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w8lifter
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Here we go 
Oh boy i think i started something here.
No i have not tried a ketone diet, but yes i have read about them. Sorry i have no text book reasons why i dont like the idea of the diet. W8 seems to be able to communicate better with people than you, all you do is act like a moron. Thanks W8. TCD, eat my a$$.
No i have not tried a ketone diet, but yes i have read about them. Sorry i have no text book reasons why i dont like the idea of the diet. W8 seems to be able to communicate better with people than you, all you do is act like a moron. Thanks W8. TCD, eat my a$$.
That was rather polite of you.
Let me get some things straight. You said that you blow up like a balloon afterwards and during you have no energy, and yet you yourself have never tried the diet. You also have no real reasons why you don't like the diet and yet you can say that they're unhealthy.
Well that says it all really...
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TCD, be a "gentlechicken" and explain it for everyone!
But not CKDs.....let's hear about strict KDs!
DP
But not CKDs.....let's hear about strict KDs!
DP
I know many people that have tried the diet before and have not liked it. Dude you need to chill really! What does it matter if little old infoless me says that i dont like the diet? I would much rather listen to someone that has diets that are alot more balanced and they have a body to prove that their diet works. BTW, you have some issues hey! Notice that that wasnt a question, rather a statement. I have noticed that all your posts are quite negative and i think that i have commented on this before (geuss my point is proven). This is a forum for teaching people their views not bitching at them, so you may want to readjust your teaching approach.
Well i could talk about KD's, but what is the point? As weightlifters/bodybuilders/fitness enthusiasts, KD's have no place.
Not cause of health warnings, but cause of zero/little carbs having a more negative effect on in-gym performance. And the inevitable downregulation of the thyroid.
I don't know of anyone (personally or through the grape vine) who bodybuilds and follws a total KD.
Ketosis diets were/are used frequently for epileptic children. it keeps their seizsures to a minimum - a lot of the time even preventing them totally.
Long term health effects aren't known, but i'm talking long term as in several years. There are studies (or is it just one study?) done on the kids that lasted up to a year. Yes, that's in total ketosis (deep ketosis too, not just 'trace' ketones in urince like standard TKD's and CKD's require) for a whole year. And they suffered no ill-favoured effects.
I asked because i'd much like to hear the potential health risks associated (in a causal effect) with ketosis that LAm and J'bo speak of.
Not cause of health warnings, but cause of zero/little carbs having a more negative effect on in-gym performance. And the inevitable downregulation of the thyroid.
I don't know of anyone (personally or through the grape vine) who bodybuilds and follws a total KD.
Ketosis diets were/are used frequently for epileptic children. it keeps their seizsures to a minimum - a lot of the time even preventing them totally.
Long term health effects aren't known, but i'm talking long term as in several years. There are studies (or is it just one study?) done on the kids that lasted up to a year. Yes, that's in total ketosis (deep ketosis too, not just 'trace' ketones in urince like standard TKD's and CKD's require) for a whole year. And they suffered no ill-favoured effects.
I asked because i'd much like to hear the potential health risks associated (in a causal effect) with ketosis that LAm and J'bo speak of.
And that makes it unhealthy?!
because you may be giving others the wrong impression.
Well everyone is different and can be effected in different ways. Just because it wasn't effective for one person doesn't instantly make it ineffective for someone else.
And so should you. Espousing information as truth that may not be correct.
That is true, i should not judge unless i try something for myself.
See what kind of good info comes out when you chill out.
Plus i dont have the dissapline to evr try the thing, so i wont ever know what KD's are like. The only KD i know about is the one in the blue box. Hehehee.
See what kind of good info comes out when you chill out.
Plus i dont have the dissapline to evr try the thing, so i wont ever know what KD's are like. The only KD i know about is the one in the blue box. Hehehee.
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Well said TCD, but you just reinforced J'bo's points, although more loquatiously, it was very similar to what she was saying!
