16 week cycle coming to a close and i dont wanna stop :(

[FTW34]

Hey guys just wanted to share, My cycle was as follows

Weeks 1-5
Dbol 50mg
Tbol80mg
Var50mg
500 Test E
300 Test Prop
Aromasin 25mg Daily

5-10
Tbol80mg
Var 50mg
T3 75mcg
Test E 1000mg
Aromasin 25mg daily

10-16
Tren Ace 800mg
Test Prop 400mg
t3 75mcg
Var 50mg
Adex 1mg ED
Caber

Its almost over and i want to go for another two months, im loving this too much I cant stop dont wanna stop now, Worried about my NATTY levels in the future, i want kids, fuck fuck fuck this tren is morphing me into a beast (first tren cycle) i want more. What to do? What to do?

Bitches look at me everywhere i go, even guys fucking look at me. PPL in the gym ask what am i on, what is my diet? its like fuck. fuck. damn. Time on time off? how am i suppose to take 16 weeks off? thats torture. wtf

Never tried superdrol before

I wanna do

Tren E 1000mg
Test E 750mg
Superdrol 20mg
T3 75mcg
Adex 1mg
Caber
Liv52
Advanced Cycle Support

for 2 months? muahaha

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Sounds like you've already decided what you're gonna do... I dont really see the point of time on equals time off. I think its only benefit is to drop your bodies tolerance to the steroids so when you get back on they work at similar doses instead of having to increase to crazy levels. I see no reason that taking 16 weeks off is going to help get your bodies test levels back to normal, and why? If your plan is to just fuck it up all over again why not just stay on most of the time until you plan to quit the game and stay natural? Getting levels back to normal for good is not as easy as it sounds depending on what drugs you've used.

 

[FTW34]

the truth hurts doesnt it... i feel like i made the hasty decision of running tren, and thats already damaging enough

 

[Standard Donkey]

Sounds like you've already decided what you're gonna do... I dont really see the point of time on equals time off. I think its only benefit is to drop your bodies tolerance to the steroids so when you get back on they work at similar doses instead of having to increase to crazy levels. I see no reason that taking 16 weeks off is going to help get your bodies test levels back to normal, and why? If your plan is to just fuck it up all over again why not just stay on most of the time until you plan to quit the game and stay natural? Getting levels back to normal for good is not as easy as it sounds depending on what drugs you've used.

what the actual fuck? i sincerely hoping you are referencing myostatin.. but given the retarded nature of your other posts.. i find it doubtful that you are

 

[Standard Donkey]

also Op, what are your stats and age?


not really relevant but im just curious

 

[Dannie]

Sounds like you are enjoying yourself, what were your results like on tren, can you post a pic? I am just starting Tren cycle.

As for cycle length, I tried long cycles and blast and cruise. Imo its better to do 8-10 weeks cycle and come off for at least 8 weeks.

 

[MattPorter]

I think that cycle was irresponsible ....lots of methylated orals for a long period of time....who advised this cycle for you?
If you keep cycling like this --- health ramifications are right around the corner and then you wont be able to show-off much of anything.

Use injectables for most cycles --- no reason not to, safer and IMO much more maintainable gains.

The cycles you listed I would envision someone 5 10 260 ++++ and very advanced....but who knows....

-Matt

 

[Digitalash]

Sounds like you've already decided what you're gonna do... I dont really see the point of time on equals time off. I think its only benefit is to drop your bodies tolerance to the steroids so when you get back on they work at similar doses instead of having to increase to crazy levels. I see no reason that taking 16 weeks off is going to help get your bodies test levels back to normal, and why? If your plan is to just fuck it up all over again why not just stay on most of the time until you plan to quit the game and stay natural? Getting levels back to normal for good is not as easy as it sounds depending on what drugs you've used.

Won't comment on "tolerance to steroids" but the idea of staying on most of the time and then one day deciding to go natty is retarded. If you're on most of the time, guess what? There is no going back to natty, your testosterone now comes in a bottle, not from your nuts.

