For discussion, how much is this costing?

[John H.]

Aghhh, die you heathen bitch! *insert stabbing smiley*

Ahem, that wasnt meant to piss off any Catholics, just messing around

Hi Eggs,

Wonder why there is no "stabbing smiley"?

Take Care, John H.

 

[DOMS]

Cfs,

You always go off the deep end don;t you?

ANYONE that thinks this "celebration" is NOT WAY OUT AND WASTEFUL is screwy. If possible, ask GOD Himself what HE thinks about all this. ....

Africa IS NOT the only place in the world where there are NEEDY CHILDREN. And yes I do make damn sure CHILDREN benefit well from MY efforts.

John H.

So, have you sold all of your possessions and given them to the poor? I doubt it. With your line of reasoning, why don't all rich people divide up thiner wealth equally to all. That's called communism and it doesn't work.

So, you have a problem with the Catholics spending money to honor their dead leader? Did you ever think that maybe it gives the Catholic people closure? That perhaps, for active Catholics, the death of the Pope is a deeply religious experience. In the end it's Catholics spending the money of Catholics on Catholics. Or maybe in your messed up mind, money should never be spent beyond the basics (food, clothing, and shelter) and practical stuff? Well fuck, let's just shut down the Make a Wish Foundation, those little fuckers are dying anyway so it's a waste of money. After all, that money could be better spent feeding, clothing, and housing children who are going to live, right?

Right?

 

[Dale Mabry]

I say a younger pope is in order, why mourn every 25 years when you can mourn every 50? I would do it, but I already gave at the office and I am not reading the bible. I would watch the Passion, though.

 

[gococksDJS]

What a surprise, another dumbass post by John H. You may not like the Pope and think he is the devil, but for millions of people around the world, he is the Holiest man alive, and being in his presence for them is the closest thing to being with God. I don't give a shit about what you think about God, but people do believe in God, and to give the holiest man in the Catholic faith anything less than a respectful, deserving burial would show more disrespect than I can imagine. He devoted his life to serving others, and JUST LIKE YOU he expressed his beliefs to everyone despite the criticism he recieved, and he always did what he felt needed to be done for the good of the church, and I greatly respect him.

And John H, what about the millions and millions of dollars that are being spent on lawsuits dealing with gay marriage? Is it more important in your eyes for gays to marry than to feed the starving children of the world? After all, marriage is just a promise to be faithful, so why is it necessary to file endless lawsuits against the government? You can argue with this how you want, but you can't criticize the popes burial ceremony and say "give the money to the kids" if you don't feel the same about all the money the government is spending on gay marriage lawsuits. If the pope was the head of a huge gay orgainization, I guarantee you wouldn't be complaining. You and Minotaur are the two most hypocritical gay people ive ever heard of in my life, and do nothing but give homosexuals a bad name.

 

[John H.]

Re-read what I said. CAREFULLY.

Or go back go back to school and learn how.

John H.

 

[John H.]

So, have you sold all of your possessions and given them to the poor? I doubt it. With your line of reasoning, why don't all rich people divide up thiner wealth equally to all. That's called communism and it doesn't work.

So, you have a problem with the Catholics spending money to honor their dead leader? Did you ever think that maybe it gives the Catholic people closure? That perhaps, for active Catholics, the death of the Pope is a deeply religious experience. In the end it's Catholics spending the money of Catholics on Catholics. Or maybe in your messed up mind, money should never be spent beyond the basics (food, clothing, and shelter) and practical stuff? Well fuck, let's just shut down the Make a Wish Foundation, those little fuckers are dying anyway so it's a waste of money. After all, that money could be better spent feeding, clothing, and housing children who are going to live, right?

Right?

Cfs,

Like I said, you go off on the deep end. From you I expect it.

John H.

 

[gococksDJS]

Cfs,

I'd like to see you stand before God Himself and say to Him what you just said. You'd LET little children DIE "because they are going to die anyway"?

And you call yourself a "christian"?

And you see no problem spending an ENORMOUS amount of money on the death of the pope and the energy that is wasted on all this just so YOU can "feel good"?

And you say I have problems?

Like I said, you go off the deep end. BIGTIME.

John H.

