Elder Bush would like son Jeb to run for president

[goandykid]

I seem to wandered into the dumbest thread ever. Five minutes of my life that I will never get back.

Then leave. This is a thread about politics, not about insulting other IM members.

 

[busyLivin]

Good comeback When you are done judging my religious beliefs give me a real answer.

I'm not... I just really don't see what you want me to say?!?!

 

[Pepper]

Then leave. This is a thread about politics, not about insulting other IM members.

 

[GFR]

I'm not... I just really don't see what you want me to say?!?!

It's ok I know. It's easy to give blanket complements to you're leader of choice, but hard to back them up when questioned on them.

 

[ZECH]

I'll tell you why, because they can't talk about anything that MATTERED that he did wrong in his Presidency.

When you do NOTHING, what is there to talk about?
The best thing Clinton did was launch that cruise missle toward Osama. Too bad he missed him.

 

[busyLivin]

It's ok I know. It's easy to give blanket complements to you're leader of choice, but hard to back them up when questioned on them.

I can't follow you... We were talking about Slick Willie's cheating, followed by your claim of my "obsession" with God, me judging your beliefs?????, now I can't back up my defense of Bush?

 

[goandykid]

When you do NOTHING, what is there to talk about?
The best thing Clinton did was launch that cruise missle toward Osama. Too bad he missed him.

By nothing I'm assuming you mean keeping the economy great, keeping foreign relations in good condition, individualism w/in the CFR, and no war?

B/C in that case, Bush has done a whole lot...

 

[GFR]

I can't follow you... We were talking about Slick Willie's cheating, followed by your claim of my "obsession" with God, now I can't back up attacks against Bush?

You avoided my comments in response to your exaggerated claims that GWB has kept us safe since 911. If you are going to make claims about something a leader has done back them up. Starting wars and arming others to fight your wars is not the way to keep your people safe. And you wonder why most countries hate us. It is not moral or Godly to get involved in killing for the sake of wealth or to force your political beliefs.

 

[ZECH]

By nothing I'm assuming you mean keeping the economy great, keeping foreign relations in good condition, individualism w/in the CFR, and no war?

B/C in that case, Bush has done a whole lot...

Don't even go there. Clinton did not do one single thing to make a good economy. It was already there. He just rode it till it ran out. Foreign ralations to Bill was Whitewater and trying to keep his buddies out of hot water. Oh yeah, several went to jail.

 

[Decker]

your hollywood list, the media... Shall I list the liberal ones?

Please do. But I already know that anyone disagreeing w/ rightwing politics is branded a liberal whether justified or not. So that will probably be an exercise in futility. But let's see...

Yes, please list the liberal media in this country--please start w/ the 6 corporations that own vitually all of the US media and work your way down. This should be interesting.

 

[busyLivin]

Not ignoring anyone's questions.. as I said, I'm at work & I will answer them tonight.

looking forward to it

 

[Decker]

You anti-Bush folks just continue to embarrass yourselves with absurd comments.

I don't think we're anti-Bush in the sense that our motivation for disliking him and his cronies is b/c he's a Bush. Just look at his track record on the economy (tax cuts/budget management), health care, social security, Iraq, and education. His neo-fascist bent w/ respect to all of these topics is evident if you merely look. Those blinded by ideological commitment or worship hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see.

I just wish that you went after the abuses of power by Bush the way you all went after Clinton for lying under oath. You guys are ultimate team players apparently.

