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if i start a company and my product or service being top notch isn't my first concern i would expect to fail. the shareholder shit is not even second on what needs to matter for it to be successful. focus has to be on product, customer service including price.... and if i am an ungrateful, slave driving cheap shit to my my workers good fucking luck with that top notch product.... they will give me dick bread to sell. in the end my shareholders will suffer for that.
 
and yet those burger flippers or whatever are so easily replaced with a line around the block waiting for those jobs. Most of them teenagers too! :) At least where I live.

you obviously have not lived in any town where the whole town relied on one manufacturing giant and it sold out. i have. you'd be surprised how many of them there are. coming soon to a town near you maybe because people don't care about shit ruining lives all across the country till it get's to be their turn.
 
one of this countries top exports nowadays is trash... and China has started rejecting that. pretty fucking sad.
 
It is a totally different thought process than people have today, period.

only single mothers and the elderly can collect welfare.

and maybe it's also because the US economy of 2013 is totally different then it was 20-30 years ago? wages are flat, prices of goods and services increase at double the rate of the CPI and more then real GDP growth and the dollar isn't worth shit. the shift to a large service sector means the majority of jobs are low paying, there are no "options" in reality. you can trade on low paying job for another.

do you know what other country in the OECD has a large population and a service sector based economy that can't support the entire population? Mexico...the future of the US is right to our southern border
 
one of this countries top exports nowadays is trash... and China has started rejecting that. pretty fucking sad.

That and oil exports.
Believe it or not the U.S. is close to being the worlds largest oil exporter.

U.S. Becomes World
 
only single mothers and the elderly can collect welfare.

and maybe it's also because the US economy of 2013 is totally different then it was 20-30 years ago? wages are flat, prices of goods and services increase at double the rate of the CPI and more then real GDP growth and the dollar isn't worth shit. the shift to a large service sector means the majority of jobs are low paying, there are no "options" in reality. you can trade on low paying job for another.

do you know what other country in the OECD has a large population and a service sector based economy that can't support the entire population? Mexico...the future of the US is right to our southern border

LAM.
Will you stop confusing the conservative free market ideologists with facts?

Everyone that is a conservative free market ideologist knows it's the fault of the working poor that they are poor and that the one percent that has captured 93%+ of all income in the U.S. since the 2008 recession started means that the one percent will soon trickle down that income and that supply side economics combined with a rising tide will soon lift all boats.
Their yachts and everyone elses one oar rowboats.
 
Wow, people who don't make enough to support their family receive welfare? That's an amazing revelation.
 
Wow, people who don't make enough to support their family receive welfare? That's an amazing revelation.

According to conservative free market ideologists its their fault if they don't make enough to support their family and that they have to go on welfare.

Wal-Mart executives seem to understand the best solution to their low paid employees who have a lack of benefits.
They were kind enough to put in their employee handbooks directions to the nearest Government welfare office in all 50 states along with helpful instructions as to how to apply for taxpayer supplied welfare benefits.

Maybe the fast food industry should consider the same solution.
 
stuff that makes me sick as far as charity goes is all the fucking junkies receiving free methadone and the costs to run those clinics. i guess everyone is entitled to their own bug up their ass but this one is wrong on so many levels. not sure who can support it. finding out in 3...2....1...
 
According to conservative free market ideologists its their fault if they don't make enough to support their family and that they have to go on welfare.

Wal-Mart executives seem to understand the best solution to their low paid employees who have a lack of benefits.
They were kind enough to put in their employee handbooks directions to the nearest Government welfare office in all 50 states along with helpful instructions as to how to apply for taxpayer supplied welfare benefits.

Maybe the fast food industry should consider the same solution.

mcdonald's has real rocket scientists figuring this shit out... Why McDonald's Employee Budget Has Everyone Up In Arms - Forbes


and workers who know better

How She Lives On Minimum Wage: One McDonald's Worker's Budget - Forbes
 
According to conservative free market ideologists its their fault if they don't make enough to support their family and that they have to go on welfare.

The socialist ideologues will not be satisfied once minimum wage is increased and reduce welfare payments. We'd probably end up looking like France with a minimum wage of over $12/hr and 17% of the population on welfare. Let's drop the act that you guys give a shit about the taxpayers.
 
The socialist ideologues will not be satisfied once minimum wage is increased and reduce welfare payments. We'd probably end up looking like France with a minimum wage of over $12/hr and 17% of the population on welfare. Let's drop the act that you guys give a shit about the taxpayers.

I am a taxpayer and yeah, I give a shit about taxes.
 
The socialist ideologues will not be satisfied once minimum wage is increased and reduce welfare payments. We'd probably end up looking like France with a minimum wage of over $12/hr and 17% of the population on welfare. Let's drop the act that you guys give a shit about the taxpayers.

