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funny how Obama "lost" because he wasn't rude and pushy but was calmer and stuck to the facts and his real positions. even people saying he lost are still saying he had the truth on his side, that he didn't change positions, that he was consistent etc UNLIKE mr i'll say anything for a vote Romney. i'll take the quiet guy that doesn't need to "reboot" his campaign every few days. i could get up there and say yea i'm gonna do this and do that... anyone could. doesn't mean jack shit. fact checkers are already rippin Romney a new hole.
 
the only good thing about a Romney win will be when it's his turn to get kicked in the sac 4 years later. he's not the messiah. :coffee:

Trust me, nobody said he was the messiah.. Just the lesser of the two evils.


funny how Obama "lost" because he wasn't rude and pushy but was calmer and stuck to the facts and his
real[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif] positions. even people saying he lost are still saying he had the truth on his side, that he didn't change positions, that he was consistent etc UNLIKE mr i'll say anything for a vote Romney. i'll take the quiet guy that doesn't need to "reboot" his campaign every few days. i could get up there and say yea i'm gonna do this and do that... anyone could. doesn't mean jack shit. fact checkers are already rippin Romney a new hole.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Calmer? lol what about the shut the fuck and dont interrupt me for my 5 seconds, then speak for another minute bit he pulled.
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it did make me lol, so he gets my props in that respect.
 
Lets not forget BARRY told jim lear "LETS MOVE TO THE NEXT TOPIC" When I heard that I laughed with my wife so hard. Heres a president asking to move on because he couldnt take the heat.
 
IMO,

I watched the entire debate.

Not a "win" or a "loss" for either, but Romney gained some credibility, IMO.

Both candidates did the typical abstract and general dance around Medicare and other issues. Nothing unusual. Nothing really learned.

I suppose the only possible factor for these debates is to convince some of the true undecideds that are still in the fence in the battleground and toss-up states.

Both candidates stuck to the issues.

Here is the schedule for the 2 remaining Presidential debates and the VP debate:

October 3, 2012
Watch Full Debate Video
Topic: Domestic policy
Air Time: 9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern Time
Location: University of Denver in Denver, Colorado (Tickets)
Sponsor: Commission on Presidential Debates
Participants: President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney
Moderator: Jim Lehrer (Host of NewsHour on PBS)
The debate will focus on domestic policy and be divided into six time segments of approximately 15 minutes each on topics to be selected by the moderator and announced several weeks before the debate.

The moderator will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond. The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a discussion of the topic.

October 11, 2012
Vice Presidential
Topic: Foreign and domestic policy

Air Time: 9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern Time
Location: Centre College in Danville, Kentucky (Tickets)
Sponsor: Commission on Presidential Debates
Participants: Vice President Joe Biden and Congressman Paul Ryan
Moderator: Martha Raddatz (ABC News Chief Foreign Correspondent)
The debate will cover both foreign and domestic topics and be divided into nine time segments of approximately 10 minutes each. The moderator will ask an opening question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond. The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a discussion of the question.

October 16, 2012
Topic: Town meeting format including foreign and domestic policy

Air Time: 9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern Time
Location: Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York (Tickets)
Sponsor: Commission on Presidential Debates
Participants: President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney
Moderator: Candy Crowley (CNN Chief Political Correspondent)
The second presidential debate will take the form of a town meeting, in which citizens will ask questions of the candidates on foreign and domestic issues. Candidates each will have two minutes to respond, and an additional minute for the moderator to facilitate a discussion. The town meeting participants will be undecided voters selected by the Gallup Organization.

October 22, 2012
Topic: Foreign policy
Air Time: 9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern Time

Location: Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida (Tickets)
Sponsor: Commission on Presidential Debates
Participants: President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney
Moderator: Bob Schieffer (Host of Face the Nation on CBS)

2012 Presidential Debate Schedule ? 2012 Election Central
 
I agree that there have been some shitty economic policies over the last 30 years. Cutting taxes and deregulating recklessly, while increasing spending hasn't cut it. Just as increasing spending with more EPA regulation to hamstring energy production hasn't worked for this administration. But, that's not the plan Romney was outlining tonight.

