo, President Barack Obama puts his arm around former Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords before speaking in the Rose Garden at the White House in Washington about measures to reduce gun violence. Striving to take action where Congress would not, the Obama administration announced new steps Thursday on gun control, curbing the import of military surplus weapons and proposing to close a little-known loophole that lets felons and others circumvent background checks by registering guns to corporations. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta, File)

JOSH LEDERMAN 22 minutes agoPolitics & GovernmentBarack ObamaWhite HousePresidency of Barack ObamaJoe Biden




WASHINGTON (AP) ? Striving to take action where Congress would not, the Obama administration announced new steps Thursday on gun control, curbing the import of military surplus weapons and proposing to close a little-known loophole that lets felons and others circumvent background checks by registering guns to corporations.
Four months after a gun control drive collapsed spectacularly in the Senate, President Barack Obama added two more executive actions to a list of 23 steps the White House determined Obama could take on his own to reduce gun violence. With the political world focused on Mideast tensions and looming fiscal battles, the move signaled Obama's intent to show he hasn't lost sight of the cause he took up after 20 first graders and six adults were gunned down last year in an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.
One new policy will end a government practice that lets military weapons, sold or donated by the U.S. to allies, be reimported into the U.S. by private entities, where some may end up on the streets. The White House said the U.S. has approved 250,000 of those guns to be reimported since 2005; under the new policy, only museums and a few other entities like the government will be eligible to reimport military-grade firearms.
The Obama administration is also proposing a federal rule to stop those who would be ineligible to pass a background check from skirting the law by registering a gun to a corporation or trust. The new rule would require people associated with those entities, like beneficiaries and trustees, to undergo the same type of fingerprint-based background checks as individuals if they want to register guns.
Vice President Joe Biden, Obama's point-man on gun control after the Newtown tragedy thrust guns into the national spotlight, unveiled the new actions Thursday at the White House.
The National Rifle Association dismissed the administration's moves as misdirected.
"Requiring background checks for corporations and trusts does not keep firearms out of the hands of criminals," the NRA's Andrew Arulanandam said. "Prohibiting the re-importation of firearms into the U.S. that were manufactured 50 or more years ago does not keep firearms out of the hands of criminals. This administration should get serious about prosecuting violent criminals who misuse guns and stop focusing its efforts on law-abiding gun owners."
In announcing the steps in the White House Roosevelt Room, Biden also swore in Todd Jones, whose confirmation to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after six years of political wrangling to fill that position was another of Obama's post-Newtown priorities. A Senate deal to approve the president's pending nominations after Democrats threatened to change Senate rules cleared the way for Jones' confirmation last month.
Still out of reach for Obama were the steps that gun control advocates and the administration's own review say could most effectively combat gun violence in the U.S., like an assault weapons ban and fewer exceptions for background checks for individual sales. Only Congress can act on those fronts.
Although Obama and Biden have said the fight is not over, there is scant evidence that there is more support for gun control legislation than there was in April, when efforts died in the Senate amid staunch opposition from the National Rifle Association and most Republican senators.
"Sooner or later, we are going to get this right," Obama said that day in the White House Rose Garden, with the families of Newtown victims and former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords ? herself a victim of a gunman ? at his side. "The memories of these children demand it, and so do the American people," the president said at the time.
In the months following the Senate vote, Biden has claimed that at a handful of lawmakers who opposed expanded background checks have told him privately they've changed their minds and want another chance. But Biden and White House officials have not named any of those lawmakers.
These days, Obama mentions gun control with far less regularity than when it appeared the Senate was poised to take action, although Obama did meet Tuesday with 18 city mayors to discuss ways to contain youth violence. And with immigration and pressing fiscal issues dominating Congress' agenda, the prospects for reviving gun legislation appear negligible.
With Jones' confirmation at ATF, the White House has completed or made significant progress on all but one of the 23 executive actions Obama had previously ordered in January, the White House said. Still lingering is an effort to finalize regulations to require insurers to cover mental health at parity with medical benefits, although the White House said that it is committed to making that happen by the end of 2013.
The new rules for guns registered to corporations will follow the traditional regulatory process, with a 90-day comment period before ATF reviews suggestions and finalizes the rule. Last year, ATF received 39,000 requests to register guns to corporations and trusts.
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This administration should get serious about prosecuting violent criminals who misuse guns and stop focusing its efforts on law-abiding gun owners.
^ this.

Prohibiting the re-importation of firearms into the U.S. that were manufactured 50 or more years ago does not keep firearms out of the hands of criminals..

one large market for these guns besides collectors, are off grid homesteaders. a lot are good meat guns and the price is right.

Inexpensive retired Russian military rifles can be the ideal backwoods meat guns by Rev. J.D. Hooker



 
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This administration should get serious about prosecuting violent criminals who misuse guns and stop focusing its efforts on law-abiding gun owners.
^ this.

Prohibiting the re-importation of firearms into the U.S. that were manufactured 50 or more years ago does not keep firearms out of the hands of criminals..

one large market for these guns besides collectors, are off grid homesteaders. a lot are good meat guns and the price is right.

Inexpensive retired Russian military rifles can be the ideal backwoods meat guns by Rev. J.D. Hooker




How DARE you come into a gun control thread with facts and common sense. :nono:
 
This administration should get serious about prosecuting violent criminals who misuse guns and stop focusing its efforts on law-abiding gun owners.
^ this.

Prohibiting the re-importation of firearms into the U.S. that were manufactured 50 or more years ago does not keep firearms out of the hands of criminals..

one large market for these guns besides collectors, are off grid homesteaders. a lot are good meat guns and the price is right.