]
Well John H, you didn't respond to my statement. Would you be willing to stand before God Himself and say that gay marriage was more important to you than the life of a child? Or would you be willing to say to him that the money your buddy Dr. Kesey, or whoever it was, spent on a study devoted to molesting children was more important than the life of a child? You are such a hypocritical person and you always preach open mindedness and all that bullshit, but why not just tell the truth. You really just want everyone to agree completely with you, and if they don't, then they are unexperienced and arrogant in your mind. You without a doubt have huge problems, because despite the fact that you spit all your open mind bullshit, you have no tolerance for acceptance unless it's the same view as your own.

 

[DOMS]

Re-read what I said. CAREFULLY.

Or go back go back to school and learn how.

John H.

Your head is so fucking dense I'm surprised it has collapsed in on itself, creating a black hole.

 

[bio-chem]

Hi Craig,

I stand by what I said.

Take Care, John H.

we would expect nothing else from a close minded hardliner like you john

 

[bio-chem]

Re-read what I said. CAREFULLY.

Or go back go back to school and learn how.

John H.

little advice john boy, dont talk trash on someones schooling in the same post that you make gramatical mistakes.

hukd on fonics wrked for me.

 

[bio-chem]

and by the way john boy, any true, open and honest study of economics will answer your oriiginal question. truely and honestly.

 

[Dale Mabry]

little advice john boy, dont talk trash on someones schooling in the same post that you make gramatical mistakes.

hukd on fonics wrked for me.

Sound advice!

and by the way john boy, any true, open and honest study of economics will answer your oriiginal question. truely and honestly.

Even more sound advice would be to learn how to spell truly before using it in a post following grammar advice.

 

[fantasma62]

See John?
I knew that when I came back here after being gone for a while, you'd post something about the pope. I could have bet my house and I would have won. Damn it, I could have been a millionaire John.
See, I knew that you couldn't let a man die in peace. Nope, not you. You were going to do you usual attack of Religion and its people when this happened. I mean, it's like someone gave this to you on a silver platter and said: "John, the pope is dead, knock yourself out".
Just because the Pope didn't appreciate bisexuals, doesn't mean that he's all bad. He did some good, he worried for and helped the poor while alive.
I have no beef with him. You on the other hand, hate him because he won't accept bisexualism. Do you also hate me because I am hetero? Because I don't care for bisexualism?
Dr Kinsey? No, he's good, he helped the hungry and the weak....oh no, wait, he didn't, but he's Ok with you because he helped the sexual revolution and made bisexualism and homosexualism acceptable ("not that there is anything wrong with that" from Seinfeld).
What do you care how much they are spending? It's in ITALY not here. I have learned not to care about what happens outside the US because it doesn't affect me. If something happens to my kids, I worry. The pope dies and ITALIANS spend quadrillions of dollars to bury him, that's their problem.
The truth is John that you don't really give a crap either. You have your own family and animals to worry about. You don't care about children dying, you just care about is imparting hatred, just as you say religion does.
Let the man rest in peace, have some respect for the dead, whether it's a Pope or a normal person.
Most of the world venerates him, you, hate him for not accepting what's NATURAL and of NATURE. For not having an OPEN mind to your sexuality.
Give it a rest, it's getting old buddy...

 

[John H.]

]
Well John H, you didn't respond to my statement. Would you be willing to stand before God Himself and say that gay marriage was more important to you than the life of a child? Or would you be willing to say to him that the money your buddy Dr. Kesey, or whoever it was, spent on a study devoted to molesting children was more important than the life of a child? You are such a hypocritical person and you always preach open mindedness and all that bullshit, but why not just tell the truth. You really just want everyone to agree completely with you, and if they don't, then they are unexperienced and arrogant in your mind. You without a doubt have huge problems, because despite the fact that you spit all your open mind bullshit, you have no tolerance for acceptance unless it's the same view as your own.

Gococks,

You are so far off base and completely wrong on what you are saying...

And it has nothing to do with what I said. As for Dr. Kinsey and his work it has stood the test of time and that of a lot of zealots like yourself.
I know that truth upsets you...

I notice the increase in hatred being displayed by the "religious zealots". How "christian" of you...

John H.

 

[fantasma62]

John, by the way, don't just beat on the pope. What are your comments regarding Prince (or King) Rainier of Monaco, who passed away yesterday?
You think the pope's burial and funeral are oppulent? Wait until one of the richest people in the world gets viewed and buried. I want to see a full report from John about how this money is being spent unnecessarily and how it should be used to feed the children.
Comments please....

 

[gococksDJS]

Gococks,

You are so far off base and completely wrong on what you are saying...