You tell me.
Would you rather pay 10 cents more for a hamburger and a drink at McDonald's so that McDonalds can pay a living wage and benefits to their employees at a level that disqualifies them from receiving welfare benefits or pay increased taxes due to those McDonald's employees being on taxpayer funded welfare?
Same with Wal-Mart.
Would you rather pay 10 cents more for a product sold at Wal-Mart so that Wal-Mart can pay a living wage and benefits to their employees at a level that disqualifies them from receiving welfare benefits or pay increased taxes due to employees being on taxpayer funded welfare?


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This is common sense.
Either way, as a consumer or a taxpayer you are going to pay one way or another.
 
just as it's common sense that the rich getting tax breaks is a crock of bullshit. they need to pay the fuck up and so do churches. don't tell me people don't care about the burden placed on the taxpayer because we sure as shit do. if taxes aren't going to whineohna and her 7 kids and rich shit bags actually pay theirs instead of buying more politicians.... maybe they can go to improving our schools.
 
that has never been true as long as I have been alive... I'm curious, why do you think it should be that way now?

Because wages have been stagnant and declining for over 40 years.
 
The socialist ideologues will not be satisfied once minimum wage is increased and reduce welfare payments. We'd probably end up looking like France with a minimum wage of over $12/hr and 17% of the population on welfare. Let's drop the act that you guys give a shit about the taxpayers.

you obviously don't even know what socialism is. but what's even more comical is that you have no problem with cronly capitalism funneling money up the ladder via rent seeking activities by the capitalist class then turn around and complain about the economy and the deficit and spending on the social safety net.

you do realize you can't have it both ways don't you? the math just doesn't add up.
 
All i hear is a bunch of crying and no resolution... Simple observations... How much should a entry level fast food person make? In reality honestly what should they make. We are talking entry level. Because I know a few people making ALLOT at MC'D's. Managers make great wages I think a few make up to around 65k a year. I dated a girl that use to pull 3k a month when she was 22 from McD's. When i first started to date a girl at her age workin there I honestly wanted to run. But then she told me her plans to run one and informed me about their actual level of promotions and wages. That the people that make the "low wages" never apply and show progression in their fields to promote. So why should some one with no management skills or motivation to excel get more pay?

The job is intended for a high school student period. That is their target demographic for hiring. It is not their fault that Americans have no motivation or spent half their life being lazy and realized at 30 they need to finally work. Also to live on your own with out roomates it does take more money, but I just researched apt's where I live and you can get them down to 300$ for a 1 bed room apt. this is living alone independently. @ 1700 a month you can easily do this. You may not have a car and rely on public transportation but its possible to live on your own at that wage.

Also if your 30 years old and you find your self making low wages for years, crying about it will not resolve your problem. Here are things that will resolve your problem.. At the wage level you are eligible for free day care if you have kids. Take nigh classes to better educate your self and find a technical field you can go to. University of Phoenix offers one day a week. Sure it may not be the best school but we just graduated a guy who was homeless and is now making 20$ an hour working for the county. Take the time to work more, get a second job. My grandfather use to have to drive trucks for 18 hours a day to make 1g a week. He did what he had to do and never bitched about it. He knew he wouldnt make enough to work an 8 hour day, so he solved his problem and busted his ass. Never once got on gov't assistance.

My dad had to drive trucks across the country to support me while my mom worked 3 jobs. Beautician, Waitress, and sally's beauty salon. They did what they had to do and never complains about low wages. My mom saved enough to run her sown salon and now owns it after 15 years.

So the answer to these people that cry about low wages... Guess what people have been crying for YEARS its not going to change.. So you can either keep making excuses or do something about it.

i didnt comment on any of that....every one has to live within there means....but then our own government doesnt...not everyone is handed the same opportunities though


but thats life...or democracy or some shit

Everyone has the same chance for success I fucking hate this excuse. This is what everyone who all ready excepts defeat says. Well i didnt have the same opportunity, he was rich , i wasn?t his life was easy. Like i said before I never saw my dad and mom worked 3 jobs. I had NO parents growing up to supervise me. I could have made EVERY bad decision possible, but I wanted to succeed. Everyone gets public schools free, everyone gets a shot at an education. Everyone gets a shot at sporting programs. Look how many athletes come from nothing. Every year at low income schools the entire top 10% gets awarded scholarships. Guess what if you cant go to college then maybe you should bust your ass and study. The only excuse I believe is that "I did not want it bad enough" simple as that. At the end of the day the only person that you can blame is your self. If you still blame other people you will never succeed.
have you not gotten out of your house enough to know that a lot of skilled laborers here were living that dream before their jobs got sent to some slave country and now they are stuck with whatever scrap job they can get their hands on?

that entire manufacturing towns all across this country have basically shut down because of this? climbing towards 3 million manufacturing jobs lost to China?

that for breadwinner adults school is a luxury when the mortgage is due and the fridge is getting bare?

that not everyone lives with their parents and no one can plan for the company they spent 20 years climbing to the top in to sell out?


if this country is retarded enough to give our fucking jobs away, if our government is retarded enough to allow it, they need to make the jobs we have left pay a livable wage.

