thebutcher
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Im currently running a bulking stack, sust/deca .. I'm womdering if introducing eq would be that much more effective and or wise. Thanks
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Digitalash
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Stats? What dosages are you running and for how long? Not enough info here really
aminoman74
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Ya i would add it.Eq is a light compound and it would hurt anything.If anything it would help with hunger and add the harder look to you.
thebutcher
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@digitalash- my stats are 343 mg e4d and 200mg of deca e4d also. Total of 686 sust and 400 deca. My gains have been slow, been running for 6 weeks. I plan for 9 more. Total of 15 weeks. My deca is qv so it might be underdosed. Ive been warned however of deca dick. .. Not cool. So back to my original query, would running eq with the two others be beneficial. This is my 4 cycle. First time looking for advice outside of trial and error. And a shit load of google.
age,weight,cycle experience?
thebutcher
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@aminoman74.. Maybe this new info would also help for you also.. As far as referring eq as a good idea. Thanks for the input! Again, my first time with ANY forum so any advice is good advice. Good lookin' out guys!
thebutcher
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.@bigbenj... Oh. 26 yrs old, 204 pounds about 3 years experience. But Only with sust, test cyp, test enenthate, test prop, deca and dbol. Basic stacks. Height, about 6' maybe 6'1. .. Those blends of test were at diff. Times not all at once. Sust however is my favorite. So I stick with it.
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Roaddkingg
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Most people run EQ for longer runs like 16-20 wks.
You say you have 9 more to go so you wouldnt get the full effect from it in that length of time.
When I did Eq in a stack it did make me a lot more vascular and it's great for strength.
You say you have 9 more to go so you wouldnt get the full effect from it in that length of time.
When I did Eq in a stack it did make me a lot more vascular and it's great for strength.
thebutcher
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So what about my intake now? As I stated earlier I've always just gone by trial and error. .. Does what I'm in taking seem productive? .. I've always noticed awesome gains within just a few weeks. This time they seem slow but there. My calories are I feel legit ament. As my username, I am a butcher and have acces to quality protein. Intake is around 3500 to 4000 calories a day. BMR is if I remember correctly just above 3200.
Dath
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Your current dose mgs is fine, if ur gear is in fact dosed Properly.
Addin EQ. Now wouldnt do much and be a waste. How much have you gained in 6 wks? You should be seeing some affects by now,
thebutcher
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@Dath. Well I've gained almost 10 pounds.. But my strength just isn't where I feel it should be at. Max bench is 300, squat is 375 and dead lift is 360.. This is of about 3 weeks ago. I don't enforce maxing due to possible joint injury. Do these stats seem decent? .. On a side note, how do I get a pic to show up with my comments? So at least you can get an idea of what my physique is looking like?
Dath
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^^^^ what are you using to control estrogen?
10lbs is fair
10lbs is fair
thebutcher
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Dath- I have Nolvadex. But I'm unsure of when to administer. I've read forums saying that only use if in fear of gyno, and you'd know that if nipples are sore. .. Any input? .. I'd hate to find out that my strength isn't what it should be due to not taking the nolve. .. Also.. The forum I read said to stop taking the nolve once symptoms subside. Hope this isn't confusing.
Dath
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Yes Nolva is better saved for gyno flare up bud and not the best option with a 19nor like deca.
Are you only using sust and deca?
No adex, aromasin, prami, caber etc...anything
You should post up whatever it is your using on cycle if you feel there's an issue
Again 10 lbs is a fair gains thus far
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thebutcher
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Dath- I am on only the two. Sust and deca. Nothing else. .. However. My first two cycles years ago I never used a PCT. .. Had no issues. I've read many times over that it may or not effect a certain person. .. I guess I was lucky. Twards the gyno that is. However I did lose significant gains in strength/size. Since then I've always just used Nolvadex. However I am really considering using HCG for this one. To rebound faster. .. Is Nolvadex not a good idea for this cycle.
Dath
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If theres no gyno issues then No nolva is not needed and Not with Deca...you never ran a pct and with no lab work how do you know you were at? This cycle could be suffering because your body wasn't ready...IMO run a pct with clomid dosed 100mg/100/75/50 Ed 4 wks , aromasin 25mg/25/12.5/12.5ed 4 wks.
I'd get on arimidex or aromasin now while your on cycle.
It's hard to know where your at, hopefully someone else will chime in here as well.
Added- also stop your deca 2 wks prior to stopping sust
I'd get on arimidex or aromasin now while your on cycle.
It's hard to know where your at, hopefully someone else will chime in here as well.
Added- also stop your deca 2 wks prior to stopping sust
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thebutcher
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Dath-Well I've never had blood work done on or after cycle. Everything's been trial and error. Safe to say I didn't do it the right way. As of now I'm planning on 9 more weeks, I'll incorporate the aromisan ASAP and definitely go with the suggested PCT. .. I just always used nolve due to the simplicity of low dosage as opposed to the high clomid dosage. Seemed like a no brainer to go with 20 mg nolve instead of 100mg clomid. But that was before you said not to with deca. .. Can I ask why? .. Thanks for all the help man!!
Dath
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There's a theory that Nolva up- regulates the progesterone receptors, combine this with a 19nor(deca) and the result may be increase in breast tissue (bitch- tits, lactating nipples). Theres studies showing this to be the case in women, and therefore it MAY be the case with men. there's a lot of disagreement on this topic, ull find plenty of guys who have used Nolva and a 19nor in the past and currently do. With no definite proof it's only a theory, and the decision is left up to the user.
thebutcher
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Dash- thanks for all your input man! Makes me really glad that I joined this site. Thanks for all your help and I hope to discuss material with you in the future! You've been a world of help! .. One more bit, is 15 weeks appropriate? What's a smart duration? And finally, I should be off for as long as I was on right? . I'm asking these and I know if I were to get a blood test I'd probably get my answer.
Dath
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10-12 weeks with your compounds is standard bud.
And your right amount of time Off = time On plus PCT ... At the VERY least without labs. But there cheap and easy to do bro. I'd would HIGHLY recommend it bro.
Hopefully this has all been helpfully
Add- now send me some sirloins lol
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/a...heap-bloodwork-how-get-without-insurance.html
And your right amount of time Off = time On plus PCT ... At the VERY least without labs. But there cheap and easy to do bro. I'd would HIGHLY recommend it bro.
Hopefully this has all been helpfully
Add- now send me some sirloins lol
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/a...heap-bloodwork-how-get-without-insurance.html
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thebutcher
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Good looking out man! .. I appreciate all the input 10 fold! .. Ya i read the sticky on bloodwork last night. I'll be checking that out ASAP. . .. On the add: any time man! Just hit me up if your serious! .. I live in a town of 5000 peeps max, in southwestern KS.. Where the smell of cow shit is the smell of money! .. 
.. Lol.. Beef.. It's what's for dinner. ... Thanks again man!
.. Lol.. Beef.. It's what's for dinner. ... Thanks again man!
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Because the combo of clomid and aromasin is the best PCT you cando in most cases. You need an AI on cycle and some HCG wouldn't hurt either.