There is another "study" N=1, were a doctor comsumed nothing but meat for a year to prove to his collegues that there were no ill effects!
OK, let's rule out strict KDs, would you like to now elaborate on CKDs....ala Duchaine and McDonald????
DP
There is another "study" N=1, were a doctor comsumed nothing but meat for a year to prove to his collegues that there were no ill effects!
OK, let's rule out strict KDs, would you like to now elaborate on CKDs....ala Duchaine and McDonald????
DP
Just quick: my stance on ketos.
a) I'm not saying it's the only diet around to drop fat.
b) I'm not saying it's the best diet around to drop fat.
c) I'm not saying it's the first diet i'd recommend.
d) I'm not saying it's not the first diet I'd recommend.
e) This could get confusing if i continue.
The moral of the story is....
a) I'm not saying it's the only diet around to drop fat.
b) I'm not saying it's the best diet around to drop fat.
c) I'm not saying it's the first diet i'd recommend.
d) I'm not saying it's not the first diet I'd recommend.
e) This could get confusing if i continue.
The moral of the story is....
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J'Bo,
Don't even PM me or post again until you
CLEAN OUT YOUR BOX!
Please! (I've lost one response and have a window w8ing for you)
DP
Don't even PM me or post again until you
CLEAN OUT YOUR BOX!
Please! (I've lost one response and have a window w8ing for you)
DP
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Nobody said you were!
I'm just using you to your best potential!
DP
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Partially her point....btw...you don't want to argue w/me!
I know, I know....you aren't arguing!
DP
Yeah. When i was refering to ketos this is more what i was refering to.
CKD's you're in ketosis for 5 days max. Usually only 3-4 though cause it takes a bit of time to get into ketosis after the weekend carb up.
so for 5 days you're in ketosis. What potential ill-health effects are to be had from this?
As with all calorie restricted diets the thyroid downregulates at least partially, which is why dan advocated a higher calorie week after 4 weeks. Although the weekend carb up can reduce the amount of downregulation.
Also, most only do keto diets for a few weeks anyway. If i was to recommend one, it'd be for 4 week max. At the end of a cutting phase probably.
What bad health effects do you associate with ketos then, DP?
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None TCD.....I just...like you...wouldn't recommend this as the "only" or even "first" WTG!
I personally knew Dan, and had modified his program when I have advised it.....I prefer ZIG-ZAG programs!
FYI, for those reading this, Dan Duchaines views are mainly stated in Body Opus, although he modified his programs and supplementation subsequently! Lyle McDonald has an excellent 3 part expose available on CKDs with a small search!
DP
I personally knew Dan, and had modified his program when I have advised it.....I prefer ZIG-ZAG programs!
FYI, for those reading this, Dan Duchaines views are mainly stated in Body Opus, although he modified his programs and supplementation subsequently! Lyle McDonald has an excellent 3 part expose available on CKDs with a small search!
DP
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There is a box in the right hand corner that says "inbox" that box scrolls....go to sent messages and delete all or what you select!
DP
That really is quite cool.
Ask and yee shall recieve:
http://www.solid.net/lowcarb/lylemcd/
P.s. Why did you want me to elaborate on CKD's when you knew dan yourself?!
w8lifter
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So you could learn something.
And so the rest of us could learn something.
Training God
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*** I'd be interested in a explanation why this method is so unhealthy.
Training God
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Bump for LAM.
Well, from my perspective, I've known a few people that have experienced shall we say "poor lipid profiles" from ketogenic diets (even CKD's). But as far as any effect from the ketones themselves, I don't think they're inherently dangerous, especially not on a CKD.
However, having the cholesterol of a 55 year old overweight alcoholic isn't something to shoot for either, especially not over the long term.
However, having the cholesterol of a 55 year old overweight alcoholic isn't something to shoot for either, especially not over the long term.
when used "properly" for short periods no problem...long term effects, one simple word...diabetic ketoacidosis
