6 week insulin run

[Mike Arnold]

havent seen any facts yet
Let it go...you're making yourself look extremely stupid right now.

, and yes the I'm a dumbass because I have type 1 daibetes and have been injecting myself 6x a day for years and read tons of literature on the subject, but some internet know it all unlocked the secret formula that doctors and scientist failed to discover in lifetimes of research.
LOL...doctors don't have a fucking clue (nor do they give a fuck) about how to best use insulin to accomplish the goals of a BB'r. Dude, are you really that fucking dumb (yes, you are)? The application of PED's, including insulin, for performance enhancment is considerd a non-ethical practice among the medical community and hence, no studies have been conducted towards this end (aside from a very limited number, most of which are nothing more than confirmation of information we already know in the BB'ing community). The medical community is highly ignorant regarding the optimal application of insulin (and PED's in general) in BB'rs. I just recently watched a "harvard" doctor teach a class on the use of steroids for performance enhancment, who was so fucking ignorant on the subject that I literally almost shit myself. This was a damned "HARVARD" doctor that didn't even know even basic information, while proceeding to toss out one incorrect piece of infommration after another. It is the coaches and members of the BB'ing community who conduct this research in the real-world, with real people, doing fringe research the medical community would never touch. Real-world experience and anecodtal evidence make up 95% of all accepted BB'ing knowledge. There is no univerity in the world a doctor could attend if he wanted to learn how to optimally apply PED's in BB'rs. Virtually everything we do as BB'rs was learned by BB'rs and those personally involved in the community. I can't even begin to tell you how dumb you sound. I challenege you to find even one class offering information on PED's, let alone insulin, for the purpose of performance enhancment. LOL.

I provided facts about how long insulin lasts in your body, facts straight from the manufacturer but I'm the idiot here.
LOL..we already know that info...we didn't need you to re-post something so basic. Based on the statements your making, I now realize you know so little, that it is like a 2nd grader arguing with a college mathematician.

i provided a real answer to a question based on facts.
You provideed a real answer? Wow! I am impressed! Just because you came here and told us 2+2 = 4, do you really think that merits recognition or should even be considered in this conversation? On top of that, you're are continually going off in left field. No one here CARES about the off-topic and BASIC facts you posted....this thread was posted for a particularpurpose. Again, you are like a 2nd grader sitting in on a college lecture, who then proceeds to argue with the professors, telling them they are leading people astray because they did not re-view the information they learned in high school. See, that's just it...we are so far beyond you that you don't realize we have NO NEED to argue information which we learned as novices...but thank you for you revelatory contributions.

What did you say again. and who is supposedly is making me look like a dumbass?
You are now mkaing yourself lo like a dumbass...and trust me...EVERYONE here knows it.

All i see is a me providing facts and one guy melting from being exposed as in guy who wont open his eyes and learn something. Keep up the awesome bro-science, 100s of people who cant research are depending on your wisdom


calm down, watch and learn

The Role of Insulin in the Human Body - YouTube

How Insulin Gets Glucose Into a Cell - YouTube

Kid, please take the time to realize how little you know. All these random, non-related links you're posting are making me laugh and again...you are WAY off topic.

 

[Standard Donkey]

IFBB pro can't tell you how your body will react. Anywho, glad it's all going to plan.

true.. fair enough, i suppose i jumped the gun. im glad things turned out alright

 

[Mike Arnold]

guys are pretty accurate but not completely


Insulin Spike and Bodybuilding - YouTube

Hilarious....read below.

Hhahahahahahah! You see that big guy standing there, with the small guy shaking his hand (the small guy is teaching us how to use insulin in the video)? Well get this. The little guy on the right (our right) is skaking the hand of top autralian BB'r Gary Wright. I bet you your ass this little guy worships Gary's nuts and would take his advice on insulin in a heart beat...but guess what...Gary is my client, who is preparing to win his pro card in 4 weeks...and guess where Gary gets his insulin programs? Tha't's right...yours truly! In fact, Gary's entire PED program and diet has been designed by me for the last 2 years.

LOL...it looks like your continuous posting of random links finally bit you in the ass.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Hilarious....read below.