 

[gr81]

wow this thread is just self destructed by a bunch of people that know nothing about politics, and that includes just about everyone, not just the conservatives. This is exactly what I was talking about earlier about partisan bashing. everyone is wrong so no one is to blame, we run to a moral safe ground,we team up to where we are blinded by emotion. Clinton was not all good, and Bush is not all bad. The economy wasn't simply great under clinton and then bad the minute Bush came in, there are a million factors to blame, some of them are attributed to Bush of course. And please, you people who blindly support Bush and see no faults of his are just as foolish as anyone. He did lie and cheat and scam us into this war, as well as himself into the election, but its possible that despite all of that, our presence may not be such a bad thing in the future. its possible that was thinking ahead and that in 20 years maybe we will be better off, no one knows. Doesn't mean what he has done, is doin is not unethical. The point is that we all need to objectively view the situations surrounding us, otherwise its nothing but a political gang war where no ground is giving up. The fact of the matter is that there are alot of negative trends going on in this country and we are all in it together and for anything to change we need to stop being petty, act like mature adults and concede our stubbornness, for the good of the god damm country. For no other reason than how about the fact that if these trends continue America is not going to be a superpower in 20 years!

 

[Decker]

Don't even go there. Clinton did not do one single thing to make a good economy. It was already there. He just rode it till it ran out. Foreign ralations to Bill was Whitewater and trying to keep his buddies out of hot water. Oh yeah, several went to jail.

I'll compare the number of convictions of the Clinton administration w/ the Reagan administration any day. Remember when Bush Sr. pardoned all the major players in the Iran/contra affair on Christmas eve b/c as Cap Weinberger said, "I'm too old to go to jail." implying he'd rat out Bush Sr. ("I was out of the loop"). I remember that traitorous day.

Dead wrong again dg806, Clinton did many things to keep the good economy rolling: balancing the budget--fiscal discipline--keeps interest rates low; paying down the debt; Clinton signed NAFTA which opened the door for foreign trade (I disagreed w/ that one).

I could go on but you get the point. Presidents have an effect on the course of the economy.

 

[goandykid]

I couldn't agree more. I'm obviously bias and admit to it, I just wish all the voters in America would actually look for the better candidate than just trying to win. There were things wrong w/ Kerry and Bush, but I just think that if you take a step back and look at each thing Bush has done during his presidency you'll see that he hasn't helped America improve at all, in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Flex]

When you do NOTHING, what is there to talk about?

Dead wrong again dg806, Clinton did many things to keep the good economy rolling: balancing the budget--fiscal discipline--keeps interest rates low; paying down the debt; Clinton signed NAFTA which opened the door for foreign trade

Keep up your Bush-can-do-no-wrong-attitude, it suits you well.

 

[busyLivin]

Keep up your Bush-can-do-no-wrong-attitude, it suits you well.

give me a break, you're just as much "Bush-can-do-no-good"

 

[Flex]

give me a break, you're just as much "Bush-can-do-no-good"

actually I'm FAR from it.

I'm neither Democrat nor Republican. I judge my opinion based on how the person does.

Bush Sr. was a very good president, as was Clinton. But since Jr. got in, it's been all bad news. THATS why i don't like him.

So take your biased Bush goggles off and look at what's really going on.

 

[TriZZle305]

biased bush goggles...

 

[gr81]

wow this thread is just self destructed by a bunch of people that know nothing about politics, and that includes just about everyone, not just the conservatives. This is exactly what I was talking about earlier about partisan bashing. everyone is wrong so no one is to blame, we run to a moral safe ground,we team up to where we are blinded by emotion. Clinton was not all good, and Bush is not all bad. The economy wasn't simply great under clinton and then bad the minute Bush came in, there are a million factors to blame, some of them are attributed to Bush of course. And please, you people who blindly support Bush and see no faults of his are just as foolish as anyone. He did lie and cheat and scam us into this war, as well as himself into the election, but its possible that despite all of that, our presence may not be such a bad thing in the future. its possible that was thinking ahead and that in 20 years maybe we will be better off, no one knows. Doesn't mean what he has done, is doin is not unethical. The point is that we all need to objectively view the situations surrounding us, otherwise its nothing but a political gang war where no ground is giving up. The fact of the matter is that there are alot of negative trends going on in this country and we are all in it together and for anything to change we need to stop being petty, act like mature adults and concede our stubbornness, for the good of the god damm country. For no other reason than how about the fact that if these trends continue America is not going to be a superpower in 20 years!

dammit everyone stop and read this post!