Definitely a good night for Romney, certainly a great strategy. Funny how the plan he was outlining last night is 180 degrees from the plan he has outlined over the past 18 months. Very safe in terms of strategy too. If he can secure the presidency and the GOP maintains control of the house he can break every single one of the promises he made last night because they won't let him increase taxes or regulate anything, and Medicare and SS begin their decline. I almost hope people buy in to this because it is the fastest route to the bottom. At this point I'm just waiting for the revolution and the faster we get to the bottom the better. :)
 
While i don't think Romney is what's best for this country Obama sure as hell isn't what's good for this country and he's proven that yhe last 4 years. People have to be honest with themselves on this. Almost ALL the Obama supporters i know flipped on him a yr after he was elected because he didn't do anything he said he would (but that's a politician for you, right) and shits only gotten worse. My view at this time, until we get a REAL American running, is this: Obama had 4 yrs to try and fix things and made them worse, why not give someone else the opportunity? So Romney gets my vote here cause at this point I'd def rather have the devil I don't know over the devil I do. Not to mention Romney has said he will repeal Obamacare which as a college student makes me happy.
 
No reason to watch two liars go at it.
 
The debate was in true colors. You don't have news medias finding clips to make neither Romney or Obama look bad. You don't have the news spin on who is better just the facts from their mouths. One of the parts that I loved was when Romney called Obama out ?Mr. President, as a man who rides on the taxpayer funded Air Force One you have no right to judge private individuals using corporate jets,? Romney eventually said later in the debate ?Mr. President, you?re entitled to your own airplane and your own house, but not your own facts,? Then was flat out slammed him in the face with how Massachusetts is number 1 in education.


 
Quit being gay for giving me a negative rep for misspelling Jim Lehrer name dork.You knew who I meant
 
Fact check Barry had 4 more minutes in speaking the romney did
 
The government attempted to control the way of technology by giving all that money to all those solar and green energy companies that failed miserably. They gave money to tesla,I mean serious how is tesla going to help out economy and the poor "black" person. I think there cheapest car is 50k. So I may be wrong, but it sounds like Obama just gave money to companies that gave him money... So I mean I am probably way wrong in this but, let me get this straight... Tesla or who ever runs Telsa funds Obama's campaign or helps support it. Then in return Obama gives them Gov't money? So I ask this question now... I hear that Obama is supporting the middle class then why is he funding corporations that only cater or benefit the upper class?

Why did our boys and girls club get shut down because of funding, why is tuition at an all time high and out of state students pay a fortune, Obama has the "middle class" fooled thinking he is the answer when he is just taking every one to the bank. My dad once told me never trust a lawyer they are all crooks. I think he was right on that one...

What will be the next Romney rumor that he wants to outsource all the black people. lol
 
funny how Obama "lost" because he wasn't rude and pushy but was calmer and stuck to the facts and his real positions. even people saying he lost are still saying he had the truth on his side, that he didn't change positions, that he was consistent etc UNLIKE mr i'll say anything for a vote Romney. i'll take the quiet guy that doesn't need to "reboot" his campaign every few days. i could get up there and say yea i'm gonna do this and do that... anyone could. doesn't mean jack shit. fact checkers are already rippin Romney a new hole.

take your bamafilter off
 
funny how Obama "lost" because he wasn't rude and pushy but was calmer and stuck to the facts and his real positions. even people saying he lost are still saying he had the truth on his side, that he didn't change positions, that he was consistent etc UNLIKE mr i'll say anything for a vote Romney. i'll take the quiet guy that doesn't need to "reboot" his campaign every few days. i could get up there and say yea i'm gonna do this and do that... anyone could. doesn't mean jack shit. fact checkers are already rippin Romney a new hole.


Jesus Christ LW, have you not seen Obama's attack ads that he approves of? Give me a break.
 