My answer to this is the same with evolution. There will be things that turn obsolete. If your field is outdated or becoming obsolete, or outsourced. You have to options. Sit on your ass pissed, or bust your ass to learn a different field. I know in CA PG&E has TONS of programs to take obsolete careers and train people on a new career path. Its called taking advantage of your situation and not excepting to lose. Yes your company is over it got outsourced. What can you do? Nothing.. No amount of bitching and saying big business is unfair is going to make you successful. Big Business will be this way forever, it will NEVER change. So your option is either to compete and win at this game of life or sit back and get passed the fuck up.
 
so you had no parents....not even adopted...where did you live? group home?


always hilarious when everyone says what you just said
turns out they had mommy daddy...aunty uncle grammy and grandpa


me in my teenage years i bounced around in a camaro...a drifter
 
All i hear is a bunch of crying and no resolution... Simple observations... How much should a entry level fast food person make? In reality honestly what should they make. We are talking entry level. Because I know a few people making ALLOT at MC'D's. Managers make great wages I think a few make up to around 65k a year. I dated a girl that use to pull 3k a month when she was 22 from McD's. When i first started to date a girl at her age workin there I honestly wanted to run. But then she told me her plans to run one and informed me about their actual level of promotions and wages. That the people that make the "low wages" never apply and show progression in their fields to promote. So why should some one with no management skills or motivation to excel get more pay?

The job is intended for a high school student period. That is their target demographic for hiring. It is not their fault that Americans have no motivation or spent half their life being lazy and realized at 30 they need to finally work. Also to live on your own with out roomates it does take more money, but I just researched apt's where I live and you can get them down to 300$ for a 1 bed room apt. this is living alone independently. @ 1700 a month you can easily do this. You may not have a car and rely on public transportation but its possible to live on your own at that wage.

Also if your 30 years old and you find your self making low wages for years, crying about it will not resolve your problem. Here are things that will resolve your problem.. At the wage level you are eligible for free day care if you have kids. Take nigh classes to better educate your self and find a technical field you can go to. University of Phoenix offers one day a week. Sure it may not be the best school but we just graduated a guy who was homeless and is now making 20$ an hour working for the county. Take the time to work more, get a second job. My grandfather use to have to drive trucks for 18 hours a day to make 1g a week. He did what he had to do and never bitched about it. He knew he wouldnt make enough to work an 8 hour day, so he solved his problem and busted his ass. Never once got on gov't assistance.

My dad had to drive trucks across the country to support me while my mom worked 3 jobs. Beautician, Waitress, and sally's beauty salon. They did what they had to do and never complains about low wages. My mom saved enough to run her sown salon and now owns it after 15 years.

So the answer to these people that cry about low wages... Guess what people have been crying for YEARS its not going to change.. So you can either keep making excuses or do something about it.



Everyone has the same chance for success I fucking hate this excuse. This is what everyone who all ready excepts defeat says. Well i didnt have the same opportunity, he was rich , i wasn?t his life was easy. Like i said before I never saw my dad and mom worked 3 jobs. I had NO parents growing up to supervise me. I could have made EVERY bad decision possible, but I wanted to succeed. Everyone gets public schools free, everyone gets a shot at an education. Everyone gets a shot at sporting programs. Look how many athletes come from nothing. Every year at low income schools the entire top 10% gets awarded scholarships. Guess what if you cant go to college then maybe you should bust your ass and study. The only excuse I believe is that "I did not want it bad enough" simple as that. At the end of the day the only person that you can blame is your self. If you still blame other people you will never succeed.


My answer to this is the same with evolution. There will be things that turn obsolete. If your field is outdated or becoming obsolete, or outsourced. You have to options. Sit on your ass pissed, or bust your ass to learn a different field. I know in CA PG&E has TONS of programs to take obsolete careers and train people on a new career path. Its called taking advantage of your situation and not excepting to lose. Yes your company is over it got outsourced. What can you do? Nothing.. No amount of bitching and saying big business is unfair is going to make you successful. Big Business will be this way forever, it will NEVER change. So your option is either to compete and win at this game of life or sit back and get passed the fuck up.
no one non management makes 1700 a month at mcdonalds
do you even math bro
 
so you had no parents....not even adopted...where did you live? group home?


always hilarious when everyone says what you just said
turns out they had mommy daddy...aunty uncle grammy and grandpa


me in my teenage years i bounced around in a camaro...a drifter

cool story want a hug
 
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