 

[goandykid]

lol gr81, don't worry, I agree with you. It just can't be settles that easily. I'm always going to be a Redskins fan, and I'm always going to be critical of Bush. It's not that we're argueing with each other, it's that we're argueing over Bush's job as president. Every1 who's posted in this thread has unfortuanately already chosen sides and there's nothing productive that's going to come out of this thread. Baseless bitching about pardons, affairs, morals, etc is why this thread is going to fizzle out.

 

[ZECH]

The fact of the matter is that there are alot of negative trends going on in this country and we are all in it together and for anything to change we need to stop being petty, act like mature adults and concede our stubbornness, for the good of the god damm country.

Very good point. Both Repubs and Democrats are too blame. Yes I voted for Bush both times and would do it agian if he ran against the same people. I think both sides have went to the far extremes and both need to come back toward middle ground. I really don't see any republican I am crazy about yet, but if the democrats don't come up with someone decent that is not so damn liberal and want to ban guns, guess who I will be voting for? I am a registered Democrat!

 

[ZECH]

Keep up your Bush-can-do-no-wrong-attitude, it suits you well.

Read my previous post.

 

[goandykid]

He wasn't banning guns though... he was banning assault rifles and placing laws making it harder to own a gun. =/ Shit, im a guy, I love guns , but I do agree that there need to be much much harsher penalties and that it should be harder to obtain one. 9/11 was a disaster, but look at all the gun related deaths in the past 20 years. The reason England is so safe is b/c they can't own guns. We should take a step in that direction, but not so dramatically.

 

[ZECH]

Clinton signed NAFTA which opened the door for foreign trade (I disagreed w/ that one).

I did too. Where do you think alot of the trade deficit is coming from?
They send all our jobs to Mexico for cheaper labor and now our stuff is bought in Mexico!

 

[ZECH]

He wasn't banning guns though... he was banning assault rifles and placing laws making it harder to own a gun. =/ Shit, im a guy, I love guns , but I do agree that there need to be much much harsher penalties and that it should be harder to obtain one. 9/11 was a disaster, but look at all the gun related deaths in the past 20 years. The reason England is so safe is b/c they can't own guns. We should take a step in that direction, but not so dramatically.

Spoken like a true liberal Who are you talking about?

 

[goandykid]

Spoken like a true liberal Who are you talking about?

Yes, as a liberal, I appreciate life. Sorry, won't happen again? You think as a liberal I'm like an abstaining monk, but I'm 19, live in DC, and candrink you under the table. It's just that I've seen what guns can do, and since, like most white, rich, conservatives, you've probably only seen a gun on one of your hunting expeditions or something.

 

[GFR]

Yes, as a liberal, I appreciate life. Sorry, won't happen again? You think as a liberal I'm like an abstaining monk, but I'm 19, live in DC, and candrink you under the table. It's just that I've seen what guns can do, and since, like most white, rich, conservatives, you've probably only seen a gun on one of your hunting expeditions or something.

 

[gr81]

I am glad we can agree on that DG. I wanna throw something out there that confuses me and I don't mean it to be derogatory or instagative, I honestly don't see how this is not hypocritical. Republicans claim to be so righteous and focused on life and preserving life, from the anti-abortion, prolife crowd (which btw I am not judging), to the Terry shiavo(sp) case, which btw a law was made specifically from her situation which is unconstitutional, to all the religious right who claim that life is never expendable. Yet Bush has signed more death warrants in Texas than anyone else in this country, and guns ownership is an untouchable subject for everyone. How is that not hypocritical of this party? it boggles my mind.. and I am sure there are things that democrats do that is also hypocritical so this is not party bashing at all, honest question

 

[maniclion]

Anarchy is the way.