The government attempted to control the way of technology by giving all that money to all those solar and green energy companies that failed miserably. They gave money to tesla,I mean serious how is tesla going to help out economy and the poor "black" person. I think there cheapest car is 50k. So I may be wrong, but it sounds like Obama just gave money to companies that gave him money... So I mean I am probably way wrong in this but, let me get this straight... Tesla or who ever runs Telsa funds Obama's campaign or helps support it. Then in return Obama gives them Gov't money? So I ask this question now... I hear that Obama is supporting the middle class then why is he funding corporations that only cater or benefit the upper class?

Why did our boys and girls club get shut down because of funding, why is tuition at an all time high and out of state students pay a fortune, Obama has the "middle class" fooled thinking he is the answer when he is just taking every one to the bank. My dad once told me never trust a lawyer they are all crooks. I think he was right on that one...

What will be the next Romney rumor that he wants to outsource all the black people. lol

wow...a whole 500 million while deregulation has transferred 1T a year annually from labor up to capital since the 80's. you don't know anything about economics in the US or globally you should not discuss this subject as your are decades behind.

the right loves to bring up the loans to Solyndra which were started under GWB but never talk about the 2B in subsidy that China gave to it's solar manufactures which put dozens of green company's in the OECD out of business...

cause & effect try to learn it as it has a "slight effect" on how capitalism works in reality.
 
Technically, companies can claim a deduction for the costs associated with moving jobs overseas.

However, the deduction is not a special loophole afforded only to companies moving work out of America, as the president sometimes makes it sound. Rather, the deduction is written into the tax code pertaining to any cost companies face in the course of doing business.
That means a company can claim the deduction whether it's moving operations to Bangalore or Boston, to Kuala Lumpur or Kansas City.
"Any cost of doing business is deductible," said Doug Holtz-Eakin, former director of the Congressional Budget Office who advised Republican Sen. John McCain in the 2008 presidential race. "There's no special (incentive to move jobs overseas)."
What Democrats want to do is end the deduction for firms moving overseas, in order to create a disincentive to offshore. What they say, though, makes it sound like the tax code is currently luring companies out of the U.S.

"But I also want to close those loopholes that are giving incentives for companies that are shipping jobs overseas. I want to provide tax breaks for companies that are investing here in the United States," Obama said Wednesday.

He went on to say: "Right now, you can actually take a deduction for moving a plant overseas. I think most Americans would say that doesn't make sense. And all that raises revenue."
Closing the tax break just for those moving operations overseas does not necessarily mean a windfall of revenue. The Joint Committee on Taxation estimated doing so would bring in $168 million over the next decade.
Romney countered at the debate that he wasn't familiar with the deduction.
"Look, I've been in business for 25 years. I have no idea what you're talking about. I maybe need to get a new accountant," Romney said. "But the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case."
Democrats have pushed legislation that would deny any tax deduction for opening up shop overseas at the expense of jobs in the U.S.

They have also pushed to eliminate the ability of companies to defer taxes on income earned overseas.

Holtz-Eakin said that's another piece of the tax code that Obama could have been referencing. Currently, U.S. companies operating overseas are supposed to pay both U.S. taxes and the taxes of the country they're operating in. To lessen the burden, U.S. tax code allows companies to defer the U.S. chunk of that until the money is brought back into America.



anyone old enough to remember when companies started this trend of moving factories overseas knows damned well it was because they didn't want to comply with guideline they had to here as far as pollution etc. i say they should take this further and make it so plants overseas have to pay workers the same wages as they would here and operate under the exact same guidelines as they would here. make it so there in no benefit at all to offshoring. i would make it so factory owners would be prosecuted here for treating workers like slaves and ignoring safety or any other regulations that stand in place here. we can't afford not to offshore is bullshit. moving out of the country to shirk our laws is detestable.
 
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how did Obama no lose when even the democrats were disappointed and admitted defeat.

i said Romney did very well. but it is true that he got up there and did a 180 on many of the positions he has taken... to many people that's not a winner just a desperate man making a fool of himself. he got up there and shook his fucking etch a sketch... AGAIN.
 
