First Cycle advice please

[jake9908]

I am about to start my first cycle and was curious what you guys think about it. My current stats Age-24, Weight-170, BF-8%, i have been lifting seriously for 4 years and am looking for a way to keep my lean look while packing on some more weight because i cant seem to keep my BF% down and gain any. I have been debating starting a cycle for some years now and think i finally have a cycle planned out and am ready. I want to run Test Prop at 100mg eod for 8 wks with 50mgs winny ed for weeks 3-8. Also debating replacing the winny with var but not sure yet. What kind of pct would you guys run on that and would this be a good cycle if i wanted to gain 5-10 lbs of lean muscle

 

[World-Pharma.org]

Here are some great cycles planes!

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/world-pharma/123360-world-pharma-cycles.html

 

[VictorZ06]

IMHO, first cycles should be longer than 8 weeks. Winny KILLS my joints and would rather go with var.



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[Digitalash]

IMHO, first cycles should be longer than 8 weeks. Winny KILLS my joints and would rather go with var.



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how much longer? I'm doing ten soon as a first cycle, is that long enough?

 

[VictorZ06]

how much longer? I'm doing ten soon as a first cycle, is that long enough?

10 is better, but I would aim for 12. IMHO.



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[ZECH]

For a first cycle, are you absolutely sure you want to pin eod to start with? Normally guys start with cyp or test E and pin twice a week. If you absolutely want to run prop, 10-12 weeks would work. Also, I don't see var being a big problem as it is reletively mild. You will need to take upwards of 100mg/day and that will get expensive.

 

[alphabolic]

why does a first cycle have to be 10-12 weeks? my first is gonna be this

weeks 1-8 test prop 350-400mg
weeks 1-6 anavar 70mg
weeks 1-8 arimidex .5mg eod
weeks 3-8 HCG 500iu

PCT
clomid- 100/100/50/50
nolva- 40/20/20/20
aromasin-12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5

i have 4 10ml vials of test prop so if i stick with 350mg a week i have enough to run it for 8.5 weeks or 400mg for 10 weeks. and i have 300 10mg tablets of anavar so i can either do 30 days at 100mg ed or 70mg ed for 6 weeks. i guess if i need more i can pick more up. trying to make this first cycle a perfect one.

 

[VictorZ06]

why does a first cycle have to be 10-12 weeks? my first is gonna be this

weeks 1-8 test prop 350-400mg
weeks 1-6 anavar 70mg
weeks 1-8 arimidex .5mg eod
weeks 3-8 HCG 500iu

PCT
clomid- 100/100/50/50
nolva- 40/20/20/20
aromasin-12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5

i have 4 10ml vials of test prop so if i stick with 350mg a week i have enough to run it for 8.5 weeks or 400mg for 10 weeks. and i have 300 10mg tablets of anavar so i can either do 30 days at 100mg ed or 70mg ed for 6 weeks. i guess if i need more i can pick more up. trying to make this first cycle a perfect one.

If you are in fact a valid candidate to use AAS, 500mg EW is the average starting point. You are planning on taking far less than that. You are basing your cycle around what you currently have on hand, that's not how to go about putting a cycle together. Shorter cycles (6-8 wks) are generally used more for pre contest shows or to get a little more cut in the summer.

Prop is not the best test to use as well for a first cycle. You are better off with enan or cyp....you won't have to pin every day/every other day.



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[djm6464]

If you are in fact a valid candidate to use AAS, 500mg EW is the average starting point. You are planning on taking far less than that. You are basing your cycle around what you currently have on hand, that's not how to go about putting a cycle together. Shorter cycles (6-8 wks) are generally used more for pre contest shows or to get a little more cut in the summer.

Prop is not the best test to use as well for a first cycle. You are better off with enan or cyp....you won't have to pin every day/every other day.



