DP's Slow Cut to Preserve LBM

[Twin Peak]

DP I notice you are haing caffiene now. I remember hearing you saying caffiene was not good, was that for a cut only?

In any event I have been reading a lot of John Berardi's writings on nutritional lately. On of them references a study that says caffiene (for several hours) will keep your body functioning as if you are more IR than normal. He cited a study which "showed" that caffiene plus a "good carb meal" (I think it was oatmeal) cause a greater insulin response than very high GI foods w/o the caffiene.

Have you seen this? ANy thoughts?

 

[Dr. Pain]

So....nutshell version:

I train a Chiropractor........first from a distance......diet, exercises. form correction...etc. Back when he was post BFL and experiencing BBP (Body by Pain)...a remarkable difference BTW.

Form was the hardest concept for him.....we trained Japanese Style....I used my hand as a Kendo Stick and beat his form into position...time after fucking time. Now after 2 years, he could train most trainers, except for side laterals which he can seem to get.


About 1.5 years ago....we let him train as our partner......the progress was amazing, we even put him "On Stage" and he did well....and "Seemed" to grasp the Nutritional Concepts.......which was also as difficult ot instill as form was.

So Wednesday...after finding out he is eating ONLY 4 times a day, and understand, he looks really good, gymast's upper body, huge arms, Shoulders by Pain, etc....and in our world.....men are fat at 10% (no offense anyone)...so he doesn't go there....still has abs, but never is able to effect the changes I suggest for him, no added LBM, size etc...although constant progress w/lifts

(Nutrition was/is the problem)

I give him his Phase One contest program:

He is 156 5'6"

4 meals at 45 P 30 C and 15 F
1 meal at 45 P 0 C and 15 F

Totals 225 P 120 C 75 F

and he freaks......."Oh man, I haven't been eating enough fat"

So he gets the fat lecture....next day

(asks me protein values of some foods)

"Damn....I haven't been eating enough Protein"


I'm like "Fuck, you're a Doctor....you tell people what to do....and we have beem going over and OVER this for years!"

The point is, NUTRITION is EVERYTHING......why even W/O so hard if you're not going to eat right?

Sorry...just a vent

DP

 

[Dr. Pain]

Originally posted by Twin Peak
DP I notice you are haing caffiene now. I remember hearing you saying caffiene was not good, was that for a cut only?

In any event I have been reading a lot of John Berardi's writings on nutritional lately. On of them references a study that says caffiene (for several hours) will keep your body functioning as if you are more IR than normal. He cited a study which "showed" that caffiene plus a "good carb meal" (I think it was oatmeal) cause a greater insulin response than very high GI foods w/o the caffiene.

Have you seen this? ANy thoughts?

Yes we have many posts on this.....skeletal glucose disposal and the whole lot.

It is NOT good....however my body reacts poorly to coffee (bloats, loses definition with in minutes), but well to anhydrous caffiene. Caffeine is ingested between 5 and 5:30 AM with no real carbohydrate intake till at least 10 AM on a cut!

And later in my cut...it will be reduced and then removed

DP

 

[w8lifter]

The point is, NUTRITION is EVERYTHING......why even W/O so hard if you're not going to eat right?

Yeah...I like that

 

[Twin Peak]

So you don't believe in EC while cutting then?

 

[w8lifter]

I can answer that, lol.

 

[Dr. Pain]

Please do....or link to it...gotta run

DP

 

[w8lifter]

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
Please do....or link to it...gotta run

DP

Crap....I didn't really wanna, lol

I'll look for it in a while

 

[Dr. Pain]

There is a blurb in one of my articles too

Hey w8...are you here for a minute and do you want to see the motiv8tional crap I wrote for you the other day before I trash it...you can delete it after you read it?

 

[w8lifter]

Okay

 

[Dr. Pain]

*will NOT give up*

But I want you to know that I had had a serious "premptive rebuttal" planned......Because I KNOW you!

Look at my immediate BB family...you know the cast of characters.......there is about as many in a secondary BB family that I advise. Each one, including myself has one or more serious flaws that' keeps them from 'Champion Status"...if even on a small level....Champion in your OWN MIND is beyond value.... a mental souvenier (I can't fucking spell that word) that stays with you all of your life.

For instance, two people, don't have legs, NEVER will, one has a "long waist" and will never show right next to a shorter person with a gr8 build, one is "too young", muscle maturity wise but her time will come. Myself...when racing...I had world class VO2 max and O2 uptake...but poor biomechanics, as BB..I just don't have the GENETICS!

The point here is....... YOU DO have the GENETICS.......it's the 'mentality" that is holding you/us back. We all had to work hard to accomplish our GENETIC POTENTIAL.....most of us are still working towards it. I agree with you in a heartbeat that "Self Esteem" and "Happiness" are of paramount importance. But, the mindset needs to be that this is only a "temporary" state......I told you what Paris said......she is able to bulk because she NEVER loses sight of the goal.

A cut now...will set you back 20-30 days and condem you to mini-cycling rather than a long slow LMB preserving cut. I always have your best interests at hand, and felt that that type of cut would eliminate the ass minute....err last minute problems we had last time........We would have extra time to deal with details, including a mini bulk I had suggested in the middle of the cut as a reset.

Leah, now and always, you should do what you want to do with your body.......... (HEAR ME?)