[h=2]Top Romney Adviser Admits Romney LIED in Debate Tonight[/h]



For all Dkos readers who haven't seen the Talking Points Memo article where Romney's Top Adviser, Eric Ferhnstrom, admit Romney lied tonight during the debate -- I wanted to share it with you.
Pressed by TPM?s Evan McMorris-Santoro, Fehrnstrom said those who currently lack coverage because they have pre-existing conditions would need their states to implement their own laws ? like Romney?s own Massachusetts health care law ? that ban insurance company from discriminating against sick people. ?We?d like to see states do what Massachusetts did,? Fehrnstrom said. ?In Massachusetts we have a ban on pre-existing conditions.?
TPM wrote:
After the first presidential debate at the University of Denver in Colorado on Wednesday night, one of Mitt Romney?s top advisers acknowledged that, as a result Romney?s plan to repeal Obamacare, people with pre-existing medical conditions would likely be unable to purchase insurance.
Eric Ferhnstrom is Romney adviser who told us Mitt would Etch-A-Sketch his way to the White House. Romney is a pathological liar ---
 
ever hear the expression give someone enough rope and they will hang themselves? :coffee:
 
even the Obama camp says Romney gave a great performance. he did.

too bad it was a bunch of fiction :coffee:
 
"Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan." In the biggest whopper of the night, Romney suggested that his health care proposal would guarantee coverage to Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is just not true. Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn't afford the premiums, you would be shit out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney's top adviser conceded after the debate was over.

Read more: The First Debate: Mitt Romney's Five Biggest Lies | Politics News | Rolling Stone

if you call this horseshit winning you need your head examined. final analysis = good delivery of a lot of bald-faced lies.
 
The debates are about one thing, and it's not about policies, or facts. Both sides openly told lies. to immediately start defending your guy because the other guy "told lies" shows a level of desperation, and a lack of ability to think independently and rationally. Both sides spoke about policies in these grandiose, ethereal ways, as if they could change the economy while the other guys plan would crush it without any real evidence to back it up. Like Romney pointed out, for every study obama cited there is another contradicting study. the studies, and science of economics are very flawed. It's hard to call economics a science anymore as it is simply too closely tied to politics which is anything but a science. The debates are a dog show. It's all about presence, and appearance. Can you use the time allotted to you in order to strike a cord with the voters? Do you become real, or human in a way?

In this regards Obama got his ass handed to him. He looked like a complete fool, and Romney looked very presidential. The truth is it matters for naught. Obama should be called Teflon because it's not going to change a damn thing. The people will never vote in a Mormon president. I've said that for years now, even if I do believe that Romney is way the fuck better for the United States than another four years of Obama.

The biggest problem as I see it is Obama gets to appoint another supreme court justice in the next 4 years which will have the biggest and most lasting impact on our country for years and years to come. I like President Bush's Supreme court appointees way the fuck better than I like Obama's so my vote will go to Romney. But I recognize my vote counts for jack shit. I live in a state where my vote won't impact anything. Utah was decided for Romney a long, long time ago, in a galaxy far far away.
 


