Doggcrapp Training

[The13ig13adWolf]

this is a training forum right?

not quite sure anymore...

 

[Dale Mabry]

I and 13ig13ad know every IP address in this thread.

 

[fireinthehole]

I've earned the right to reply...

So, after reading all 23 pages and 400 plus replies, I must say that this is all just an argument of a combination of small dick syndrome, and analysis paralysis.

Let's face it, most of the people on this board are not newbies into the training forum, but many of us including me are always interested in learning about the newest techniques, and even the older techniques to see how we can incorporate them into our workouts.

You can't tell it often times by the grammar and the teenager arguments on this forum, but all of us here are here because WE WANT TO LEARN!!!! There is no perfect answer to training, because eveyone's body is different, and we all have our strengths and weaknesses.

With that being said, can someone just spell it out with me some of the highlights and lowlights of DC training versus/compared/similarities to Iron Man's?

I really don't know much about either, and would like to see if it makes sense to do more investingating etc! Whew, finally a reply!

 

[Dale Mabry]

I would like to tell you, but I don't read fad programs, so I know nothing about them. Just know the forms of peridiozation and their pros and cons, the appropriate rep ranges and how to construct a program around them, switch tempo up if you like, slower eccentric for hypertrophy. Much more than that and you are just pissing in the wind.

 

[P-funk]

I would like to tell you, but I don't read fad programs, so I know nothing about them. Just know the forms of peridiozation and their pros and cons, the appropriate rep ranges and how to construct a program around them, switch tempo up if you like, slower eccentric for hypertrophy. Much more than that and you are just pissing in the wind.

yea for real. all you have to know is how to apply concepts. These retards think they wrote the book on training. Majoritiy of people see good results on a "fad" program like doggshit or ironman HIT because their progress has stalled doing the shitty program they have been doing for the past year. The simple change in training split, sets, reps, rep tempo and training organization is just what they need to make improvements and break out of the slup we call accomodation. In general, no matter what they do to change up their program would have illicited similiar gains. So, when someone says they got big doing Doggshits program I just figure that they knew nothing about training properly to begin.

 

[Tough Old Man]

god damn TOM, why don't you stop with the f'ing drama? maybe if you would stfu this shit would stop.

you've brought it on yourself with your teenager bullshit.

leave the talk to training. this is a training forum right?

Lets see. Our administrator said this on this same thread.

"and I am Tough Old Man, sorry everyone but I am a clinically diagnosed multiple personality. "

How about you telling him the same thing newbie.

 

[phreak]

 

[Tough Old Man]

Nice come back. What I expected. Oh well .....and that I guess would be Dogg Crapp Training. I can say this. P-Funk, I have a lot of respect for you both as a person and a trainer as your very knowledgeable. But your not always right. I was stuck in a rut and I tried DC training and it really didn't do much for me. Now I can't say that about Iron Man's. I know you dislike both of them for some reason, but until you try something, I don't know how you can put either one of there training down like you have. My 2 cents

I need to add the following

When I said I tried DC training and it didn't really help me, in defense of Dante it was most likely cause i couldn't follow it correctly. You have to have a spotter and I don't as I workout at home alone. Hey it may be the greatest routine in the world if worked correctly.

PT

 

[BigDyl]

everyone in this thread is....

Dimaggi0wn3d X Infinity!!!!

 

[BigDyl]

I and 13ig13ad know every IP address in this thread.

True Story. Too bad if you contacted the actual "ISP" you'd wonder why you had reached the NSA.

 

[Triple Threat]

I was stuck in a rut and I tried DC training and it really didn't do much for me. Now I can't say that about Iron Man's.

Assuming the two methods have similarities (or else this debate on who stole from whom would not exist), what are the differences between the two that gave you different results?

 

[maniclion]

I've been eating dog shit for 2 weeks now and haven't noticed any improvements in strength, except for the strength of my breath.

 

[Doublebase]

What is going on in this thread? I remeber the first page. What is everyone arguing about? Why is Robert banning everyone?

 

[Tough Old Man]

What is going on in this thread? I remeber the first page. What is everyone arguing about? Why is Robert banning everyone?

You are kidding I hope cause you missed the part where he said it would only apply to those that ask "why is Robert Banning everyone?"

Hurry re-edit and delete that part before he see's your post.

