Getting Clean...

[tech123]

its heroin. smoking pot and drinking will do nothing to rellive withdrawl symptoms.

This is true. Even if you have all the comfort meds listed in all of the 'home kick remedy' threads on the drug forums, it's heroin, you're still going to kick hard as fuck. Some people do get really bad anxiety when they are going through withdrawals, so it might help some with that particular symptom. You're still going to have that unbearable RLS / kicking feeling that will make sleep damn near impossible regardless of what sleep meds you have, the full body chills / sweats, fever dreams when you do sleep, body aches, etc.

I always suggest going to a free medical detox if money's an issue. If you have insurance, that's even better - you can find some with 5-7 day programs that use IV Buprenorphine to do a quick taper.

Probably the easiest way to kick if you're not going to a detox is to find some suboxone and taper off as quickly as possible. Some people have great success tapering right off of it, other people get hooked on the subs (i.e., after the tapering period ends they experience the milder withdrawal symptoms that subs are known for). I wouldn't recommend methadone to anyone unless it's just a quality of living thing (if you've been a homeless heroin addict the last twenty years and you're probably going to die from your addiction, methadone may be the drug for you). I would recommend suboxone to some people. If your lifestyle is such that you can't completely cut yourself off from other people who use heroin, then this might be a good alternative. I know from firsthand experience that a person can be 100% functional on suboxone. After you see your doctor a few times, you only go once or twice a month. The clinics tend to be in normal offices, not in the same neighborhoods where you go to score heroin like the methadone clinics. It's an okay fix for a fucking horrible problem. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[tech123]

Besides Roids I never did a thing in my life, not even pot. Go big or go home right? Lol

I've been popping a few sleeping pills right when I get home so for the most part I have been a sleep as much as possible, guess it's a nice way to avoid the fevers, leg and back pain, puking, cold chills, cold sweats and mostly the unreal insomnia that comes with withdraw.


Currently using nothing. Trying to keep a clean path at the moment.

That's the key for sure - whatever you can do to get sleep or even just sort of half-sleep gets you closer to being through it. With me it usually got a little worse each day for about 3 days, then it got a little better each day after that, until I started feeling okay again.

 

[Thresh]

This is true. Even if you have all the comfort meds listed in all of the 'home kick remedy' threads on the drug forums, it's heroin, you're still going to kick hard as fuck. Some people do get really bad anxiety when they are going through withdrawals, so it might help some with that particular symptom. You're still going to have that unbearable RLS / kicking feeling that will make sleep damn near impossible regardless of what sleep meds you have, the full body chills / sweats, fever dreams when you do sleep, body aches, etc.

I always suggest going to a free medical detox if money's an issue. If you have insurance, that's even better - you can find some with 5-7 day programs that use IV Buprenorphine to do a quick taper.

Probably the easiest way to kick if you're not going to a detox is to find some suboxone and taper off as quickly as possible. Some people have great success tapering right off of it, other people get hooked on the subs (i.e., after the tapering period ends they experience the milder withdrawal symptoms that subs are known for). I wouldn't recommend methadone to anyone unless it's just a quality of living thing (if you've been a homeless heroin addict the last twenty years and you're probably going to die from your addiction, methadone may be the drug for you). I would recommend suboxone to some people. If your lifestyle is such that you can't completely cut yourself off from other people who use heroin, then this might be a good alternative. I know from firsthand experience that a person can be 100% functional on suboxone. After you see your doctor a few times, you only go once or twice a month. The clinics tend to be in normal offices, not in the same neighborhoods where you go to score heroin like the methadone clinics. It's an okay fix for a fucking horrible problem. Nothing more, nothing less.

I have access to suboxone, haven't taken any of it yet though.


Currently using nothing. Trying to keep a clean path at the moment.

 

[Thresh]

That's the key for sure - whatever you can do to get sleep or even just sort of half-sleep gets you closer to being through it. With me it usually got a little worse each day for about 3 days, then it got a little better each day after that, until I started feeling okay again.

Sleeping is definitely a battle. No matter how high the AC is running I'm just always hot, restless and uncomfortable.


Currently using nothing. Trying to keep a clean path at the moment.

 

[dirtbiker666]

I was in the middle of withdraws and I caved in about 3 hours ago and took a hit and taking a hit ends withdraws almost instantly.

My girl that I live with does it as well, so it's a battle for both of us.

Took a hit ?? Like shot it or what I am not familiar with your lingo..Straight up your girl has to go. If you are serious about quitting and she knows this you have to walk away until your strong enough to be around her. If she is not ready to quit your never going to.

I like your quote!

Thanks

So I could be totally wrong here, but why not smoke pot and drink until the physical addiction goes away? Seems like you could pass out with some beers and mask the symptoms with pot. I know it won't totally get rid of withdrawal but it would help.