Hhahahahahahah! You see that big guy standing there, with the small guy shaking his hand (the small guy is teaching us how to use insulin in the video)? Well get this. The little guy on the right (our right) is skaking the hand of top autralian BB'r Gary Wright. I bet you your ass this little guy worships Gary's nuts and would take his advice on insulin in a heart beat...but guess what...Gary is my client, who is preparing to win his pro card in 4 weeks...and guess where Gary gets his insulin programs? Tha't's right...yours truly! In fact, Gary's entire PED program and diet has been designed by me for the last 2 years.

LOL...it looks like your continuous posting of random links finally bit you in the ass.

thought that was flex lewis

 

[Mike Arnold]

thought that was flex lewis

LOLl...my bad...it may be...Gary looks almost exactly like him in that still frame. When I heard the accent, I assumed it was Gary...better delete that post ina huryy...LOL. Just kidding. Regardless, the point is still relevant, in that I have no doubt the little guy would take any piece of advice he gave him on insulin use, yet this same guy is teaching about how to use insulin on video (I didn't bother to listen to it, so I can't say if it is any good). Most of these pros have coaches, yet many people go to them for drugs advice all the time (some pros know much more than others). It is the same with Both Gary and Flex...both have coaches. Gary was recently ay an expo in Aus and on the cover of Muscle Mag (Ausy adition), so I thought it was him, incorrectly I might add. Thanks for pointing it out before I said anything else.

 

[Standard Donkey]

LOLl...my bad...it may be...Gary looks almost exactly like him in that still frame. When I heard the accent, I assumed it was Gary...better delete that post ina huryy...LOL. Just kidding. Regardless, the point is still relevant, in that I have no doubt the little guy would take any piece of advice he gave him on insulin use, yet this same guy is teaching about how to use insulin on video (I didn't bother to listen to it, so I can't say if it is any good). Most of these pros have coaches, yet many people go to them for drugs advice (some pros know much more than others). It is the same with Both Gary and Flex...both have coaches. gary was rcently ay an expo in Ais and on the cover of muscle mf (Ausy adition), so I thought it was him, incorrectly I might add.

they do look a lot alike




anyways, would testing my RGB levels be a good way to determine how long i can stay on slin before going desentized? naturally id like to stay on as long as i can, but im concerned about becoming resistant so i was planning on keeping it to 4 weeks on/4 weeks off

 

[pieguy]

I was like wtf... That's Flex Lewis /confused

And then i proceeded to google gary wright.

 

[Mike Arnold]

I was like wtf... That's Flex Lewis /confused

And then i proceeded to google gary wright.

Yeah, I am glad he pointed that out before I went any farther with it.

 

[Mike Arnold]

they do look a lot alike




anyways, would testing my RGB levels be a good way to determine how long i can stay on slin before going desentized? naturally id like to stay on as long as i can, but im concerned about becoming resistant so i was planning on keeping it to 4 weeks on/4 weeks off

If you're interested in being able to use insulin for as long as possible without damaging your insulin sensitivity, there are a few effective ways to do it. I don't have the time to go over it right now, but I will when I get back.

 

[Standard Donkey]

If you're interested in being able to use insulin for as long as possible without damaging your insulin sensitivity, there are a few effective ways to do it. I don't have the time to go over it right now, but I will when I get back.

yes! thank you sir!

 

[heckler7]

Hilarious....read below.

Hhahahahahahah! You see that big guy standing there, with the small guy shaking his hand (the small guy is teaching us how to use insulin in the video)? Well get this. The little guy on the right (our right) is skaking the hand of top autralian BB'r Gary Wright. I bet you your ass this little guy worships Gary's nuts and would take his advice on insulin in a heart beat...but guess what...Gary is my client, who is preparing to win his pro card in 4 weeks...and guess where Gary gets his insulin programs? Tha't's right...yours truly! In fact, Gary's entire PED program and diet has been designed by me for the last 2 years.

LOL...it looks like your continuous posting of random links finally bit you in the ass.

Mike, all the info you stated I dont have any real conflict with, its just that it goes against everything doctors and Endos teach me. Altho I'm aware they can be wrong about alot things, the one fact I hold true is you watch your glucose level closely and take insulin to according to the blood glucose levels. If you really got these guys above to this level then I'm open ears man, what am I doing wrong? I exercise first and within an hour after my body would go hypo if I dont eat. I do a scoop of whey with BCAAs and add a bannana and some strawberries to keep my blood sugar up..