And it has nothing to do with what I said. As for Dr. Kinsey and his work it has stood the test of time and that of a lot of zealots like yourself.
I know that truth upsets you...

I notice the increase in hatred being displayed by the "religious zealots". How "christian" of you...

John H.

John H, I am not off in any way. You are just afraid to admit that something that clashes with your own twisted beliefs is true. If I would have said take the money from the Pope's funeral and put it into raising gay awareness, you would have no problem. In an attempt to ease your self-centered, obtuse mind I will explain how funding the Popes funeral is decided. Now this isn't an open minded vision, or a moment of clarity that came to me while thinking of pedophilic homosexual revolutionaries like Dr. Kinsey, who you obviously show a strong affinity for. This is an official church document, so you can not argue against it, so you actually might have to (GASP!!) accept something that you don't agree with.

The Catholic Document titled Ordo Esxeqiarum Romani Pontificis, or The Order of Service for the burial of a Pontiff specifies the duties of the College of Cardinals during Novemdiales, or the 9 days of mourning and prayer for the deceased Pope. They plan the funeral and destroy the Papal ring. One of their duties is to take care of the finances. The fundings come from within the church, not from your pocket like you act like. The US government does not pay for this. The Vatican is an observing city state that is recognized by the UN, so even if the funeral was paid for with taxes, it wouldn't come from you ya selfish prick. Some of the Church's money does come from investments, but a large amount is through tithes. So basically, Catholics are paying for his funeral, and I know you've never given a dime to the catholic church so quit your incessant bitching, and let a man who did more for the people of this world than your arrogant mind will ever be able to comprehend, rest in peace. If he had embraced homosexuality and fought for gays rights, you would love him, but he opposed it, and here you are bitching like a 16 year old girl who can't borrow Daddy's car Saturday night, which is yet another example of your self-centered idealistic view on the world.

 

[maniclion]

John Holmes(wanna be),

We're human, we work on a rewards based nature, we want something for all the hardwork we do and many times something for nothing. Everyone knows there are starving children everywhere around the world yet they continue looking out for number 1. We're animals plain and simple. Survival is our main trip and making sure only the fittest survive is hardwired into our structure, in these times money means food and shelter the more you have the more secure you feel sadly some never have enough to make themselves feel secure so they horde ridiculous amounts. Now the crazy part comes in, some of us reach a point where we feel comfortable and decide to try to make the less comfortable more comfortable, but then that comes back to our rewards, we get a good feeling from helping and some get addicted to that feeling until it means more than security of wealth.


Along the lines of the Pope being all decked out and crap, yeah to me it falls close to idolatry, but in the name of freedom they can do what they like. They think they're doing the right thing so let it be. They aren't hurting me or mine and if you're worried about them spending your taxes on sending the Pres. then just pretend that they used all of your tax dollars on a National Forest and everything is peachy.

 

[bio-chem]

Sound advice!



Even more sound advice would be to learn how to spell truly before using it in a post following grammar advice.

ill keep that in mind

 

[Eggs]

Dear Pope, dear pope,
where is your money?
Give it here,
I dont find it funny!

You owe me and mine,
and all the kids too,
how dare you be you,
I guess I'll just sue!

Saying you hate,
All the perverts and gays,
and who are you,
to condemn my ways?

I like men,
and they like me..
and its my decision
to love the peepee.

So how dare you judge me,
I'm just natures toy,
who the hell needs a girl,
when I can have me a boy?

Your beliefs dont touch me,
that isnt your right,
this is a free country,
for my gayness I'll fight!

I'll question your motives,
your heart and belief,
but if you didnt answer,
that'd be a relief!

Because I dont make sense,
I just moan and I groan,
so let me be gay
or your hearts made of stone.



Ahem, no reason to get anybody worked up about this. I'm a little bored.

 

[John H.]

John, by the way, don't just beat on the pope. What are your comments regarding Prince (or King) Rainier of Monaco, who passed away yesterday?
You think the pope's burial and funeral are oppulent? Wait until one of the richest people in the world gets viewed and buried. I want to see a full report from John about how this money is being spent unnecessarily and how it should be used to feed the children.
Comments please....

Hi Tony,

ABSOLUTELY!!! And I have said so. I did with Ronald Reagan for example. As for the Prince, I have not gotten there yet but I will.

God KNOWS what I am talking about.

I would have had much more respect for the Pope if he had said before he died that he DID NOT WANT a big ceremony and wanted a simple burial and have the money go to those TRULY in need around the world. Especially the CHILDREN. That IS what Christ TAUGHT.