OP you ran 16 weeks of orals? And three at the same time? None of this seems very smart bro... You're gonna do what you want as far as blast/cruise etc. but at least don't be a retard.

 

[Ezskanken]

16 weeks of orals must have reaked havok on your lipids bro. Were you taking any kind of organ support at all those 16 weeks?

 

[Wrekem]

after running my prop/dbol cycle...i tried getting through pct...lost the vascularity quickly...one month later i hopped back on for a cut cycle and never looked back...that was in april...it is what it is, just gotta make your decision, because once you do, even at a young age, there may not be any going back. its just something you gotta think about if you want your goals to become your profession when it comes to never coming off (blast/cruise), but if youre a gym rat...just be smart cuz you got a life outside that gym. remember that...

 

[FTW34]

age 25
Weight this morning 203
Hieght 5`6

only oral taken for the duration was Anavar.
Tbol was 10 weeks
Dbol was 5 weeks


avatar picture was taken off cycle.

 

[NVRBDR]

Sounds like you need to post a pic of the new you then

 

[Standard Donkey]

I think that cycle was irresponsible ....lots of methylated orals for a long period of time....who advised this cycle for you?
If you keep cycling like this --- health ramifications are right around the corner and then you wont be able to show-off much of anything.

Use injectables for most cycles --- no reason not to, safer and IMO much more maintainable gains.

The cycles you listed I would envision someone 5 10 260 ++++ and very advanced....but who knows....

-Matt

lol

 

[Standard Donkey]

age 25
Weight this morning 203
Hieght 5`6

only oral taken for the duration was Anavar.
Tbol was 10 weeks
Dbol was 5 weeks


avatar picture was taken off cycle.

5'6 203.. no wonder everyone is looking at you lol


manlet (jk dont be mad)

 

[Vibrant]

Get some bloodwork to check how everything looks like.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

what the actual fuck? i sincerely hoping you are referencing myostatin.. but given the retarded nature of your other posts.. i find it doubtful that you are

I can accept your comment that I am retarded, and I won?t even attempt to flame you back. On any given dose of steroids you will hit a point when more is required to gain more. I have no medical knowledge to back up my claims. I don?t think it has to do with maxing out the potential of a dose as much as it is your body doesn't respond to that dose anymore. So it?s either add more, or stop to give the receptors a break. You don?t have to agree with me, and I'll side with you when you find real medical info saying otherwise. Not something you read in Muscular Development, but from something like Google Scholar, or similar legit source.

 

[Standard Donkey]

I can accept your comment that I am retarded, and I won?t even attempt to flame you back. On any given dose of steroids you will hit a point when more is required to gain more. I have no medical knowledge to back up my claims. I don?t think it has to do with maxing out the potential of a dose as much as it is your body doesn't respond to that dose anymore. So it?s either add more, or stop to give the receptors a break. You don?t have to agree with me, and I'll side with you when you find real medical info saying otherwise. Not something you read in Muscular Development, but from something like Google Scholar, or similar legit source.

just stop..

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Won't comment on "tolerance to steroids" but the idea of staying on most of the time and then one day deciding to go natty is retarded. If you're on most of the time, guess what? There is no going back to natty, your testosterone now comes in a bottle, not from your nuts.

OP you ran 16 weeks of orals? And three at the same time? None of this seems very smart bro... You're gonna do what you want as far as blast/cruise etc. but at least don't be a retard.

Well don?t be so fooled by the benefits of cycling steroids to keep natural levels in check. Even with proper PCT it?s not a safe bet things will ever go back to normal. I've done two short cycles of injectables, and a couple cycles with pro-steroids like Methyl-D, and 1-TU. PCT after every cycle, and no cycle lasting more than 6 weeks due to high blood pressure and or anxiety issues. After a few years of gaining weight and feeling depressed as hell I finally got labs done and my test was in the mid 200's like 2-3 years after stopping any hormones. Maybe it was ignorant to assume things were back to normal, but I felt relatively normal and all my other labs were great i.e. liver, thyroid, and lipids. Now I am 32 and probably 7 years out and my hormones were in the low 100's and dropped even into double digits. I've had testing of everything that would cause my natural levels to drop and nothing is medically wrong with me. The only thing that could have done this to me is messing around with hormones. So based on my own experience with steroids my views are if you're going to keep starting and stopping your natural production I wouldn't bother taking them at all, or I would run them until I didn't want to anymore before trying to go natural again.