 

[pieguy]

Mike, all the info you stated I dont have any real conflict with, its just that it goes against everything doctors and Endos teach me. Altho I'm aware they can be wrong about alot things, the one fact I hold true is you watch your glucose level closely and take insulin to according to the blood glucose levels. If you really got these guys above to this level then I'm open ears man, what am I doing wrong? I exercise first and within an hour after my body would go hypo if I dont eat. I do a scoop of whey with BCAAs and add a bannana and some strawberries to keep my blood sugar up..

This may sound crazy to you, but most people on bodybuilding boards have already accepted this. Doctors are wrong, or uninformed, or incompetent, or are excessively conservative to avoid getting their ass sued off. There is no fucking way my doctor would encourage my AAS use and just recently, she told me 50mcg a day of T3 is extremely dangerous. We all know it isn't, but she tried to scare me buy citing an example of a guy's heart stopping due to Grave's Disease.

So as you can see, stop treating it like everything your doctor says is completely correct and set in stone. If you're not intelligent enough to know how the chemicals you inject/ingest affect your body, maybe you shouldn't take them, or stop being a tool.

 

[heckler7]

This may sound crazy to you, but most people on bodybuilding boards have already accepted this. Doctors are wrong, or uninformed, or incompetent, or are excessively conservative to avoid getting their ass sued off. There is no fucking way my doctor would encourage my AAS use and just recently, she told me 50mcg a day of T3 is extremely dangerous. We all know it isn't, but she tried to scare me buy citing an example of a guy's heart stopping due to Grave's Disease.

So as you can see, stop treating it like everything your doctor says is completely correct and set in stone. If you're not intelligent enough to know how the chemicals you inject/ingest affect your body, maybe you shouldn't take them, or stop being a tool.

I would pay a million pesos to quit taking insulin, but I would die. I'll keep being a tool and take my prescibed meds.

 

[pieguy]

Yeah you're obviously not getting the point if that's what you inferred from my post. But whatever. Not going to waste more time trying to explain.

 

[theCaptn']

If you're interested in being able to use insulin for as long as possible without damaging your insulin sensitivity, there are a few effective ways to do it. I don't have the time to go over it right now, but I will when I get back.

I was looking at month on month off as well. Subbed for further education Mike

 

[Standard Donkey]

pinned 11iu's this morning before chest/shoulders/triceps



insane pumps, endurance, and good strength. pretty certain all the extra gear (over my cruise) has left my body now). still no symptoms of hypo at all... really liking this humalog

 

[heckler7]

If you're interested in being able to use insulin for as long as possible without damaging your insulin sensitivity, there are a few effective ways to do it. I don't have the time to go over it right now, but I will when I get back.

I was told by my doctors that using insulin past its expiration or if it was exposed to heat and sunlight which will make it ineffective will cause insulin resistance, my endo freaked out when I told her a bottle of lantus lasted me 3 months. Its good for a month once opened.

 

[Standard Donkey]

how long does humalog stay good for after it's opened if kept in the fridge and only taken out for like 10 seconds each use?

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Mike, all the info you stated I dont have any real conflict with, its just that it goes against everything doctors and Endos teach me. Altho I'm aware they can be wrong about alot things, the one fact I hold true is you watch your glucose level closely and take insulin to according to the blood glucose levels. If you really got these guys above to this level then I'm open ears man, what am I doing wrong? I exercise first and within an hour after my body would go hypo if I dont eat. I do a scoop of whey with BCAAs and add a bannana and some strawberries to keep my blood sugar up..

If you think doctors know anything about bodybuilding or health when it comes to PEDs, you are terribly mistaken. They know absolutely nothing and will make you think death is imminent.

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

how long does humalog stay good for after it's opened if kept in the fridge and only taken out for like 10 seconds each use?

about 6 months or so

 

[Standard Donkey]

If you think doctors know anything about bodybuilding or health when it comes to PEDs, you are terribly mistaken. They know absolutely nothing and will make you think death is imminent.

this is so true lol.. when i asked my doctor if she would be as concerned about an alcoholic chain-smoker she said "no not at all"


keep in mind they think we also reuse needles and share them

 

[The Prototype]

fair enough..