Take Care, John H.

 

[Eggs]

The funeral isnt for him John, its for the believers of the Catholic religion. I know its really hard to understand because you arent Catholic, but the peope of the Catholic faith need closure, and this is one of the ways they get it.

The Pope dead, I dont really think he cares whether they throw his corpse in a burning fire or put it in a coffin. According to his beliefs, he is in a place now where that doesnt mean much.

 

[DOMS]

God KNOWS what I am talking about.

No, really...God knows what you're talking about...

 

[fantasma62]

Hey John, let's not forget Prince Charles' upcoming nuptials. How much money will be spent there?

C'mon bud, if you are going to go after a dead man for the oppulence of his funeral, then the second most expensive nuptials (I don't even want to presume to know what was spent in his first wedding) in the history of England (I am presuming) and maybe the world has got to be right up in the list of people you want to criticize.
So far, I haven't heard you say anything more about Rainier than what you said. I am eagerly waiting for you to "get there"

 

[John H.]

The funeral isnt for him John, its for the believers of the Catholic religion. I know its really hard to understand because you arent Catholic, but the peope of the Catholic faith need closure, and this is one of the ways they get it.

The Pope dead, I dont really think he cares whether they throw his corpse in a burning fire or put it in a coffin. According to his beliefs, he is in a place now where that doesnt mean much.

Hi Eggs,

The pope IS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL - a MAN. Just like you and I. A politican too.

By having something this excessive is not going by what they "say" they believe - it is not practicing what is "preached".

And certainly if the pope followed the teachings of Christ and God he would say just bury me simply and take care of those least able to take care of themselves - the children. The life someone leads should speak for itself. You do not (meaning anyone) need to go off the deep end "proving" "someone's worth" - their actions speak for it.

Just because I am not catholic does not mean I do not know what they are doing and why. Same with anything else. Take away the huge expensive buildings, the expensive ceremonies, the expensive pomp, etc. and you have the basics which IS what God and Christ taught we are told. Having a lot of pictures, huge ceremonies, huge buildings, expensive "trappings" I think begin to take on a life of its own and REPLACE the real meaning... What they say by their actions is that it is ok for children to starve of hunger and need as long as we can have our celebrations - so we loose a few...

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

John, by the way, don't just beat on the pope. What are your comments regarding Prince (or King) Rainier of Monaco, who passed away yesterday?
You think the pope's burial and funeral are oppulent? Wait until one of the richest people in the world gets viewed and buried. I want to see a full report from John about how this money is being spent unnecessarily and how it should be used to feed the children.
Comments please....

Hi Tony,

I know. The same applies here too.

I have no problem with people having SOME things but some of these people have so damn much and couldn't care less about anyone but themselves...

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

John H, I am not off in any way. You are just afraid to admit that something that clashes with your own twisted beliefs is true. If I would have said take the money from the Pope's funeral and put it into raising gay awareness, you would have no problem. In an attempt to ease your self-centered, obtuse mind I will explain how funding the Popes funeral is decided. Now this isn't an open minded vision, or a moment of clarity that came to me while thinking of pedophilic homosexual revolutionaries like Dr. Kinsey, who you obviously show a strong affinity for. This is an official church document, so you can not argue against it, so you actually might have to (GASP!!) accept something that you don't agree with.

The Catholic Document titled Ordo Esxeqiarum Romani Pontificis, or The Order of Service for the burial of a Pontiff specifies the duties of the College of Cardinals during Novemdiales, or the 9 days of mourning and prayer for the deceased Pope. They plan the funeral and destroy the Papal ring. One of their duties is to take care of the finances. The fundings come from within the church, not from your pocket like you act like. The US government does not pay for this. The Vatican is an observing city state that is recognized by the UN, so even if the funeral was paid for with taxes, it wouldn't come from you ya selfish prick. Some of the Church's money does come from investments, but a large amount is through tithes. So basically, Catholics are paying for his funeral, and I know you've never given a dime to the catholic church so quit your incessant bitching, and let a man who did more for the people of this world than your arrogant mind will ever be able to comprehend, rest in peace. If he had embraced homosexuality and fought for gays rights, you would love him, but he opposed it, and here you are bitching like a 16 year old girl who can't borrow Daddy's car Saturday night, which is yet another example of your self-centered idealistic view on the world.

Gogcocks,

You are drowning in your own bull.

