Help me pick an oral

[GarlicChicken]

references?

References? Personal experience and friends personal experience. I've been putting together the pieces here lately and it seems very nearly the same for everyone. It could be 7, it could be 10, everyone stagnates after being on for a while without either upping the dose or manipulating something else.

 

[Standard Donkey]

References? Personal experience and friends personal experience. I've been putting together the pieces here lately and it seems very nearly the same for everyone. It could be 7, it could be 10, everyone stagnates after being on for a while without either upping the dose or manipulating something else.

i figured something like that would be the response i received

 

[Digitalash]

blast hard as fuck for 6 weeks and then take 8 weeks off. It seems like a long time but if you cycle/diet hard as fuck during those 6 weeks it'll pay off...

 

[teezhay]

idk bro.. u think he can get all the gains he can possibly get from 600mg of test E in just 8 weeks? I would think it would take 16-20 weeks at least to fully realize the potential of 600mg/week


but i digress

No you're right. But that said, the myostatin increase will catch up to him around week 8, 9, or 10. That's why it's wise of OP to integrate a new oral into the cycle around week 6. Very smart.

 

[GarlicChicken]

i figured something like that would be the response i received

Okay, I guess you wanna play the internet smart guy game. Give me the references for your counter-argument. Please, prove me wrong.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Okay, I guess you wanna play the internet smart guy game. Give me the references for your counter-argument. Please, prove me wrong.

you made the claim, you bear the burdern of proof..


you're also the "internet smart guy" making unsubstantiated claims and disguising them as fact.

 

[GarlicChicken]

you made the claim, you bear the burdern of proof..


you're also the "internet smart guy" making unsubstantiated claims and disguising them as fact.

I'll put it to you this way. I only talk about what I have personal experience with. If I haven't tried it, I won't talk about it. There's a reason I'm a respected board member on other places.

If you want to make a counter-argument, make your argument. Otherwise, you are just providing random, worthless commentary. So please, make your point or just leave it be.

 

[Standard Donkey]

I'll put it to you this way. I only talk about what I have personal experience with. If I haven't tried it, I won't talk about it. There's a reason I'm a respected board member on other places.

If you want to make a counter-argument, make your argument. Otherwise, you are just providing random, worthless commentary. So please, make your point or just leave it be.

my "point" was asking you for references.. .. not really a point at all but ok, just asking you to back up your claim with some evidence (i realize it's a bit of a foreign concept here).

you're a respected member on other boards? really?...


are those other boards...respected? lmao

 

[Idra]

I'll put it to you this way. I only talk about what I have personal experience with. If I haven't tried it, I won't talk about it. There's a reason I'm a respected board member on other places.

If you want to make a counter-argument, make your argument. Otherwise, you are just providing random, worthless commentary. So please, make your point or just leave it be.

"God must exist because you can't prove he doesn't exist"
That's how intelligent you sound in this thread.

 

[Standard Donkey]

"God must exist because you can't prove he doesn't exist"
That's how intelligent you sound in this thread.

yeah you can really run wild when you dont have to put up evidence.. either way, im done with this topic/thread. Mr. Chicken, its nothing personal, but when you makes a claim.. as a "respected member on other boards", you should expect to be asked for evidence to back yourself up.

 

[overlord]

Epic bro-logic and hostility to due diligence in here.

 

[GarlicChicken]

Lol. This is great. People asking for evidence on a subject where none exists besides personal experience. One of these days you will realize that in this game, science does not always match reality.

 

[GarlicChicken]

[h=2]Pyramiding cycles by heavyiron[/h]

The human body is always fighting for homeostasis so the concept is to increase dose before gains plateau. Based on the 2009 myostatin study we can design a cycle that is effective for 10 weeks using this strategy. The following first cycle is for men that want a little more performance with added risk while only using Testosterone. The first 5 weeks a standard dose is administered to evaluate how your body responds and to determine if sides are manageable. If sides are manageable then increase the dose.

Myostatin limits growth around day 56 of a cycle. You can "push" gains by adding strong anabolics or upping the dose or my favorite, both.

Since you have little to no limiting growth factors the first 7-8 weeks there is no need to increase the dose however we must account for ester length when timing the increased dose. Timing your steroids is a commonly overlooked feature of cycle design.

Unfortunately, the actual study was not linked, nor do I have the time to find it.
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[Standard Donkey]

Pyramiding cycles by heavyiron

The human body is always fighting for homeostasis so the concept is to increase dose before gains plateau. Based on the 2009 myostatin study we can design a cycle that is effective for 10 weeks using this strategy. The following first cycle is for men that want a little more performance with added risk while only using Testosterone. The first 5 weeks a standard dose is administered to evaluate how your body responds and to determine if sides are manageable. If sides are manageable then increase the dose.

Myostatin limits growth around day 56 of a cycle. You can "push" gains by adding strong anabolics or upping the dose or my favorite, both.

Since you have little to no limiting growth factors the first 7-8 weeks there is no need to increase the dose however we must account for ester length when timing the increased dose. Timing your steroids is a commonly overlooked feature of cycle design.