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agreed with all that, also if you used adex on cycle, there is no point in the aromasin in pct, control e2, dont crush it....id much rather aromasin on cycle, and shelf the adex all together

you can even drop the nolva, i like torem, but clomid solo is fine too

again tho, eod pinning first time out may seem fine in theory, but in practice its a different story

 

[alphabolic]

If you are in fact a valid candidate to use AAS, 500mg EW is the average starting point. You are planning on taking far less than that. You are basing your cycle around what you currently have on hand, that's not how to go about putting a cycle together. Shorter cycles (6-8 wks) are generally used more for pre contest shows or to get a little more cut in the summer.

Prop is not the best test to use as well for a first cycle. You are better off with enan or cyp....you won't have to pin every day/every other day.



/V

well first off im not going to start my cycle unless it's perfect thats a given and if i need more of any substance i'll be sure to get it first. i've researched for a longgg time and plenty of people/mods with experience told me that my cycle i just posted would be great for a first timer. i've tweaked it over and over to get it to this point. and now im being told it's too short....this is so frustrating.

if i need to run 500mg for 12 weeks minimum then hell i might as well order a few vials of enth or cyp since i cant run a long ester for only 8 weeks. i could handle 2 months of pinning but if it's 3 then i might as well use enth. dont know what i'd do with the prop if that's the case. aghhhh

and i have 40 1mg pills of a-dex plus 40 25mg pills of aromasin. my research has led me to believe that clomid and nolva for PCT will yield an estrogen rebound which is what the aromasin was added for in PCT. if i choose to run the aromasin at 12.5mg eod or e3d during cycle then the a-dex is a waste since i cant run it with nolva during PCT. by the time i get this whole cycle perfect it'll be christmas

 

[D-Lats]

why does a first cycle have to be 10-12 weeks? my first is gonna be this

weeks 1-8 test prop 350-400mg
weeks 1-6 anavar 70mg
weeks 1-8 arimidex .5mg eod
weeks 3-8 HCG 500iu

PCT
clomid- 100/100/50/50
nolva- 40/20/20/20
aromasin-12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5

i have 4 10ml vials of test prop so if i stick with 350mg a week i have enough to run it for 8.5 weeks or 400mg for 10 weeks. and i have 300 10mg tablets of anavar so i can either do 30 days at 100mg ed or 70mg ed for 6 weeks. i guess if i need more i can pick more up. trying to make this first cycle a perfect one.

If you want to make it perfect I would save the prop get 20 ml of test c run it at 250 mg twice a week. Save the anavar for when you have experience and low bf. If you don't it won't do what you think it will. Other than that great first cycle. Prop hurts and clears fast so if you get sick of pinning or miss a shot you will regret it.

 

[VictorZ06]

Nolva has no place in this cycle. Just keep it on hand in case of emergencies. As for your AI, you can run one AI throughout the entire cycle. OR you can run adex during your cycle and switch to aromasin for PCT. Aromasin is better during PCT. I personally use adex all the way through and never had any problems.


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[alphabolic]

If you want to make it perfect I would save the prop get 20 ml of test c run it at 250 mg twice a week. Save the anavar for when you have experience and low bf. If you don't it won't do what you think it will. Other than that great first cycle. Prop hurts and clears fast so if you get sick of pinning or miss a shot you will regret it.

i just dont see how a 10 week cyp cycle at 500mg a week is that much different from an 8 week prop cycle. especially when it'll take a couple weeks for the cyp to kick in. plus the weight of the longer ester of cyp means less % of testosterone so 400mg of prop isnt that different from 500mg of enth or cyp. maybe a 12 week cycle of cyp would make more sense i guess but id have to buy 3 10ml vials for that. (not thaat i cant get it)

and i already have the anavar so i dont wanna wait a whole year or 2 for my 2nd cycle (if i run a 2nd) to use it. i see first time users adding dbol or tbol to their cycles so i figured if anavar is so mild then why not?

i appreciate all the advice because this information is invaluable to me

 

[VictorZ06]

As for the prop, some like to use it to frontload. I wouldn't recommend a first timer to do so, but it is an option. Some front with an oral, others front with test prop when using longer ester tests.



