should I take after running 300mg of 19-nordione(old and shitty I know), 600 mg of 4-ad and 150 mg of 19-nor-4-diol e/d for 3 weeks? I got two bottles, but that's a little much. Sex drive hasn't been effected at all, so I can't be too shut down yet, how much 6-oxo do you think will suffice?
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So I'm either gonna run 600 mg for a week, than 300 mg for a week. Or run 300 mg for 3 weeks. Can I get an opinion, today's the last day of my cycle 
the stuff you took converts to testosterone and nor-testosterone so even if your totally shut down and your testes are non existant your going to still have sex drive because you have an outside source of test. remember thats why people take 4-ad stacked with m1t to fight the loss in libido, and lethargy? havent we been over this before? at 17 you shouldnt be messing with pro-hormones. proof in point is the fact you dont understand the different side effects of what you put in your body. but i can see im kicking a dead horse. tell me how your progress was im currious to see the effects of over 1,000 mg of different pro-hormones every day for 3-weeks on a 17 year old body. if i were you i would use both bottles of your 6-oxo. start with about 600mg per day for a week and take in divided doses, take your pct for 4 weeks stepping your dose down each week in weeks 2-4. were all of these oral? or did you have transdermal for any? 3 different orals doesnt seem smart either, you may want to take something for your liver. milk thistle or something.
Yeah I know about 4-ad countering the loss of libido from 4-AD. Anyways, the progress wasn't that great, and that was partly my fault and partly not. I was up like 4 pounds in mass the first week, then I caught this fucking flu the second week and lost most of it, it's started to come back some in the last week so I'm only up like 5 pounds in mass for the cycle. This also has to do with a hectic work/school. Like someday I'll be at school from 8-3 and then work from 4-11. So It's hard as hell to work with that as far as eating enough. Anyways my bench went up about 20 pounds, and my military press went up signifigantly as well, so I'm happy with that. Noticed no side effects at all. I was also using, small doses of tribulus, zinc polinate, and chrysin, which were included with the 19-nor. I'm not sure if I'm going to use my M1T or not, I need to get some nolva shipped somewhere other than my house, or hook up with someone around here. As far as side effects are concerned, is it actually possible that in ten year I could suddenly be unable to get it up, even if that's not being effected now?bio-chem said:
do not use your m1t for a long time. your just not ready at your age. and the truth about loss of libido after 10 years. your guess is as good as anybodies. truthfully i doubt it but ive heard of no studies of the long term sides of pro-hormone use in teens. probably because a decade ago kids were not asking questions about m1t. my advice: please re-read the sticky on pro-hormones, if you would have read it closer it says in the sticky the stack you took will not cause a loss of libido. your playing with fire right now, if your lucky you wont get burned too bad.
Story of my life. Thanks for your advice, I'll run 600mg's splt dose, morning and before bed. I understand I shouldn't be using pro-hormones at my age but guys should think back to when they were my age and if they were that available. It's not about bodybuilding as much, there's sports scholarships on the line and shit, it's tempting to use, especially if you've got the stuff sitting right there. I think I'm gonna hold off on the M1T and stick to creatine for a while. Thanks for your help.bio-chem said:
RCfootball87 said:
steroids were easy as hell to get when I was in high school, we didn't use them. you are either a gifted athlete, you are average or you suck at sports. having more muscle and/or strength isn't going to put you in a different category.
REAL athletes are born not made
LAM said:
I Completely agree with LAM on this 1. BUT on the other hand I personally know the strain and stresses that are put on an athlete ( I was 100m and 200m Track Champion , aswell as a Amateur Tennis Champion as a young age and the the Schools Left Wing Strike for soccer... I had to stop sports due to a bad Knee Injury and a sever case of Osgoodshlatus). At peak level every little bit counts, and if More mass in Football will be an advantage without effecting speed or endurance then I can understand why.(I've never played American football so I don't know what is mainly required, but I'm obiviously guessing speed and mass). Obviously though this is at peak level, that extra 5lbs is not going to do crap if your opposition is able to mantain a superior ability in Stamina, Endurance, Explosive strength, Eye Ball Co-ordination and Reading of the game.
Mass has nothing to do with ability to play football. I've seen massive guys get laid on their asses because they didn't know how to hit or take a hit. Steroids won't help you catch a ball or improve your ability to cut through a hole in the line. You may gain mass from steroids, but not skill.silencer said:
If you're a wrestler, steroids may help.
I agree with LAM in his sense that athletes are good without roids and all that, but I don't think athlete's are "Born" I think there's plenty of opportunity to improve and become world class without being gifted the talent.
I agree with LAM in his sense that athletes are good without roids and all that, but I don't think athlete's are "Born" I think there's plenty of opportunity to improve and become world class without being gifted the talent.
the big problem is kids using the stuff hurting themselves because they dont know what they are doing, and it gets taken away from everyone because they were not willing to put in the effort to research a little bit. this kid is 17 putting down more than a gram of pro-hormones down his throat everyday. thats deffinitly rates as a WTF moment in my book
Good example is Roy Jones Jr, the boxer or ex boxer for those who don't know, now he was "gifted" to where he had to only be shown techniques a few times and he had it down but back in the day when he started he really wasn't any better than anyone else but he had hunger, drive, and determination and put Pennsecola,FL on the map, and thus turned into a profesional that accomplished more than any boxer in history.musclepump said:
**Just re-emphasizing the point that great athletes don't have to be born with it.
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im not trying to stir up anything, or piss anyone off.. but i ran a 1-ad cycle last year at 300 mg/day for 4 weeks with pct 600 mg for 5 days and then tappered off. guy at the counter told me it was great stuff and high school athletes were gettin big off it. he told me it was like trib but better, which was good news for me since trib didnt do shit. but yeah the 1-ad worked great, i had no idea what it really was until i started reading this forum.. but yeah i consider myself lucky i suppose. but on a good note, the 1-ad worked GREAT and i didnt have any side effects.
Curlingcadys said:Good example is Roy Jones Jr, the boxer or ex boxer for those who don't know, now he was "gifted" to where he had to only be shown techniques a few times and he had it down but back in the day when he started he really wasn't any better than anyone else but he had hunger, drive, and determination and put Pennsecola,FL on the map, and thus turned into a profesional that accomplished more than any boxer in history.
**Just re-emphasizing the point that great athletes don't have to be born with it.
Roy Jones Jr had natural abilities that only needed to be honed. Track & Field is a perfect example. You will not find one Olympian in Track and Field who did not excell in the sport in high school. You will NEVER see a guy that runs a 14 sec 100m in high school in the Olympics. All of the training in the world can't make a slow person fast.
I had skill at football before I had any size. I was always skilled but too small before. I don't even give too much of a damn about football anymore, I play but I don't love it like I used too.
I see where you're comming from but a slow person can train and become fast over some time BUT I do agree that the same person probably wont be hitting up the olympics but you can knock tenths down with some "harder training".LAM said:
The skills necessary for track are often correlated with swimming, and there have been plenty of Olympic swimmers who were aweful as junior high and high school athletes.LAM said:
musclepump said:
true but the efficiency of a swimming stroke is the key to success as a competitive swimmer. An efficient stroke will significantly reduce wasted energy output through less drag in the water and a cleaner execution of hand and arm entry and recovery.