Inexpensive retired Russian military rifles can be the ideal backwoods meat guns by Rev. J.D. Hooker




All that will do is make the prices of Mausers and Nagants go even higher. Nagants are still largely affordable considering they are antiques that still shoot well.
 
Seems you are not in love with president obama as I had previously thought. i underestimated you and i'm sorry

i was never so much for obama as vehemently opposed to his opponent.
 
When I was a kid growing up in Buffalo, NY there was a law on the books that went something like this: You commit a crime with a gun in your possession, it is an automatic 10 years tacked on to the sentence even if the gun was not used in the commission of the crime. As my dad would say, "No self respecting burglar would ever carry a gun on a job." Back in the late 70's some dip shit federal judge declared that law un-Constitutional for some damn reason. Guess what happened, gun violence and the use of guns in crimes went through the roof.

If I could, this is what should be done curb gun violence: how about building two super duper motha-fucker work to eat prisons. One on the North Slope of Alaska the other out in the Mojave Desert some place. Commit a crime with a gun, you get 10 years with no parole tacked on to be served at one of these fine establishment. With the bonus of, if you are from a warm weather state, you go to Alaska. From up north? Say hello to the scorpions.
 
[h=1]The truth about Obama's new executive orders targeting guns[/h]By John Lott
Published August 29, 2013FoxNews.com


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It sure sounds scary. "Military weapons" being reimported back into the United States. Or people getting guns without background checks. But the reception being given President Obama's two new executive orders on guns largely relies on ignorance of how the current rules work.
The president's executive order banning the reimportation of &quotmilitary weapons&quot really only affects old M-1 Garand 30-06 rifles. These rifles have been used in the Civilian Marksmanship Program program and are mainly purchased by collectors. At one time they were &quotmilitary weapons,&quot but they were used in World War II and the Korean War.
No other US-made military rifles are being imported. And, more importantly, this semi-automatic rifle is functionally no different than any semi-automatic deer hunting. They fire the same bullets at the same rapidity and do the same damage as other deer hunting rifles.
The only difference is that these old Garands tend to be relatively heavy -- in the past 60 years, manufacturers have learned how to make lighter versions of these guns.
The reception being given President Obama's two new executive orders on guns largely relies on ignorance of how the current rules work.
Despite the scary rhetoric, the White House is leaving out one important point: it isn't pointing to any cases where imported U.S.-made military weapons have been used in a crime. And the reason is obvious: there probably aren't any.
Regarding the second executive order, the only &quotcorporate&quot registration is for Class III (machine guns) weapons. Again, the Obama administration doesn't provide examples of people using a corporation to register handguns or semi-automatic rifles as a way to bypass criminal background checks.
More importantly, it fails to point to any cases where such guns have been used in crimes. Corporations are used (primarily) to obtain fully-automatic machine guns, as they are usually out of the price range of most citizens (running at least about $20,000 each).
Yes, when registered to a corporation any officer is allowed to posses the machine gun, but the point that the transfer occurs still requires a NICS check for the person actually picking up the gun.
What happens under current law is that if a gun is registered to a corporation, then anyone who is an officer in the corporation would be allowed to use the gun.
As with many actions these days by the Obama administration, the president doesn't have the authority to rewrite the current rules. Changing these rules for corporations requires congressional action.
Of course, all this is typical for our president, with Obama in the past making such completely false claims as ?as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases take place without a background check.&quot
But how many times can the president cry wolf without losing all credibility?





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embarrassed about your votes for Obama. uh? lol.

along with the other 51% who voted for him a second time. Fool me once........
 
[h=1]HARVARD STUDY: NO CORRELATION BETWEEN GUN CONTROL AND LESS VIOLENT CRIME[/h]
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[h=2]A Harvard Study titled "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?" looks at figures for "intentional deaths" throughout continental Europe and juxtaposes them with the U.S. to show that more gun control does not necessarily lead to lower death rates or violent crime.[/h]Because the findings so clearly demonstrate that more gun laws may in fact increase death rates, the study says that "the mantra that more guns mean more deaths and that fewer guns, therefore, mean fewer deaths" is wrong.
For example, when the study shows numbers for Eastern European gun ownership and corresponding murder rates, it is readily apparent that less guns to do not mean less death. In Russia, where the rate of gun ownership is 4,000 per 100,000 inhabitants, the murder rate was 20.52 per 100,000 in 2002. That same year in Finland, where the rater of gun ownership is exceedingly higher--39,000 per 100,000--the murder rate was almost nill, at 1.98 per 100,000.
Looking at Western Europe, the study shows that Norway "has far and away Western Europe's highest household gun ownership rate (32%), but also its lowest murder rate."
And when the study focuses on intentional deaths by looking at the U.S. vs Continental Europe, the findings are no less revealing. The U.S., which is so often labeled as the most violent nation in the world by gun control proponents, comes in 7th--behind Russia, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania, Belarus, and the Ukraine--in murders. America also only ranks 22nd in suicides.
The murder rate in Russia, where handguns are banned, is 30.6; the rate in the U.S. is 7.8.
The authors of the study conclude that the burden of proof rests on those who claim more guns equal more death and violent crime; such proponents should "at the very least [be able] to show a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that impose stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide)." But after intense study the authors conclude "those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared around the world."
In fact, the numbers presented in the Harvard study support the contention that among the nations studied, those with more gun control tend toward higher death rates.
Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter @AWRHawkins.

 
In his chest or head?

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Obomba can go suck a big fat dick.
 
I'm pleasantly surprised at the attitudes here. I knew DOMS would agree with me, but seeing Littlewing and Biochem on the right side of this issue makes me happy!
 
I'm pleasantly surprised at the attitudes here. I knew DOMS would agree with me, but seeing Littlewing and Biochem on the right side of this issue makes me happy!

i've a long established history of staunch 2a support
 
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