How much Tren?

[solidassears]

OK guys here's the stats, I'm 62, 5'10" weight 210, 24% body fat and I'm starting a new workout routine with a personal trainer on Tuesday. I'll be lifting three times a week and swimming laps twice a week. Goals are to lose some fat, gain some muscle and strength and improve, stamina and endurance. I'm not looking to compete or kid myself into thinking I will look like a body builder; I'm old!

I'm on 250 TRT per week and want to add a little kick to my system, so I have some Tren coming but have no experience with it. I've been on TRT for 3 years and gone as much as 500 a week for a short time with no problems, so I think I could bump it up if necessary. But from what I've read, some Tren should do that anyway.

I would appreciate any input or recommendations

 

[johnsonl3872]

I would not add Tren until you get your BF% under control. Tren will wreck your stamina and endurance as well. Work on your diet before you try anything else.

 

[solidassears]

I would not add Tren until you get your BF% under control. Tren will wreck your stamina and endurance as well. Work on your diet before you try anything else.

Well, the % will come down, but at my age it is in the normal range; I'm not young. But if Tren is not a good idea and will screw me up, I sure don't want to mess with it. Take a look at this chart and as you can see, for my age, 13 to 25% is considered healthy range.

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/library/blbodyfatcharts.htm

My diet is pretty good I get about 200 grams of protein a day and my cholesterol is very low; total is 97, so I'm not eating too much fat. It's probably hard to relate when you're 20 something, but I think everything changes a bit as we age. This is an unknown for me, as I've never run anything but test.

I also know these charts are not real accurate; according to the BMI charts, I'm just barely obese at 212. The reality is that I'm not obese; a little overweight for sure, but not so much as the BMI chart would indicate.

 

[johnsonl3872]

I am in my 40s so not young. Regardless, Tren is not going to help you here. It is a compound for people experienced using AAS. Please do some research before you hurt yourself.

 

[solidassears]

I am in my 40s so not young here. Regardless, Tren is not going to help you here. It is a compound for people experienced using AAS. Please do some research before you hurt yourself.

Thanks! I've been reading, but it's hard to relate what I'm reading to my situation; I realize most if not all of what I've read is from experienced guys who are much more active in body building. This is the reason I'm asking the question here. I don't want to get hurt or screw myself up; I Just want to give my system a boost. I worked lifting 3 times a week for two years before with little to show in the way of added muscle and just want to do what I can to help things along. Not that it was for nothing, I did get stronger and I had more energy and stamina, but the visual results were disappointing.

 

[johnsonl3872]

Thanks! I've been reading, but it's hard to relate what I'm reading to my situation; I realize most if not all of what I've read is from experienced guys who are much more active in body building. This is the reason I'm asking the question here. I don't want to get hurt or screw myself up; I Just want to give my system a boost. I worked lifting 3 times a week for two years before with little to show in the way of added muscle and just want to do what I can to help things along. Not that it was for nothing, I did get stronger and I had more energy and stamina, but the visual results were disappointing.

Well I think you just identified the problem. You lifted 3 times a week for two years. You have to mix things up, go five days a week, change your lifting routine. My experience has been that a on point diet with an ever changing workout regimen produces the best results.

 

[solidassears]

Well I think you just identified the problem. You lifted 3 times a week for two years. You have to mix things up, go five days a week, change your lifting routine. My experience has been that a on point diet with an ever changing workout regimen produces the best results.

Point taken; I usually swim laps the other two days and hate to give that up, but I could try lifting 5 days for 6 months and see what happens.

 

[johnsonl3872]

Look at your diet too. All the working out in the world is wasted if your diet isn't right.

 

[johnsonl3872]

Point taken; I usually swim laps the other two days and hate to give that up, but I could try lifting 5 days for 6 months and see what happens.

The amount of days is not as important as just mixing things up. The hardest thing for me to accept was that I could no longer go in and do low reps with high poundages (after turning 40). So now I rely on variety to produce gains.

 

[solidassears]

Look at your diet too. All the working out in the world is wasted if your diet isn't right.

This is tough because I don't have a normal digestive system; I don't have all the small bowel I was born with; long story, but I only absorb about 50% of the protein I eat and less than 10% of the fats. I get extensive blood work done every year to make sure i'm not getting deficient in any vitamins or minerals. I know my diet is pretty good for me, but because of the malabsorption it's hard to know which way to go. I can tell if I'm not getting enough fats because my nails get weak and brittle, but everything else I have to watch the blood work. My protein levels are good according to the blood work, but I also know this is just normal averages for all people. If I were to go on a low fat high protein diet, I would be fat deficient in a couple of weeks. BTW, my total cholesterol is 97, so I don't think I'm eating too much fat. If anything, I could limit simple carbs more to help with the fat loss, but I also know I need carbs for energy if I'm going to lift..

Any suggestions?

 

[johnsonl3872]

I am going to defer to the experts. With the issue you outlined above the question should probably be asked to your primary physician. My main point here is that you can get the results you are after without resorting to additional steroid use.

 

[SoCalSwole]

Here are a few points to think about.

AAS whether its test, tren, dbol, EQ whatever doesn't matter. The sole function of these compounds is to utilize more of the Macros you intake more efficiently and at a higher rate increasing metabolism and anabolic activity. So if you admittedly can't absorb nutrients due to a digestive issue then there is no reason to inject AAS for muscle building. It would be like putting a bigger engine in your car and then lowering the compression and fuel intake volume. It doesn't make sense.