 

[P-funk]

Nice come back. What I expected. Oh well .....and that I guess would be Dogg Crapp Training. I can say this. P-Funk, I have a lot of respect for you both as a person and a trainer as your very knowledgeable. But your not always right. I was stuck in a rut and I tried DC training and it really didn't do much for me. Now I can't say that about Iron Man's. I know you dislike both of them for some reason, but until you try something, I don't know how you can put either one of there training down like you have. My 2 cents

I need to add the following

When I said I tried DC training and it didn't really help me, in defense of Dante it was most likely cause i couldn't follow it correctly. You have to have a spotter and I don't as I workout at home alone. Hey it may be the greatest routine in the world if worked correctly.

PT

like dale said....they are re-hashing a bunch of old training methods and organizing it and calling it their own and fighting over it. Anyone can organize a training program if you lean how to manipulate variables. these two ass fucks act like they invented the wheel and their program is nothing new. You were probably in a rut because you were training like a bb'er and not structuring your training...plain and simple. Then you tried their thing and it had new stuff....rest pause, dynamic stretching (or whatever you want to call what they are doing), forced reps, etc....It wasn't that you hadn't done this stuff before but now, they took it from you just throwing it into a routine and they organized it.

Louie Simmons put together what is called the "westside template". I am sure if you talk to him about it he will tell you it isn't his. It was just an organization of training ideas from russian and bulgarian weightlifters. If he can set aside his ego and claim that he pretty much "stole" all of his ideas why can't these morons.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

like dale said....they are re-hashing a bunch of old training methods and organizing it and calling it their own and fighting over it. Anyone can organize a training program if you lean how to manipulate variables. these two ass fucks act like they invented the wheel and their program is nothing new. You were probably in a rut because you were training like a bb'er and not structuring your training...plain and simple. Then you tried their thing and it had new stuff....rest pause, dynamic stretching (or whatever you want to call what they are doing), forced reps, etc....It wasn't that you hadn't done this stuff before but now, they took it from you just throwing it into a routine and they organized it.

Louie Simmons put together what is called the "westside template". I am sure if you talk to him about it he will tell you it isn't his. It was just an organization of training ideas from russian and bulgarian weightlifters. If he can set aside his ego and claim that he pretty much "stole" all of his ideas why can't these morons.

Oh god, get over yourself ratboy. I have never seen anyone post so much who has no clue what he's even talking about. You said you had no knowledge of what my methods are about previously and now your an expert on the ins and outs of them? You dont know what my methods are but you have posted on this thread over 50 times? Nothing is worse than someone who preaches and preaches just because he loves to hear himself talk. Ive been around since the early 90's talking about this stuff in magazine and internet form (2000) ...and for the
2nd or 3rd time (since you only shoot your mouth off and dont read anything) read post 294 on page 15 again. Yes 10 pages ago I answered the question already. Then you can go back to your 15 post a day habit and thinking that being a moderator named P-funk on a bodybuilding board actually means your someone of incredible stature and consequence. If you paid attention at all, this whole thing came about because I give credit every step of the way with the forefathers in weightlifting before me and the other guy (IM) doesnt. So you go right ahead and continue being the guy who jumps into an argument about bananas when its actually about taxes.

 

[P-funk]

Nothing is worse than someone who preaches and preaches just because he loves to hear himself talk.

lol...you just described yourself.

I don't care that I am a moderator on a bbing forum. It means nothing to me. I could careless about bodybuilding actually.

I glanced at your stupid program. I wouldn't waste my time reading a bunch of garbage.

I love you fuck nuts that think you are bad asses because you have a fucking gym PHD...."I have been a bb'er for 30yrs! I have been talking this stuff since the 90's on the internet and in the magazines. I have been sucking cock for steroids since the 80's." hahahha.....get over it....you are pathetic.