You asked me why I haven't freaked.... Yes, I've lost some cuts for size.......the reason is that this is the first time that I have seen the BIGGER picture.....I'm going to be a bigger better DP for this effort, or else! (still very close....I draw the line at chest fat)

So...whatcha wanna do?

FYI viewing public: While there is a reason we have been talking everything out in public.....I/we hope some can use the info, motivation, banter....to deal with their personal demons. Let's call this BB PSY 101

DP

 

[w8lifter]

K

 

[w8lifter]

BTW...I posted a pic in my journal

 

[Hammerlynn]

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
FYI viewing public: While there is a reason we have been talking everything out in public.....I/we hope some can use the info, motivation, banter....to deal with their personal demons. Let's call this BB PSY 101

I for one would like to thank you for doing exactly that! I do read through all of the journals and although it is directly related to a specific person I can certainly learn and apply some of it to my own life!

I've really struggled in the last couple months and while I dont like to see others struggle it's comforting to know that other people have similar issues!

So thank you and know that some of the things that you have both said are the reason that I got my ass back in gear

 

[Dr. Pain]

Originally posted by Hammerlynn
I for one would like to thank you for doing exactly that! I do read through all of the journals and although it is directly related to a specific person I can certainly learn and apply some of it to my own life!

I've really struggled in the last couple months and while I dont like to see others struggle it's comforting to know that other people have similar issues!

So thank you and know that some of the things that you have both said are the reason that I got my ass back in gear

WOW! I think we all struggle to some degree. It's just so gr8 here at IM to have really Gr8 friends and all of the Incredible support! :awesome:

I'm so glad that we helped, thank you too!

DP

 

[w8lifter]

 

[Dr. Pain]

Yesterday's W/O and Nutrition went so well...that I almost considered jumping back into the BULK.

Just 4 days of "Corrective Measures" and my w8 stabilized at 221, the excess water GONE and the cuts now more evident with the ADDITIONAL SIZE! (Tanning helped)

If I could just grasp the "knowledge" that the bloat is/was temporary, which is harder than it seems..........I could progress in my chosen sport!

Today. looking good is on my mind, those uninitiated in the gym, don't understand the trade-off between cuts and shear mass. Yesterday, sporting size and cuts.......lead me to receive seveval positive comments that made me feel that muscluature was a better trademark than just size. I feel like the college kids that come to me and say..."I want to be big as fuck and ripped to shreads!" (Two master syndrome)

So I guess I'm conflicted and confused...maybe a nap will help

DP

 

[w8lifter]

Yesterday's W/O and Nutrition went so well...that I almost considered jumping back into the BULK.

If I could just grasp the "knowledge" that the bloat is/was temporary, which is harder than it seems..........I could progress in my chosen sport!


Me too.

 

[w8lifter]

....Only I'm not conflicted and confused anymore

 

[Dr. Pain]

I can tell, maybe I shoud squat 5 plates like I planned tomorrow and get on with this?

DP

 

[w8lifter]

Yep

 

[Dr. Pain]

That's "my" word...and it comes with a smilie?

DP

 

[w8lifter]

Remember you asked for it...I told you before.......

 

[Dr. Pain]

Meals.... back on track!

Shopping complete!

Creatine...reloaded!

Bloat....I'm sure it's coming!

Mental state....still fucked up...so I'm gonna reserve a decision until a see the scale and how I look and perform tomorrow......will post results Tuesday no matter what!

DP

 

[mmafiter]

Originally posted by w8lifter
....Only I'm not conflicted and confused anymore

Well good for you!

 

[w8lifter]

But.....the Pain's are getting very close to "empty nest".......

Yeah...I'm not there yet.

 

[Dr. Pain]

Originally posted by w8lifter
Yeah...I'm not there yet.

That's what we thought too.....happens before you know it!

DP

 

[Dr. Pain]

12/16

So meals are on track.......conditions are good....Head Banging music at my request.......L/Extension X 2, L/C, groin stretch on the leg press......

Squatting 135 X ?? for 2 sets, 225 X 6, 315 X 4 (rep conservation) 405 X 2 (ultra rep conservation)

So the Warm-up is over and I rack 475 instead of 495 just to "Double" and get a feel.....first rep just below parallel was so easy..I figured I'd take one deeper into the hole......and just coming off the bottom......something moves "big time" between my medial and lateral quad (actually felt like one muscle "jumped over the other") about 6 inches above the knee...real dull pain...and nothing like a tear.....but it made me freak and bail, cuz I knew I was hurt. Most of time I'd just power through something like that and get hurt worse, I'm actually getting smarter with age!

Just goes to show.....injuries can happen anytime, anywhere....always do the smart thing, respect PAIN!


So the in house Phyical Therapist says major strain.....no tear. I've been icing and it's getting pretty bad.....stairs....and I have a lot of them as my house is built into a hill (has like 9 levels)...are fucking killing me!

Ok Whining over Now I have a few weeks to really get into my upper body LOL

DP

 

[w8lifter]

....um, what did you do w/ the bar? LOL...did you just trash it? I'd like to hear 475 crashing to the floor, lol....j/k Ouch! So like...you can't do anything...how long is that gonna take to heal.... the more rest it has, the faster it'll heal

 

[Dr. Pain]

Oh...and BW 220

It was the "The More I eat, the Less I weigh" syndrome...the corollary of which is of course.."The Less you eat, the More you weigh" as my weight dropped from increased intake! :crap:

An, ironically.....next guy up had to bail on the squat rack...and a fromer PL took his lower back out moments l8er.

DP