When I have to quit smoking or drinking or whatever I first try to replace it so my mind isn't bored thinking about what I'm not using. Then after the physical addiction is gone it's easier to deal with it and if you end up smoking weed you just traded down and weed is easy to quit. JMO I'm not a doctor. Good luck.

Yea your totally wrong it makes it worse if anything.

I have access to suboxone, haven't taken any of it yet though.

Most addicts hate suboxene no offense. The reason most people don't like to take it is in case there is a slight chance they might want to dabble or get high again since it will effect your high if you have been using it for a few days the next time you do.



EDIT....My post got all fucked up. Quick question I am a bit slow but do I really have to copy and paste to multi quote ?

 

[Thresh]

Yes a hit is another injection. She quit as well, we were doing it together and quitting together. My withdraw symptoms seem like they are gone. Tapering down seemed to work best, withdraw severity can be linked to the size of your last dosage. So if you go big you crash big.


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[Thresh]

I suck......


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[Thresh]

Well I caved in and did some more.

And a puked at least 6 times and had no enjoyable high. Guess quitting will be no problem because my body just rejected it all, I'm actually happy about this. I tossed the rest of it in the trash with no regrets!


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[CG]

Well I caved in and did some more.

And a puked at least 6 times and had no enjoyable high. Guess quitting will be no problem because my body just rejected it all, I'm actually happy about this. I tossed the rest of it in the trash with no regrets!


Currently using nothing. Trying to keep a clean path at the moment.

It sucks to hear you fell off brother. But I am somewhat happy to hear you were able to toss the junk. Its a hard fight, just stay strong

 

[Thresh]

It sucks to hear you fell off brother. But I am somewhat happy to hear you were able to toss the junk. Its a hard fight, just stay strong

Yeah it is....


Currently using nothing. Trying to keep a clean path at the moment.

 

[Nightowl]

This is a tough battle, one that might leave you dead if your dedication is not truly met. Your falling off and then tossing the junk is one thing, but your inner self may need to meet up with those that have fought this battle and have conquered it... Meaning, seek out some with more guidance, and see if this in turn can help you through the trying times. Your depending upon maybe too little and not being mean, for I know here is filled with many friends or those with wise words, but out there is sometimes too overwhelming and leaving you too vulnerable. Good Luck!

 

[njc]

So I could be totally wrong here, but why not smoke pot and drink until the physical addiction goes away? Seems like you could pass out with some beers and mask the symptoms with pot. I know it won't totally get rid of withdrawal but it would help.

When I have to quit smoking or drinking or whatever I first try to replace it so my mind isn't bored thinking about what I'm not using. Then after the physical addiction is gone it's easier to deal with it and if you end up smoking weed you just traded down and weed is easy to quit. JMO I'm not a doctor. Good luck.

It might make you temporarily feel better but once the hangover starts you are 20 times as miserable as before. Anxiety city.

 

[Wanna_B_Bigger]

IBOGAINE... There are a few people that offer this treatment although you may have to leave the country for it.

 

[andyrodgers]

best of luck and just keep it up

 

[njc]

OP try researching and looking up Kratom powder. Its legal and it stimulates opiate receptors, just not too many people know about it. But there are people who are addicted to oxycodone and things of the sort and when they run out of oxy's they use Kratom to stave off side effects until they can get more oxys. You COULD consider getting some Kratom powder and using it until you get off and then taper off of the Kratom for a few days or so. Its certainly not going stop all of the withdrawal but it will definitely help. I was addicted to Tramadol and Kratom helped me quit bigtime. I know that Tramadol isnt heroin but the withdrawal is actually pretty severe.

 

[Thresh]

Got some AAS again. Getting back into the gym, get big again, get healthy.

Good luck to myself.

Took some suboxen or however it's spelled, 4mg. Withdraw sides gone within an hour.


Currently using nothing. Trying to keep a clean path at the moment.

 

[tech123]

Got some AAS again. Getting back into the gym, get big again, get healthy.

Good luck to myself.

Took some suboxen or however it's spelled, 4mg. Withdraw sides gone within an hour.


Currently using nothing. Trying to keep a clean path at the moment.

Glad to hear you're still around and working on this stuff.

What's your plan with the suboxone (taper or maintenance)?

If you're planning to taper, try to do it over a period of 5-7 days if possible. If you go longer than that it gets harder to wean off of it (if you go shorter than like 3-4 days, you'll likely still be having primary withdrawals from the heroin). I've found it to be hit or miss with tapering off that stuff. The last time I actually managed to do it with one 8mg suboxone broken up into crumbs over 7 days. I only had shitty sleep for a week or two and some minor sweating issues for a week or so. I had been mainlining morphine, OC's and heroin for a few months at that point, just to give some perspective. I was honestly amazed it worked as well as it did that time (I started a new office job 3 days into it with no problems), but subs are ridiculously effective if you can get the dosing and taper correct.