And I agree more than 4-6 weeks of methylated orals is asking for trouble, and most people wouldn't monitor their liver through labs during a long oral cycle to even know if they are doing harm.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

just stop..

Prove otherwise with a legit source or stop being a troll/douche.

 

[Roaddkingg]

No one wants to stop when you feel like superman, I know I dont.
But thats where my common sence kicks in and until I decide to blast & cruise for good I always plan out my cycles and stick to the plan.
It's not easy.

 

[jshel12]

if you were in your 30s I'd say just cruise on low dose test, but seeing how you want kids someday I would just come off and pct then cycle again after you recover and repeat that until you have kids. If your not a pro why risk it, you might meet some gorgeous girl thats cool as shit and she leaves you cause you can't give her kids. Its not worth it. Besides you can still run a few cycles a year for now then blast and cruise later on, its not the end of the world. Good luck either way and give your liver a little break.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Prove otherwise with a legit source or stop being a troll/douche.

Androgen Receptor in Human Skeletal Muscle and Cultured Muscle Satellite Cells: Up-Regulation by Androgen Treatment

 

[FTW34]

SD thats way too much reading explain is laman terms please. thanks

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Androgen Receptor in Human Skeletal Muscle and Cultured Muscle Satellite Cells: Up-Regulation by Androgen Treatment

Want to give a point of reference in that article that contradicts anything I claimed? In what I scanned over I read nothing for or against this debate.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Several investigators have shown previously that extracts of human skeletal muscle have demonstrable expression of AR (15, 16, 17, 18, 19). Similarly, studies performed in rodents and other experimental animals have provided evidence of AR expression in the skeletal muscle (24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33); these studies report significant differences in the intensity of AR expression in different muscle groups. In general, more androgen-responsive muscle groups, such as levator ani, express higher levels of AR than less responsive muscle groups, such as gastrocnemius (29, 30). AR expression in the skeletal muscle decreases after castration and is up-regulated by androgen administration (26, 28, 30).

There was a qualitative increase in the density of AR within satellite cells and myonuclei after administration of a supraphysiologic dose of testosterone enanthate. Similarly, in enriched satellite cell cultures, incubation with androgens increased the expression of AR protein, measured by Western blot analysis.


These data are consistent with those of Sheffield-Moore et al. (12) and Kadi et al. (17, 18), who also reported an increase in AR expression in the skeletal muscle biopsies from men receiving androgenic steroids.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

What part of that implies the body, or receptors do not adjust to a given dose of testosterone? I see nothing that mentions tolerances to anything. It compares AR expression in castrated animals and those treated with testosterone. What does that have to do with building a tolerance to testosterone? At any dose over time the gains taper off significantly.

 

[Standard Donkey]

read the fucking text..

fuck

im not going to continue to spoon feed this to you.. you're a grown ass man

 

[Standard Donkey]

can someone get Mr. Heavyiron in here to weigh in on this? I have a distinct feeling that Trojan is having a difficult time dealing with being educated by someone 10 years younger than him.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

You sir are a moron. You're not here to teach anyone anything. You're here to be a jackass troll. If you cannot express your opinions like an adult, and explain your point of view then maybe you shouldn't post.

 

[Standard Donkey]

You sir are a moron. You're not here to teach anyone anything. You're here to be a jackass troll. If you cannot express your opinions like an adult, and explain your point of view then maybe you shouldn't post.

i called you out on your pseudoscience, you demanded literature which i provided.. you then wanted me to simplify the literature because you couldnt understand it.. so i found parts which supported my view in the fewest and smallest words possible to facilitate your comprehension.

just because you can't understand what someone is saying, doesnt mean they arent explaining it well.

someone else take over this guy is annoying me lol