WASHINGTON ? President Barack Obama and Republican rival Mitt Romney spun one-sided stories in their first presidential debate, not necessarily bogus, but not the whole truth.
They made some flat-out flubs, too. The rise in health insurance premiums has not been the slowest in 50 years, as Obama stated. Far from it. And there are not 23 million unemployed, as Romney asserted.
Here's a look at some of their claims and how they stack up with the facts:
OBAMA: "I've proposed a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. ... The way we do it is $2.50 for every cut, we ask for $1 in additional revenue."
THE FACTS: In promising $4 trillion, Obama is already banking more than $2 trillion from legislation enacted along with Republicans last year that cut agency operating budgets and capped them for 10 years. He also claims more than $800 billion in war savings that would occur anyway. And he uses creative bookkeeping to hide spending on Medicare reimbursements to doctors. Take those "cuts" away and Obama's $2.50/$1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases shifts significantly more in the direction of tax increases.
Obama's February budget offered proposals that would cut deficits over the coming decade by $2 trillion instead of $4 trillion. Of that deficit reduction, tax increases accounted for $1.6 trillion. He promises relatively small spending cuts of $597 billion from big federal benefit programs like Medicare and Medicaid. He also proposed higher spending on infrastructure projects.
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ROMNEY: Obama's health care plan "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don't like that idea."
THE FACTS: Romney is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act. But Obama's health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. So the board doesn't have the power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe.
Romney seems to be resurrecting the assertion that Obama's law would lead to rationing, made famous by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's widely debunked allegation that it would create "death panels."
The board has yet to be named, and its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.
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OBAMA: "Over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up ? it's true ? but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years. So we're already beginning to see progress. In the meantime, folks out there with insurance, you're already getting a rebate."
THE FACTS: Not so, concerning premiums. Obama is mixing overall health care spending, which has been growing at historically low levels, and health insurance premiums, which have continued to rise faster than wages and overall economic growth. Premiums for job-based family coverage have risen by nearly $2,400 since 2009 when Obama took office, according to the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. In 2011, premiums jumped by 9 percent. This year's 4 percent increase was more manageable, but the price tag for family coverage stands at $15,745, with employees paying more than $4,300 of that.
When it comes to insurance rebates under Obama's health care law, less than 10 percent of people with private health insurance are benefiting.
More than 160 million Americans under 65 have private insurance through their jobs and by buying their own policies. According to the administration, about 13 million people will benefit from rebates. And nearly two-thirds of that number will only be entitled to a share of it, since they are covered under job-based plans where their employer pays most of the premium and will get most of the rebate.
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ROMNEY on the failure of Obama's economic policy: "And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we've gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can't find work."
THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.
He got the figure closer to right earlier in the debate, leaving out only the part-timers when he said the U.S. has "23 million people out of work or stopped looking for work." But he was wrong in asserting that Obama came into office "facing 23 million people out of work." At the start of Obama's presidency, 12 million were out of work.
His claim that half of college graduates can't find work now also was problematic. A Northeastern University analysis for The Associated Press found that a one-fourth of recent graduates were probably unemployed and another quarter were underemployed, which means working in jobs that didn't make full use of their skills or experience.
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OBAMA: It's important "that we take some of the money that we're saving as we wind down two wars to rebuild America."
THE FACTS: This oft-repeated claim is based on a fiscal fiction. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were paid for mostly with borrowed money, so stopping them doesn't create a new pool of available cash that can be used for something else, like rebuilding America. It just slows down the government's borrowing.
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ROMNEY: "At the same time, gasoline prices have doubled under the president. Electric rates are up."
THE FACTS: He's right that the average price has doubled, and a little more, since Obama was sworn in. But presidents have almost no influence on gasoline prices, and certainly not in the near term. Gasoline prices are set on financial exchanges around the world and are based on a host of factors, most importantly the price of crude oil used to make gasoline, the amount of finished gasoline ready to be shipped and the capacity of refiners to make enough to meet market demand.
Retail electricity prices have risen since Obama took office ? barely. They've grown by an average of less than 1 percent per year, less than the rate of inflation and slower than the historical growth in electricity prices. The unexpectedly modest rise in electricity prices is because of the plummeting cost of natural gas, which is used to generate electricity.
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OBAMA: "Gov. Romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut ? on top of the extension of the Bush tax cuts, that's another trillion dollars ? and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. That's $8 trillion. How we pay for that, reduce the deficit, and make the investments that we need to make, without dumping those costs onto middle-class Americans, I think is one of the central questions of this campaign."