If you decide to stay on the subs for a while, that's still 100% better than the other shit. You're not going to OD and die from subs since there is a ceiling effect around 24mg. Also, I had zero cravings for opiates while on subs - I was around the stuff every day and wasn't interested. I know plenty of guys who stayed on subs for a year or more, led perfectly productive, normal lives, and then slowly tapered off when their lives were straightened up a bit. Sometimes it's easier to do it that way, especially if you're not in a drug-free environment.

Either way, good luck man - feel free to reach out to me on PM if you want to talk or if I can help out at all.

 

[tech123]

IBOGAINE... There are a few people that offer this treatment although you may have to leave the country for it.

Interesting video. I remember reading up on this stuff a lot in the past. There is a medical facility just across the border in Mexico that offers airport pickup in San Diego I think.

What I thought was interesting about Ibogaine was that many users reported a similar type of vision - a god-like individual reached into their heads with its hands and re-wired their brain. This is essentially what occurs when ibogaine resets the receptors.

Similarly, Bill Wilson (of AA) participated (under medical supervision) in one of the early LSD trials - his goal was to find a dependable, reproducible way of causing an alcoholic to have the spiritual experience that he felt was key to ending a person's alcoholism. His spiritual experience had occurred quickly and he never touched alcohol again. Others didn't have such an acute experience - it occurred over time. Others didn't make it. I think he decided that LSD wasn't a dependable way of causing this spiritual awakening, so he didn't pursue it further.

 

[Thresh]

I took the suboxen when I had a really bad fever. I have no protocol or plan for it's usage. I used it the one time and that's it, completely clean and no withdraw symptoms.

Keeping the other half of the strip of suboxen with me just in case.


Thank you everyone for your support. It's great that I can turn to complete strangers and how you guys treat me like family and share your experiences. It has helped a lot. I might not post daily in this thread but I read the entire thread almost 5 times a day.


Currently using nothing. Trying to keep a clean path at the moment.

 

[NVRBDR]

Keep moving forward and stay focused on your goals and you will reach them.

 

[FTW34]

Soboxone can work wonders for you, Unfortnately people are stupid and end up dependant on them for years. When in reality a Suboxone detox can be one week, With everyday tapering the dosage. U will feel minor discomfort but nothing like going cold turkey. Trust Me.

If you cant get suboxone, Xanax can help u get some sleep, but it doesnt calm ur opiate receptors at all.

Good luck my friend i know how hard this can be. Potassium can help with the restless legs a little. Some Immodium if you get the shits, And there was a study a long time ago saying extremely high doses of vitamin C have been proven to calm opiate receptors during withdrawls

 

[Disturbed Old Man]

I like to start out by saying SORRY but I've been pretty sick and haven't been able to respond. You seem to be beating it and I like to say to I LOVE YOU for being so open it tells me and everyone else YOU WANT TO LIVE .... It's day to day re programing your mind is the hardest thing to do ...when your depressed when things aren't going your way you what to make the excuse to use... but you got to push through it and get to the next hard time and push through that I LOVE YOU I really do. I only wish I could be near you to prove it to you to huge you and tell you, your worth everything your doing. And your life is going to be WONDERFUL and this will be something you'll use to help someone else because only people like you and me can help anyone like you and me no rehab ASSHOLE can help it has to be someone who's gone through it. Keep writing and keep an open line to all of us there are some good people on here that will not let you down... WE LOVE YOU!!!!!! ,,, IT'S OUR LIFE AND YOU NEED TO FIGHT LIKE HELL BECAUSE YOUR WORTH IT... KEEP WRITING ,,IT HELPS TO LET IT OUT...WE ARE LISTENING

I took the suboxen when I had a really bad fever. I have no protocol or plan for it's usage. I used it the one time and that's it, completely clean and no withdraw symptoms.

Keeping the other half of the strip of suboxen with me just in case.


Thank you everyone for your support. It's great that I can turn to complete strangers and how you guys treat me like family and share your experiences. It has helped a lot. I might not post daily in this thread but I read the entire thread almost 5 times a day.


Currently using nothing. Trying to keep a clean path at the moment.

 

[Thresh]

I like to start out by saying SORRY but I've been pretty sick and haven't been able to respond. You seem to be beating it and I like to say to I LOVE YOU for being so open it tells me and everyone else YOU WANT TO LIVE .... It's day to day re programing your mind is the hardest thing to do ...when your depressed when things aren't going your way you what to make the excuse to use... but you got to push through it and get to the next hard time and push through that I LOVE YOU I really do. I only wish I could be near you to prove it to you to huge you and tell you, your worth everything your doing. And your life is going to be WONDERFUL and this will be something you'll use to help someone else because only people like you and me can help anyone like you and me no rehab ASSHOLE can help it has to be someone who's gone through it. Keep writing and keep an open line to all of us there are some good people on here that will not let you down... WE LOVE YOU!!!!!! ,,, IT'S OUR LIFE AND YOU NEED TO FIGHT LIKE HELL BECAUSE YOUR WORTH IT... KEEP WRITING ,,IT HELPS TO LET IT OUT...WE ARE LISTENING

Thank you very much for your words brother. I'm currently making phone calls trying to find a source for suboxone.


