cycle question

[graniteman]

I'm 250 , 5'11 around 15% bf or a little more about 2 years training.
I want to run test e and eq for a 10 week cycle and wanted to know if I should or could add in winny? I am somewhat unaware if they are at all synergistic together or the timeframe to add it. This is what I was thinking.

Test e - 500 mg 1-10
Eq - 400 1-10
Winny 50 ed - 1-5
Hcg 300 iu every third day 1-10
25 mgs AROMASIN ed 1-10

I also was need to know what pct would be best. I've done a few half ass cycles before but I lost my gains due to improper pct. I wanted to mainly cut with this cycle. I also didn't know if a certain rep range would work better with these or if it didn't matter.

 

[Jb1988]

Clomid, ai, hcg

 

[VictorZ06]

EQ is a waste at 400mg EW, it's also a waste to run it for only 10 weeks. If you are going to run EQ, you should stretch your cycle out to AT LEAST 16 weeks. Personally, I need at least 700mg to notice anything off of EQ. I use a full gram EW. EQ takes a very long time to kick in bro. Doubt you will need 25mg of aromasin, I'd start with 12.5 and go from there.

PCT:
Clomid: 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5


Good luck.



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[Vibrant]

EQ is a waste at 400mg EW, it's also a waste to run it for only 10 weeks. If you are going to run EQ, you should stretch your cycle out to AT LEAST 16 weeks. Personally, I need at least 700mg to notice anything off of EQ. I use a full gram EW. EQ takes a very long time to kick in bro. Doubt you will need 25mg of aromasin, I'd start with 12.5 and go from there.

PCT:
Clomid: 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5


Good luck.



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I'll second what victor said. I'm on 700mg of eq and I'm not too impressed. I'm gonna go to a gram to see if I'll like it at that dose.

 

[VictorZ06]

I'll second what victor said. I'm on 700mg of eq and I'm not too impressed. I'm gonna go to a gram to see if I'll like it at that dose.

You'll like it all right! And you will notice a difference. How far in are ya?



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[graniteman]

I was gonna do 25 mgs AROMASIN because its liquid and most of the liquids seem underdosed. What would be a good replacement for eq then because I don't want to run a 16 week cycle.

 

[rangermike]

I was gonna do 25 mgs AROMASIN because its liquid and most of the liquids seem underdosed. What would be a good replacement for eq then because I don't want to run a 16 week cycle.

Victor was dead on.

EQ is great when run for 15 -16 weeks. I'm currently in week 8 running it with Enanthate and VAR.....adding winstrol to the last 5 weeks.

If you are looking for lean gains, I would recommend 15 - 16 weeks rather than changing compounds.

12.5 mgs of Aromasin is fine...even in liquid. Start low and up it if needed.

 

[D-Lats]

I was gonna do 25 mgs AROMASIN because its liquid and most of the liquids seem underdosed. What would be a good replacement for eq then because I don't want to run a 16 week cycle.

Try npp if you want to shorten the cycle. It's basically a fast acting form of deca. Or just run deca 3-400 mg a week for ten weeks and run your test for 12 weeks. Npp is killer tho it needs to be injected eod.

 

[swollen]

I like what 'D' suggest'd, npp would be a good replacement.

 

[graniteman]

Run npp at how much eod 75 mgs? I would rather run deca but i thought you had to run that for a ling time like eq.
I want to say this is by far the best f'in forum I've been on I get great fast helpful responses. Thanks guys!

 

[D-Lats]

Deca is very effective in a ten week cycle. Npp is 100mg eod and starts working in a week deca takes a couple weeks to get going but once it does you can't beat it for great lbm gains. Npp causes less bloat but if your bulking who care lol!

 

[Vibrant]

You'll like it all right! And you will notice a difference. How far in are ya?



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I started week 15 yesterday.

Edit*

I wanted to add that in my previous post I said I wasn't impressed but I think I worded it wrong. I'm more surprised at how mild eq is. I pretty much dont have any sides right now. Even my bp is only 130/90 and that's when I think I trained too hard because the only time I measure is when I get a headache.

 

[l69lou]

Try npp if you want to shorten the cycle. It's basically a fast acting form of deca. Or just run deca 3-400 mg a week for ten weeks and run your test for 12 weeks. Npp is killer tho it needs to be injected eod.

i recently tried npp and loved it. you can feel it kick in real fast and also gave me a real nice feeling of well being. seemed to get my appetite going as well. 100mg/eod.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

NPP For The Win !

 

[SloppyJ]

EQ wasn't good until I bumped it up to 900mg/wk. Not sure if it's worth it. It's a LOT of oil to have to take and for a long time.