THE FACTS: Obama's claim that Romney wants to cut taxes by $5 trillion doesn't add up. Presumably, Obama was talking about the effect of Romney's tax plan over 10 years, which is common in Washington. But Obama's math doesn't take into account Romney's entire plan.
Romney proposes to reduce income tax rates by 20 percent and eliminate the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax. The Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group, says that would reduce federal tax revenues by $465 billion in 2015, which would add up to about $5 trillion over 10 years.
However, Romney says he wants to pay for the tax cuts by reducing or eliminating tax credits, deductions and exemptions. The goal is a simpler tax code that raises the same amount of money as the current system but does it in a more efficient manner.
The knock on Romney's plan, which Obama accurately cited, is that Romney has refused to say which tax breaks he would eliminate to pay for the lower rates.
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ROMNEY: "What would I cut from spending? Well, first of all, I will eliminate all programs by this test, if they pass it: Is the program so critical it's worth borrowing money from China to pay for it?"
THE FACTS: China continues to be portrayed by Romney and many other Republicans as the poster child for runaway federal deficits. It's true that China is the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt, but it only represents about an 8 percent stake. And China has recently been decreasing its holdings, according to the Treasury Department. Some two-thirds of the $16 trillion national debt is owed to the federal government, with the largest single stake the Federal Reserve, as well as American investors and the Social Security Trust Fund.
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OBAMA: "Independent studies looking at this said the only way to meet Gov. Romney's pledge of not ... adding to the deficit is by burdening middle-class families. The average middle-class family with children would pay about $2,000 more."
THE FACTS: That's just one scenario. Obama's claim relies on a study by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group. The study, however, is more nuanced than Obama indicated.
The study concludes it would be impossible for Romney to meet all of his stated goals without shifting some of the tax burden from people who make more than $200,000 to people who make less.
In one scenario, the study says, Romney's proposal could result in a $2,000 tax increase for families who make less than $200,000 and have children.
Romney says his plan wouldn't raise taxes on anyone, and his campaign points to several studies by conservative think tanks that dispute the Tax Policy Center's findings. Most of the conservative studies argue that Romney's tax plan would stimulate economic growth, generating additional tax revenue without shifting any of the tax burden to the middle class. Congress, however, doesn't use those kinds of projections when it estimates the effect of tax legislation.
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ROMNEY: "Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year."
THE FACTS: Romney is making selective use of the Congressional Budget Office's March findings on how employers might adjust to the new health law. The neutral Washington scorekeeper actually gave Congress four scenarios ? ranging from a net increase in employer-provided coverage for 3 million people to the decrease of 20 million that Romney cited.
Here's why: The law offers tax incentives for companies with more than 50 workers that provide coverage and penalties for those that don't. The analysis says it's difficult to say how companies will behave, with some making a purely economic calculation and others concluding that continuing coverage may be essential to pleasing workers in a competitive environment. "As a result, any projections of those effects are clearly quite uncertain," the study's authors concluded.
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ROMNEY on cutting the deficit: "Obamacare's on my list. ... I'm going to stop the subsidy to PBS. ... I'll make government more efficient."
THE FACTS: Romney has promised to balance the budget in eight years to 10 years, but he hasn't offered a complete plan. Instead, he's promised a set of principles, some of which ? like increasing Pentagon spending and restoring more than $700 billion in cuts that Democrats made in Medicare over the coming decade ? work against his goal. He also has said he will not consider tax increases.
He pledges to shrink the government to 20 percent of the size of the economy, as opposed to more than 23 percent of gross domestic product now, by the end of his first term. The Romney campaign estimates that would require cuts of $500 billion from the 2016 budget alone. He also has pledged to cut tax rates by 20 percent, paying for them by eliminating tax breaks for the wealthiest and through economic growth.
To fulfill his promise, then, Romney would require cuts to other programs so deep ? under one calculation requiring cutting many areas of the domestic budget by one-third within four years ? that they could never get through Congress. Cuts to domestic agencies would have to be particularly deep.
But he's offered only a few modest examples of government programs he'd be willing to squeeze, like subsidies to PBS and Amtrak. He does want to repeal Obama's big health care law, but that law is actually forecast to reduce the deficit.
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ROMNEY: "Simpson-Bowles, the president should have grabbed that."
OBAMA: "That's what we've done, made some adjustments to it, and we're putting it before Congress right now, a $4 trillion plan."
THE FACTS: At first, the president did largely ignore the recommendations made by his deficit commission headed by Democrat Erskine Bowles and Republican Alan Simpson. He later incorporated some of the proposals, largely the less controversial ones. He did not endorse some of the politically troublesome recommendations, such as trimming popular tax deductions like the one for home mortgage interest.
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