Currently using nothing. Trying to keep a clean path at the moment.

 

[FTW34]

Thresh Seriously Bro, U can be completely clean with no withdrawls, By taking suboxone for a week. and tapering down, Start with a full pill, next dat half pill, half pill, qaurter pill, qaurter pull, half a qaurter, half a qaurter, than none.

Suboxone dependancy can be just as bad as heroin dependency and when you lose a source u will want to relapse. Please take this advice. I know people who are on suboxone for years meanwhile i detoxed with suboxone in 5 days and i had a 12 bag a day habit.

 

[Thresh]

Thresh Seriously Bro, U can be completely clean with no withdrawls, By taking suboxone for a week. and tapering down, Start with a full pill, next dat half pill, half pill, qaurter pill, qaurter pull, half a qaurter, half a qaurter, than none.

Suboxone dependancy can be just as bad as heroin dependency and when you lose a source u will want to relapse. Please take this advice. I know people who are on suboxone for years meanwhile i detoxed with suboxone in 5 days and i had a 12 bag a day habit.

Im having trouble finding suboxone


Currently using nothing. Trying to keep a clean path at the moment.

 

[Thresh]

This shit have officially wrecked my life. Both me and the women been on the straight path. Dealing with withdraws, got some suboxone and tapered off. Came out 100% clean and healthy. Was at court today (her case, I have none) and she was applying for drug court, we both went to NA meetings I believe they are called. They said today, without warning of any kind, you failed a piss test in May, $150,000 bond, cuffed her and took her away. My heart sank into my fucking stomach. Fuck this fuxking bullshit system. She got accepted on my university and we were going to pick out her classes after court. The DA even forgot the paper work, so with no written evidence, no dates or times, nothing, she's now gone and I don't have 10k laying around. Fuck this fuckj g shit.

 

[tech123]

Sorry to hear about that, sounds like a horrible ordeal. It's good to hear that you and her are clean though.

Sometimes shit has to get worse before it gets better, but if you stay clean this stuff does get worked out eventually, and it does get better over time.

For example, I got arrested on the side of the turnpike 200 miles from home after taking my family to Disney World. I had my wife and 2 year old in the car. Had been clean for a year, thought all was well, and had a warrant in some county across the state. Had to post $15k cash bond because no one would bond me out under the circumstances. All told I'm out about $30k, countless hours, etc. but I'm finally getting off probation next month. My life has continued to improve even throughout that mess because I've continued to stay clean.

The point is - once you're interacting with the penal/judicial system, they get every fucking dime and drop of blood they can from you. All you can do is stay on the straight and narrow, don't fuck up even once (especially piss tests).

I'm guessing she violated her probation? Hopefully when she gets her VOP hearing or whatever they'll give her another chance. With that kind of bond, you're probably better off focusing on getting her a lawyer since you'll need one anyway, and see if he can schedule a bond reduction hearing as a first step.

 

[Thresh]

Sorry to hear about that, sounds like a horrible ordeal. It's good to hear that you and her are clean though.

Sometimes shit has to get worse before it gets better, but if you stay clean this stuff does get worked out eventually, and it does get better over time.

For example, I got arrested on the side of the turnpike 200 miles from home after taking my family to Disney World. I had my wife and 2 year old in the car. Had been clean for a year, thought all was well, and had a warrant in some county across the state. Had to post $15k cash bond because no one would bond me out under the circumstances. All told I'm out about $30k, countless hours, etc. but I'm finally getting off probation next month. My life has continued to improve even throughout that mess because I've continued to stay clean.

The point is - once you're interacting with the penal/judicial system, they get every fucking dime and drop of blood they can from you. All you can do is stay on the straight and narrow, don't fuck up even once (especially piss tests).

I'm guessing she violated her probation? Hopefully when she gets her VOP hearing or whatever they'll give her another chance. With that kind of bond, you're probably better off focusing on getting her a lawyer since you'll need one anyway, and see if he can schedule a bond reduction hearing as a first step.

I think it violates probation and or a previous bond. Best scenario is drug court application on Tuesday. Then 30 days inpatient. If that happens it will be drug court for 1-3 years (drug court is tough requirements, piss test 3x a week).

It sucks coming home to no one now, not seeing my girl, outrageous collect call fees. All this bullshit over possession charges in minor amounts.

 

[CG]

How hangs the hammer homeboy???

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[Thresh]

Been clean for a few weeks now!