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[D-Lats]

i just dont see how a 10 week cyp cycle at 500mg a week is that much different from an 8 week prop cycle. especially when it'll take a couple weeks for the cyp to kick in. plus the weight of the longer ester of cyp means less % of testosterone so 400mg of prop isnt that different from 500mg of enth or cyp. maybe a 12 week cycle of cyp would make more sense i guess but id have to buy 3 10ml vials for that. (not thaat i cant get it)

and i already have the anavar so i dont wanna wait a whole year or 2 for my 2nd cycle (if i run a 2nd) to use it. i see first time users adding dbol or tbol to their cycles so i figured if anavar is so mild then why not?

i appreciate all the advice because this information is invaluable to me

Sorry bro I'm not telling you what to do. Just my opinion. Like I said prop kinda sucks til you are used to pinning. D Bol is often thrown in as a kicker because of its mass gaining effects. Anavar is mild and thi it does yield quality gains they are minimal in comparison to the much cheaper dbol. So it's just an option I through out there good luck on your cycle.

 

[alphabolic]

So if Im hearing this right there is NO WAY I can utilize my 4 10ml vials of prop for my first cycle considering all the serms ai's hcg and anavar I have? I gotta delay my cycle for the 4th straight month? I mean if that's the unanimous decision around here then so be it but i can't pretend like its not frustrating.

I know you guys aren't telling me what to do but when experienced aas users give me their advice I'm all ears.

 

[D-Lats]

So if Im hearing this right there us NO WAY I can utilize my 4 10ml vials of prop for my first cycle considering all the serms ai's hcg and anavar I have? I gotta delay my cycle for the 4th straight month? I mean if that's the unanimous decision around here then so be it buying can't pretend like its not frustrating.

I don't think Victor and I are saying that exactly just suggesting that prop is very uncomfortable and demanding due to the mountainous pinning schedule.

 

[VictorZ06]

So if Im hearing this right there is NO WAY I can utilize my 4 10ml vials of prop for my first cycle considering all the serms ai's hcg and anavar I have? I gotta delay my cycle for the 4th straight month? I mean if that's the unanimous decision around here then so be it but i can't pretend like its not frustrating.

I know you guys aren't telling me what to do but when experienced aas users give me their advice I'm all ears.

Just get some cyp or enan from one of our sponsors here...delivery times are often under a week, so you won't have to wait a whole month.



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[ZECH]

Even though you may get used to pinning, it's still a pain in the ass. (no pun intended)
So everday or eod can get old quick, even for experienced users. And with prop, most of it hurts and you stay sore as shit, so you don't look forward to pinning.

 

[D-Lats]

Even though you may get used to pinning, it's still a pain in the ass. (no pun intended)
So everday or eod can get old quick, even for experienced users. And with prop, most of it hurts and you stay sore as shit, so you don't look forward to pinning.

This is what I was trying to say. Prop is awesome and works great.

 

[TGB1987]

I don't feel that 8 weeks of test P is that bad of a cycle. Test P is also stronger per mg than test c or e. I know some guys that like the shorter cycles with shorter time off in between and prop does kick in right away to get a nice amount of gains. I wouldn't advice using Test P for a whole cycle unless you have more experience. That being said vic and dg806 are right about using prop for a first cycle it is not advised just because of the frequent injections and pain. Also some people get test flu from prop which really can make you feel shitty. I would definetly prefer using a test cyp or enanth unless you are going to be preping for a contest or frontloading. alphabolic I would like to recommend that you order some test cyp or enanth. and use the test prop you have for the first 3 weeks along with the test C or E to kickstart your cycle. I would do a 10-12 wk cycle. I normally don't recommend more than just test for a first cycle because using test only let's you see how your body reacts to the test but you will still be taking test alone just different esters. This way you can experience the frequent injections of prop as well as get a jump to your cycle. Save the rest of the Prop and var for the next cycle. As for AI , I would use aromasin for on cycle and PCT. Like vic said adex can be used in place of aromasin for on cycle but I prefer to make it easy and use aromasin for both. For PCT run aromasin at 25/25/25/12.5 ed for weeks 1-4 with clomid at 100/100/75/50 ed for weeks 1-4.