 

[.V.]

To me, Eq at 600/week is fine. For 16 weeks. Any less, don't get maximum benefit from it...any longer (like 20 weeks which I love)...and the last 4 weeks no more gains. More RBC's and endurance though...but since I'm now required to be a frequent blood donator from having the very maximum of normal RBC's H&H, and Iron that is normal... I really can't do Eq any longer. Of course any AAS will do that...but Eq and deca (not at the same time) seems to do it even more than the others.

 

[VictorZ06]

EQ wasn't good until I bumped it up to 900mg/wk. Not sure if it's worth it. It's a LOT of oil to have to take and for a long time.

Some labs can make it at 500mg/ml, and it doesn't kill ya. As for the NPP suggestion, sure...that would work fine. He's gonna have to pin EOD, so if he's going to take that path, I would switch tests from enan to prop. IMHO!



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[graniteman]

Some labs can make it at 500mg/ml, and it doesn't kill ya. As for the NPP suggestion, sure...that would work fine. He's gonna have to pin EOD, so if he's going to take that path, I would switch tests from enan to prop. IMHO!



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I like that idea so I'll switch to test prop 100mg/ eod with 100mg npp eod. Go ten weeks only running winny for the first five. Same pct?

 

[VictorZ06]

I like that idea so I'll switch to test prop 100mg/ eod with 100mg npp eod. Go ten weeks only running winny for the first five. Same pct?

I'd personally run the winny during the tail end, it will help harden up your gains. Besides, winny can hinder your gains because it can inflict some rather nasty pain on your joints....limiting your workout program. I'm not a winny fan at all...if I was you, I'd consider something like var or tbol instead. IMHO.

And yes, same PCT I suggested above. You will be able to start PCT sooner if you use prop instead of enan as it has a shorter life.



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[Vibrant]

Some labs can make it at 500mg/ml, and it doesn't kill ya. As for the NPP suggestion, sure...that would work fine. He's gonna have to pin EOD, so if he's going to take that path, I would switch tests from enan to prop. IMHO!



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Eq at 500mg/ml sounds awesome I'm already pinning more than 3mls into my quads.....

 

[Dr. Tox]

I've been at 900 mg of EQ for the last 8 weeks or so. Results are mild but it is keeping me lean. Taking that with 750 mg test e and test prop blend and 1 mg Arimidex ED.
I like the idea of the winny in the tail of the cycle.
What kind of winny are you opting for - oral or Inj?

 

[graniteman]

I've been at 900 mg of EQ for the last 8 weeks or so. Results are mild but it is keeping me lean. Taking that with 750 mg test e and test prop blend and 1 mg Arimidex ED.
I like the idea of the winny in the tail of the cycle.
What kind of winny are you opting for - oral or Inj?

I was thinking about using oral winny because i read that liquid from ugl's is hard to make sterile, I'm not trying to get an infection. I didn't realize there would be joint pain from it though, I already have pain in my elbows sometimes so I might switch. I'm gonna research tbol and var for now.

 

[graniteman]

Yeah I definitely want to go with anavar, can I run that 10 weeks? I was thinking 50 mgs a day.

 

[VictorZ06]

I was thinking about using oral winny because i read that liquid from ugl's is hard to make sterile, I'm not trying to get an infection. I didn't realize there would be joint pain from it though, I already have pain in my elbows sometimes so I might switch. I'm gonna research tbol and var for now.

Keep in mind, you can get both water and oil based winny. Oil will be much safer. Tbol is....ok, var rocks...but it stings the wallet.



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[VictorZ06]

Yeah I definitely want to go with anavar, can I run that 10 weeks? I was thinking 50 mgs a day.

I'd personally aim for 75-100mgs a day and possibly stretch it out longer. IMHO.



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[graniteman]

I read about var and I definitely am getting that, and 12 weeks of test prop and npp so it'll be a simple but effective cycle. At least from what all my research tells me and all you guys.
So it'll be

Hcg 300mgs twice weekly
Aromasin 25mgs ed
Test prop 100mgs eod
Npp 100mgs eod
Anavar 100mgs ed

Pct
25mgs Aromasin ed (3 weeks)
1000mgs Hcg eod (3 weeks)
Clomid 100/75/50 (week-1/2/3)

Thank you everyone for all the help!!!

 

[VictorZ06]

12.5 mgs of Aromasin is fine...even in liquid. Start low and up it if needed.

Agreed. No need to start with 25....that's too much, IMHO.


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[graniteman]

Vic you're the shiz gimme some of your massive rep player.