I never said anything about fund-raising for Gays. I am talking about CHILDREN. The least able to provide for themselves.

That "official document" you speak of is a POLITICAL DOCUMENT. MAN-MADE. A ceremony that was very small and quiet could just as easily have been created and meant much more. The pomp is "put on" and begins to have a life of its own. I remember when very few religious pictures, articles, etc. were available and almost no one had them. Now you see them all over the place - the articles THEMSELVES are taking on more meaning than the actual teachings they profess to "believe in". That "document" your speak of is proof of that. The more "glory, pomp, excess" - it is outrageous and wrong and extremely excessive. It IS a "creation" of a "belief" that is NOT FACT. It is a form of INSANITY. EXTREMISM. DESPIRATION!!

Dr. Kinsey's work WAS OPEN-MINDED AND VERY OBJECTIVE and has stood the test of time over and over and over again which is why the "religious right" was so damning of it - BECAUSE it QUESTIONED and PROVED WRONG the "religious right". It put the "religious right" in the spot and in the spotlight of lying. Anytime someone gets that upset about something when the TRUTH is told people do get really upset in an effort to try to cover themselves up or have a way to justify the falsehood they postulate.

"Official document"? Hell the Communist manifesto was an "official document" too - that does NOT make it right or proper or truthful!

The "funds come from within the church..." who provides the church with the funds - THE PEOPLE DO. The US government DOES pay for the President and anyone who goes to the funeral - and they get that money FROM THE PEOPLE. The security provided comes from the funds PROVIDED BY THE PEOPLE. The souvenirs sold comes from the money provided by the people....

The pope is not quoting God and Christ when he is against BiSexuality and Homosexuality. Or Heterosexuality. God NEVER SAID. Christ NEVER SAID anything against them. MAN has made statements NOT GOD NOT CHRIST. The pope also opposes the marriage of priests yet there is NO statements from God or Christ that say that ever. It also is a MAN-MADE prohibition. "Religion" is a MAN-MADE CREATION.

John H.

 

[John H.]

John Holmes(wanna be),

We're human, we work on a rewards based nature, we want something for all the hardwork we do and many times something for nothing. Everyone knows there are starving children everywhere around the world yet they continue looking out for number 1. We're animals plain and simple. Survival is our main trip and making sure only the fittest survive is hardwired into our structure, in these times money means food and shelter the more you have the more secure you feel sadly some never have enough to make themselves feel secure so they horde ridiculous amounts. Now the crazy part comes in, some of us reach a point where we feel comfortable and decide to try to make the less comfortable more comfortable, but then that comes back to our rewards, we get a good feeling from helping and some get addicted to that feeling until it means more than security of wealth.


Along the lines of the Pope being all decked out and crap, yeah to me it falls close to idolatry, but in the name of freedom they can do what they like. They think they're doing the right thing so let it be. They aren't hurting me or mine and if you're worried about them spending your taxes on sending the Pres. then just pretend that they used all of your tax dollars on a National Forest and everything is peachy.

Hi Maniclion,

"John Holmes" wanna be? Where does that come from? I never said nor implied that. John Holmes had a 14 incher we are told. I am not that big. Almost four inches shorter actually.

You statements above about those more fortunate - I am aware of that. It is no different that what I was speaking to. "Religion" speaks to taking care of those less fortunate but in REALITY they take care of themselves MORE as evidenced by their excesses and it is contrary to what they say God and Christ taught. Christ had nothing. So then why the need for the churches to HAVE SO MUCH while children go without throughout the world? See what I am saying? "Religion" speaks with "forked tongues".

IDOLATRY? You bet!

Remember too, I was NOT ASKING "for myself" but FOR THE CHILDEN IN NEED. So why then does "religion" cause and perpetuate MORE to be born when we can not even take care of those we now have? "Religion" causes this. And reckless people. Yet we have all kinds of money "to celebrate"...

Take Care, John H.

 

[bio-chem]

john its kind of scary that there is someone out there who can blind themselves to the truth as you have. to wrap yourself so much in hatred that you cannot see things for what they really are is sad. before you go on and n about where the catholic church should spend their money (something you are in no way qualified to do) maybe become educated a little bit on the subject first by researching how much they spend on charitable causes. i think you will be suprised with what you find out

 

[Eggs]

I've got $5 that within the next couple years John will strap a bomb to himself and blow somee shit up. Any takers?

 

[ponyboy]

Too bad there's no waving money smiley.