 

[alphabolic]

I don't feel that 8 weeks of test P is that bad of a cycle. Test P is also stronger per mg than test c or e. I know some guys that like the shorter cycles with shorter time off in between and prop does kick in right away to get a nice amount of gains. I wouldn't advice using Test P for a whole cycle unless you have more experience. That being said vic and dg806 are right about using prop for a first cycle it is not advised just because of the frequent injections and pain. Also some people get test flu from prop which really can make you feel shitty. I would definetly prefer using a test cyp or enanth unless you are going to be preping for a contest or frontloading. alphabolic I would like to recommend that you order some test cyp or enanth. and use the test prop you have for the first 3 weeks along with the test C or E to kickstart your cycle. I would do a 10-12 wk cycle. I normally don't recommend more than just test for a first cycle because using test only let's you see how your body reacts to the test but you will still be taking test alone just different esters. This way you can experience the frequent injections of prop as well as get a jump to your cycle. Save the rest of the Prop and var for the next cycle. As for AI , I would use aromasin for on cycle and PCT. Like vic said adex can be used in place of aromasin for on cycle but I prefer to make it easy and use aromasin for both. For PCT run aromasin at 25/25/25/12.5 ed for weeks 1-4 with clomid at 100/100/75/50 ed for weeks 1-4.

yea i see what you're saying. i thought in the beginning i'd just muscle through the prop since i can stop it fast if sides get outta hand. and also because i could run it for 8 weeks instead of 10-12. i can get 2-3 vials of enth but i already placed an order and just dont like making a ton of them you know? if i do im going domestic because waiting for international orders gets old fast. so im gonna decide whether im gonna go with the prop i have or pick up some enth.

im not sure i'd wanna run some of the prop i have to kick-start an enanthate cycle because it seems like i'd just be guessing where my test levels are at when the enanthate kicks in. idk man i over-analyze this shit at a unhealthy level haha. starting to wish i started with test-e in the first place dammit...we'll see what happens.

once again i appreciate all the advice

 

[Vibrant]

I'm actually 3 weeks in of my 8 week test prop cycle. I pin eod into my glutes and I barely get any soreness. I've gained about 5 pounds so far and I don't have any sides. I might add tbol for the last 3 weeks at 40mg daily. Imo you should really take a look at your goals and then it would be easier for you to plan a cycle.

 

[alphabolic]

I'm actually 3 weeks in of my 8 week test prop cycle. I pin eod into my glutes and I barely get any soreness. I've gained about 5 pounds so far and I don't have any sides. I might add tbol for the last 3 weeks at 40mg daily. Imo you should really take a look at your goals and then it would be easier for you to plan a cycle.

well im 5'11 204 pounds at 13% bf and not trying to add THAT much size like most aas beginners want to do. if i come out of this 8 week prop cycle at 350-400mg a week with 8-15 pounds of lean mass kept + some muscle hardness when it's all said and done i'll be more than happy.

i know prop is gonna hurt no matter what but at least it's GP prop which is top notch and from what i heard easier to pin than most UG labs.

 

[ParadiseCup]

Here are some great cycles planes!

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/world-pharma/123360-world-pharma-cycles.html

great cycle plans here ^^

 

[jake9908]

i thought about using test e but i need to be able to run and swim as well so the water retention and extra weight is ganna slow me down more than i would like. Will the aas slow me down alot or do you think i will be able to keep my cardiovascular endurance up while running prop and maybe winny