 

[Tough Old Man]

Oh god, get over yourself ratboy. I have never seen anyone post so much who has no clue what he's even talking about. You said you had no knowledge of what my methods are about previously and now your an expert on the ins and outs of them? You dont know what my methods are but you have posted on this thread over 50 times? Nothing is worse than someone who preaches and preaches just because he loves to hear himself talk. Ive been around since the early 90's talking about this stuff in magazine and internet form (2000) ...and for the
2nd or 3rd time (since you only shoot your mouth off and dont read anything) read post 294 on page 15 again. Yes 10 pages ago I answered the question already. Then you can go back to your 15 post a day habit and thinking that being a moderator named P-funk on a bodybuilding board actually means your someone of incredible stature and consequence. If you paid attention at all, this whole thing came about because I give credit every step of the way with the forefathers in weightlifting before me and the other guy (IM) doesnt. So you go right ahead and continue being the guy who jumps into an argument about bananas when its actually about taxes.

Oh boy I'm fucked. I think I agree with almost everything here you just said. I see a train coming and it's going to run over me for saying the above.

Tough

 

[Doublebase]

You are kidding I hope cause you missed the part where he said it would only apply to those that ask "why is Robert Banning everyone?"

Hurry re-edit and delete that part before he see's your post.

no

 

[Arnold]

Why is Robert banning everyone?

that was a joke.

 

[Dale Mabry]

lol...you just described yourself.

I don't care that I am a moderator on a bbing forum. It means nothing to me. I could careless about bodybuilding actually.

For shame. Being a mod on a BBing board is actually a point of pride for me, I have it on my business cards.

I am going to go look at the Dogg Crapp method right now, an honest critique is coming. I just need to get a beer first.

 

[CowPimp]

For shame. Being a mod on a BBing board is actually a point of pride for me, I have it on my business cards.

I am going to go look at the Dogg Crapp method right now, an honest critique is coming. I just need to get a beer first.

I read through it a long time ago. I don't recall any breakthrough information contained in the protocol guidelines. It probably works well, but I don't see anything special about it.

 

[Tough Old Man]

For shame. Being a mod on a BBing board is actually a point of pride for me, I have it on my business cards.

I am going to go look at the Dogg Crapp method right now, an honest critique is coming. I just need to get a beer first.

That will be fine. Drinking a beer while reading up on DC works. But as soon as you start the program, the beer is out. Now you have no excuses the next time i kick your ass. You won't be able to tell everyone that the only reason the old man thrashed you was cause you were drunk.

 

[Tough Old Man]

that was a joke.

You spoil everything. I just about had this guy going back to re-edit his post.

 

[Dale Mabry]

For shame. Being a mod on a BBing board is actually a point of pride for me, I have it on my business cards.

I am going to go look at the Dogg Crapp method right now, an honest critique is coming. I just need to get a beer first.

Ok, I saw 2 things...

Mentzer
1 exercise per muscle group

Then I stopped reading. Not that HIT is bad, it is only 1 very small piece of a very large puzzle. It is a component of a much larger picture, not something to base a whole routine off of. Perhaps I was reading an old version, here is the thread...

http://www.muscleticket.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t178.html

 

[Duncans Donuts]

I read through it a long time ago. I don't recall any breakthrough information contained in the protocol guidelines. It probably works well, but I don't see anything special about it.

That's because it isn't special. I tried it, got decent results, stayed on it too long and then switched. It certainly doesn't involve any breakthrough research or paticularly innovative ideas. The methodology may INVOLVE good ideas, but nothing innovative. I look above and see 3 or 4 of the most knowledgable and educated people above stating what everyone knows - it's simply a rehash of principles that people have been using for probably a century. Anyone who would pay for such material is naive, gullible, & foolish.

 

[Dale Mabry]

That will be fine. Drinking a beer while reading up on DC works. But as soon as you start the program, the beer is out. Now you have no excuses the next time i kick your ass. You won't be able to tell everyone that the only reason the old man thrashed you was cause you were drunk.

I would hit you so many times you would think you were surrounded.

 

[P-funk]

That's because it isn't special. I tried it, got decent results, stayed on it too long and then switched. It certainly doesn't involve any breakthrough research or paticularly innovative ideas. The methodology may INVOLVE good ideas, but nothing innovative. I look above and see 3 or 4 of the most knowledgable and educated people above stating what everyone knows - it's simply a rehash of principles that people have been using for probably a century. Anyone who would pay for such material is naive, gullible, & foolish.

gotta love duncan.

 

[GFR]

I have been sucking cock for steroids since the 80's."

OMG, I knew it

 

[The13ig13adWolf]

I have been sucking cock for steroids since the 80's.

i just threw up in my mouth a little...