-as for diet and training.. ive hired shelby for the past 16 weeks, and also have him and john meadows for the next year (i have a 13 week transformation thread in open chat)

-and for doses... strictly hypothetical

-as for genetics, nothing bad runs in my family (on a gram of tren from mlg my bp is 115/70)


-no dairy, wheat, gluten, sugar, alcohol, fructose, anything "overly" processed in my diet (besides white rice i suppose)..


-diet is purely composed of chicken, VCO, beef liver, white rice, brewer's yeast (for B vitamins, e.g. folate, b6, and b12 to keep homocysteine down), and whey isolate

supplement with: fish oil, primrose oil, vit E, coq10, curcumin, NAC, magnesium, vitd3, vit C, liv52... every day


am going to start donating blood every 2 months (have been irresponsible here), as soon as my prep is over

also keeping my BF% down in the offseason to avoid the health issues that come with being overweight..

and for the record, no one ever provided evidence that cruising on 100mg tren E/week is a bad call... sooo..


and by "down the road", i meant 4+ years. If i cant run it without HGH/igf1, i dont want to run it at all (trying to avoid hgh, hear it can cause some bad stuff)

In this post you say 4+ years but later mention you are starting this week. Which is it?

 

[theCaptn']

In this post you say 4+ years but later mention you are starting this week. Which is it?

If you're following the thread you'd know he's already started.

Look, I want to keep this thread clean. Info and feedback for members interested in using insulin.

Take any bitching and shit slinging elsewhere please.

 

[Standard Donkey]

In this post you say 4+ years but later mention you are starting this week. Which is it?

i changed my mind


figured that would be obvious?

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

this is so true lol.. when i asked my doctor if she would be as concerned about an alcoholic chain-smoker she said "no not at all"


keep in mind they think we also reuse needles and share them

Truth. I had an absolutely horrible experience at the doctor before, and had to switch doctors to find one who won't judge and lecture. You can't lecture someone who knows 10000x more on the topic.

 

[The Prototype]

If you're following the thread you'd know he's already started.

Look, I want to keep this thread clean. Info and feedback for members interested in using insulin.

Take any bitching and shit slinging elsewhere please.

Understood. Just giving him a hard time. Good luck SD!

 

[theCaptn']

Truth. I had an absolutely horrible experience at the doctor before, and had to switch doctors to find one who won't judge and lecture. You can't lecture someone who knows 10000x more on the topic.

My doctor at least admitted he knows fk all, but he's happy to monitor my health without judging.

 

[dieseljimmy]

My doctor at least admitted he knows fk all, but he's happy to monitor my health without judging.

Same here...but my doctor is a hot mid thirties milf. She doesn't pretend to know and doesn't seem to care much. just makes sure my levels at on a scale she can relate to. I did bring up insulin to her once and she really didnt want to talk about it. These guys have to worry about getting sued and I can't blame them.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Same here...but my doctor is a hot mid thirties milf. She doesn't pretend to know and doesn't seem to care much. just makes sure my levels at on a scale she can relate to. I did bring up insulin to her once and she really didnt want to talk about it. These guys have to worry about getting sued and I can't blame them.

you use slin right bro? what are your thoughts?

 

[dieseljimmy]

you use slin right bro? what are your thoughts?

I use it alot like I use orals. Six weeks here and there just to stir things up a little. I had the biggest single instance of growth when I was using hgh, igf and insulin using the mutants protocol several years ago. Stacked with a healthy course of androgens I went from being a big guy at the gym to being the guy that not many people want to talk to anymore. (Other then the other big guys asking what I was doing) I recomped from 280 at 22 percent to 258 at 11 percent.(I'm tall though)
i have taken insulin alone and think it is the single most important part of the mutant protocol.
but the reality of life kind snuck up on me. I had a friend die, I had a very scary motorcycle incident. I had a kid. And I realized being a pro or even a remarkable amature bb'er was not a realistic thing. I dropped the higher risk activities and long term heavy insulin use was one of them. I still use it but not often with moderate doses and not for very long