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I'm pro-Union and stay away from Walmart, but...once again it's a contractor and not actually Walmart.
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And this is what happens when labor unions go away.
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I'm pro-Union and stay away from Walmart, but...once again it's a contractor and not actually Walmart.
it was ruled that it was permissible to name walmart as a defendant. "In January Judge Christina Snyder ruled that Walmart can be added as a defendant in the lawsuit to recover millions of dollars in stolen wages." they need to be responsible for who they hire. it's bullcrap to say we only hired the abusers. well tough, be more careful who you hire. on my days off if i leave my kids with a daycare worker that abuses them i'm responsible for not screening my help. esp if i'm overeager to hire whoever will work cheapest. the old we didn't know the factories weren't safe, we didn't know the workers weren't paid we didn't know my ass. it's their job to know. in my opinion.
"The wage theft ruling is a significant victory for Warehouse Workers United, which has led a movement to hold Wal-Mart responsible for warehouse working conditions under the company's subcontractors. Dozens, if not hundreds of workers from other Wal-Mart warehouse locations?including more facilities in California, stores in Seattle and Dallas, and another outside of Chicago?went on strike late last year to protest poor working conditions and retaliation against workers who complained about safety hazards."
"The wage theft ruling is a significant victory for Warehouse Workers United, which has led a movement to hold Wal-Mart responsible for warehouse working conditions under the company's subcontractors. Dozens, if not hundreds of workers from other Wal-Mart warehouse locations?including more facilities in California, stores in Seattle and Dallas, and another outside of Chicago?went on strike late last year to protest poor working conditions and retaliation against workers who complained about safety hazards."
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LAM, you are so fucking dumb it hurts my head.
First of all, Commiefornia is one of the most union-happy states in the country. This has nothing to do with laws limiting union power.
Second of all, if what happened was illegal, there is an enormous labyrinth of criminal prosecuting entities in this country, from the county police all the way up to the DOJ, that will handle it. We have a judicial system and enough labor laws to fill a school bus, literally.
Third of all, 93% of the private sector is non-unionized. What this means is that you can bargain for your salary and benefits and hours as an individual, using the value of your individual marketable skill. This is the condition for the overwhelming majority of American citizens. The fact that one dumb fuck high school drop out unloading trucks at WalMart got suckered doesn't mean that we all need a bunch of Chicago-type union thugs taking money out of our paychecks like an old fashion mafia shakedown in order to "protect us" from the evil corporations. If my employer pulls some shady shit, I take my value skill set elsewhere.
First of all, Commiefornia is one of the most union-happy states in the country. This has nothing to do with laws limiting union power.
Second of all, if what happened was illegal, there is an enormous labyrinth of criminal prosecuting entities in this country, from the county police all the way up to the DOJ, that will handle it. We have a judicial system and enough labor laws to fill a school bus, literally.
Third of all, 93% of the private sector is non-unionized. What this means is that you can bargain for your salary and benefits and hours as an individual, using the value of your individual marketable skill. This is the condition for the overwhelming majority of American citizens. The fact that one dumb fuck high school drop out unloading trucks at WalMart got suckered doesn't mean that we all need a bunch of Chicago-type union thugs taking money out of our paychecks like an old fashion mafia shakedown in order to "protect us" from the evil corporations. If my employer pulls some shady shit, I take my value skill set elsewhere.
Your ass still sore because your made up "facts" aren't facts?
My only reason for buying from Walmart is ammo. They are one of the few places not gouging.
nit picker.
your're the one who tries to keep getting up my ass. i already told you, that i'm happily married. leave me alone, homo.
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Yup. You're still all butt hurt. If you're nice to her maybe your wife will put some A&D ointment on your ass.
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* having a low labor union density does nothing expect push the wage ceiling down for all low-semi skilled workers. there has never been a time in US history when workers where paid well with out the protection of labor unions. once again those that speak out against unions if not part of the 1% are championing for policy that not decreases not only their own wages but those of their children when they eventually enter the US workforce.
I'm not calling anyone any names, that's not my MO. But getting rid of Unions is a real bad idea. While we're at it let's bring back slavery, you don't pay slaves a decent wage, treat them fair, give them any rights, that's all this is just under a different name.
that's why global wage history and all the empirical data backs my viewpoints and there is none to back those of the low wage anti-union conservatives. and if you actually knew anything about economics you would understand that there is no bargaining for wages when there is a extremely large reserve workforce (aka. high unemployment).
dumb...just look in the mirror because that's all you.
It's very disconcerting to see people arguing against Unions, when Unions were set up because workers only have skill and labor in which to bargain with. Unions rep their membership in negotiating higher wages, enhanced benefits, job security, and better working conditions, as well as trying to eliminate discrimination in the workplace. It's very, very difficult to take advantage of a union than it is for an individual worker, In unity there is strength. That's why unions are important.
And that is why the right wing is working soo hard to convince the rabble to do away with Unions!
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Oh shit, if I ever saw that, that baton would shoved so far up those guys asses it would break their jaw.
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I'm a union carpenter most of u are horribly wrong
Christ. You guys act like it 1965. And I just did a google search and with wages, bonuses, overtime, and paid time off the average auto union worker makes $40 and hr. which comes out to over 83,000. For HS graduate thats awesome. I can see why you don't want unions to go away. You make almost twice the national average of 42k and you live in rural or shit hole areas of the country.
and you compensated for the differences in the cost of living in the different areas of the country right, the North East, Mid-West, South, West, etc.? because making 80K in some metro areas in the US is equivalent to poverty wages.
Most of the problem at Hostess was management stopped putting a portion of employee wages into their pension and instead put that money elsewhere in the company. Part of the contract was to put part of the union wages into that pension fund.
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I'm not sure what your point is.
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Wow, this sounds really combative. It's not meant that way Zaphod.
Just adding to what you were saying about Hostess. Most people think Hostess went out of business because of the unions being greedy. The unions were standing up to management stealing money from the workers.
and it ended with all those people no longer having a job. So how effective was the union?
The workers should have let the company steal from them?
the question was how effective was the union. where was the union when the company was stealing from them? why didn't the union get their money back for them?
Yup, that's exactly what happened there. These guys are trying to twist the the narrative again.
November 16, 2012
What?s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what?s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor. Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price. These workers, who consistently make great products Americans love and have offered multiple concessions, want their company to succeed. They have bravely taken a stand against the corporate race-to-the-bottom. And now they and their communities are suffering the tragedy of a needless layoff. This is wrong. It has to stop. It?s wrecking America.
Statement by AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka on Hostess Brands Inc.
how exactly would any union protect workers then a company went bankrupt due to mismanagement? the last time I checked unions are not responsible for risk assessment and the day to day operations of a company and it's finances.
The union bargained for the workers and got the workers what they wanted. The union can't stop a company stealing from the workers and then going bankrupt.
they got what they wanted? . I didn't know workers wanted to be unemployed.
You really are that dense, aren't you? If your employer were stealing your money you would be okay with that so long as you had a job?
no. I agree. they wanted to quit. that's fine. their choice. they got what they wanted.