Unfortunately, the actual study was not linked, nor do I have the time to find it.
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well that's a start, if the above is true then i guess its a good thing im going to be taking labpe's myostatin blocker lmao

 

[GarlicChicken]

well that's a start, if the above is true then i guess its a good thing im going to be taking labpe's myostatin blocker lmao

Lol well thank you sir. I really do not have the time to look up myostatin studies, I have to spend too much time studying biochemistry.

Have you tried those myostatin blockers yet? I'm pretty leery on some of these exotic peptides...they seem too readily available. Most newer compounds are very difficult to get your hands on. I'm not well versed in the peptide industry though.

 

[nby]

I wonder how this stagnation works on cutting cycles? Would the lbm preservation diminish around week 7-8 as gains would on a bulk cycle?
Would you need to up the dosage to keep mass from falling off, when cutting deep, after week 7-8?

 

[teezhay]

Reading through SD's comments, I gotta say ... pretty disappointed.

That you're being so calm and diplomatic indicates this HMP trial you're running isn't working. Intermittent rage has no correlation to myostatin, but since we're throwing around broscience anyway ... I'd be incredibly reassured if you fucking lost it and flipped your shit.

Come at me bro.

 

[GarlicChicken]

I wonder how this stagnation works on cutting cycles? Would the lbm preservation diminish around week 7-8 as gains would on a bulk cycle?
Would you need to up the dosage to keep mass from falling off, when cutting deep, after week 7-8?

This I have not noticed. I've been slowly cutting for about 10 weeks now, and I have not noticed any size coming off after the 8 week mark. Which is fairly interesting to me. It could have something to do with the fact that I started pretty lean and have been cutting slow. I'm not sure. It's interesting for sure. Maybe someone with more experience cutting for longer than 8 weeks can chime in on this. The only thing I have noticed is that my fullness will fluctuate with my testosterone manipulation, something I have been playing with because I'm running prop. If my test is higher I look bigger and more full, but hold more water, even with an increase in my adex. Lower test makes me harder but not as full. This is pretty standard protocol though as far as I know.

 

[nby]

This I have not noticed. I've been slowly cutting for about 10 weeks now, and I have not noticed any size coming off after the 8 week mark. Which is fairly interesting to me. It could have something to do with the fact that I started pretty lean and have been cutting slow. I'm not sure. It's interesting for sure. Maybe someone with more experience cutting for longer than 8 weeks can chime in on this. The only thing I have noticed is that my fullness will fluctuate with my testosterone manipulation, something I have been playing with because I'm running prop. If my test is higher I look bigger and more full, but hold more water, even with an increase in my adex. Lower test makes me harder but not as full. This is pretty standard protocol though as far as I know.

High(er) test bloats indeed. I cut on a relative high dose of EQ which doesn't bloat at all. Being "full" is more of a carb-related matter than gear-related I assume.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Reading through SD's comments, I gotta say ... pretty disappointed.

That you're being so calm and diplomatic indicates this HMP trial you're running isn't working. Intermittent rage has no correlation to myostatin, but since we're throwing around broscience anyway ... I'd be incredibly reassured if you fucking lost it and flipped your shit.

Come at me bro.

LOL!! im not running the hmp yet bro

 

[teezhay]

LOL!! im not running the hmp yet bro

I'll just be curled in this corner succumbing to catabolism in the final weeks of my blast/cruise cocaine cycle until you have some 10lb/week results to share.

 

[Code_Slinger]

600mg lol. After 8 weeks or so you will stagnate. Trust me. You need tto increase the dose.

D-Lats is right. You should consider either incrementally bumping up your dose 150mg at weeks 8, 10 and 12 (for example), introducing additional compounds to your cycle or both. Diet is key but your body will adjust to the dosage and the effects will diminish otherwise.

heavyiron did a write up on pyramiding cycles in order to prevent reaching a state of homeostasis and continue gaining. I think there's something about it in the sticky section you should check it out.

 

[BIGBEN2011]

yea after 8 weeks or so you need to up your dose or add somthing in to keep gains going and i am not going to give that any refs i just know after 20 years in the game .and to the op how did you put on fat with beast and test beast adds lean gains and you should be taking a ai for the test bloat.

 

[D-Lats]

I really thought standard donkey was more knowledgeable. I'm pretty suprised to see this nonsense.

 

[Standard Donkey]

I really thought standard donkey was more knowledgeable. I'm pretty suprised to see this nonsense.

by nonsense you mean me asking for references? (which btw have still not been provided )

 

[GarlicChicken]

yea after 8 weeks or so you need to up your dose or add somthing in to keep gains going and i am not going to give that any refs i just know after 20 years in the game .and to the op how did you put on fat with beast and test beast adds lean gains and you should be taking a ai for the test bloat.

I'll take your 20 years and my own personal experience any day.

I really thought standard donkey was more knowledgeable. I'm pretty suprised to see this nonsense.

Yeah me too.

by nonsense you mean me asking for references? (which btw have still not been provided )

Look it up yourself if you really want to know. This game revolves more around personal experience than anything else. Also, just so you know, I am a science major. I love biochemistry and published studies, but there just aren't enough studies on bodybuilding related AAS use to rely on them. You should know this though.