Also, If you admittedly don't like weight training then AAS used for muscle building is not for you. All the smart ones on here have taken the time (and time I mean years) to figure out training and dieting and only use AAS as a bonus to move past a sticking point. You have the cart before the horse my friend. Training and diet perfection first then gear.

You want to see more muscle then train like you want it, diet down to a respectable BF level (not what some chart says your supposed to be at) Eat like you are trying to build muscle. The road your looking to go down will just disappoint you AAS is not a magic pill. It's a little dividend a bonus for the ones that earn it.

Or just ignore all this advise and inject 500mg of tren a week and don't come crying to us when your all messed up and a neurotic mess and with no gains from it.

All BS aside the best thing for you is to train like you want it, eat like you want it. increase the test to 500 a week your already taking 250 so another 250 would put you in a better place for muscle building. But tren is not for newbies. It would be like me taking a few learn to fly lessons in a Cessna and then jumping in an F-22 fighter jet. I would crash and burn probably not even make it off the run way.

 

[solidassears]

Here are a few points to think about.

AAS whether its test, tren, dbol, EQ whatever doesn't matter. The sole function of these compounds is to utilize more of the Macros you intake more efficiently and at a higher rate increasing metabolism and anabolic activity. So if you admittedly can't absorb nutrients due to a digestive issue then there is no reason to inject AAS for muscle building. It would be like putting a bigger engine in your car and then lowering the compression and fuel intake volume. It doesn't make sense.

Also, If you admittedly don't like weight training then AAS used for muscle building is not for you. All the smart ones on here have taken the time (and time I mean years) to figure out training and dieting and only use AAS as a bonus to move past a sticking point. You have the cart before the horse my friend. Training and diet perfection first then gear.

You want to see more muscle then train like you want it, diet down to a respectable BF level (not what some chart says your supposed to be at) Eat like you are trying to build muscle. The road your looking to go down will just disappoint you AAS is not a magic pill. It's a little dividend a bonus for the ones that earn it.

Or just ignore all this advise and inject 500mg of tren a week and don't come crying to us when your all messed up and a neurotic mess and with no gains from it.

All BS aside the best thing for you is to train like you want it, eat like you want it. increase the test to 500 a week your already taking 250 so another 250 would put you in a better place for muscle building. But tren is not for newbies. It would be like me taking a few learn to fly lessons in a Cessna and then jumping in an F-22 fighter jet. I would crash and burn probably not even make it off the run way.

Thanks Swole, I appreciate the input. A couple of things to clarify; I like to lift and lifting three times a week, was what I thought was best for the goals I had; namely to gain muscle and strength. I was just disappointed at the results and hope to get the next run at this goal to yield better results. I'm willing to do what ever I need to do, it's just a matter of learning what will work best for me.

I've been reading this forum for about two years if I remember correctly and I've tried to read and understand as much as I can; it's just difficult to relate everything I read to my situation. I guess I misunderstood what I read about Tren as I thought low doses with Test would help me get to the goals I'm looking for.

What I've hearing from everyone is that Tren is not a good idea so I accept that and it will sit on the shelf.

BTW, I like the pilot comparison, I hold Single, Multi, Instrument and Commercial and Private Rotorcraft, so I understand exactly where you're coming from. My pipe dream is to fly a F4U Corsair some day... F-22 is too much like a video game for me.

Thanks again for the advise and knowledge sharing

 

[BigJH]

Am with u socalswole for sure just eat more train more .. I would up the test for sure... But if he takes tren he want make one lap in the pool.. Man he will be in really bad shape ...

 

[SoCalSwole]

Thanks Swole, I appreciate the input. A couple of things to clarify; I like to lift and lifting three times a week, was what I thought was best for the goals I had; namely to gain muscle and strength. I was just disappointed at the results and hope to get the next run at this goal to yield better results. I'm willing to do what ever I need to do, it's just a matter of learning what will work best for me.

I've been reading this forum for about two years if I remember correctly and I've tried to read and understand as much as I can; it's just difficult to relate everything I read to my situation. I guess I misunderstood what I read about Tren as I thought low doses with Test would help me get to the goals I'm looking for.

What I've hearing from everyone is that Tren is not a good idea so I accept that and it will sit on the shelf.

BTW, I like the pilot comparison, I hold Single, Multi, Instrument and Commercial and Private Rotorcraft, so I understand exactly where you're coming from. My pipe dream is to fly a F4U Corsair some day... F-22 is too much like a video game for me.

Thanks again for the advise and knowledge sharing

All good brother, Hey thanks for not getting bent. I realize I was a little harsh on you. I stand by my final statement. Train hard, eat right and up the test.

 

[johnsonl3872]

Tren would be bad but once the BF% is down Anavar might be a good option...


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[SoCalSwole]

Tren would be bad but once the BF% is down Anavar might be a good option...


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Maybe NPP if hes already injecting but only after he runs a good 12 weeks on higher test and gets the training and diet in line. I would not recommend Var unless you have lower BF. It's perfectly safe but good Var is not cheap and you won't really see anything from it unless your pretty lean. Unless you like throwing money away.

 

[Conceal30]

Here are a few points to think about.

AAS whether its test, tren, dbol, EQ whatever doesn't matter. The sole function of these compounds is to utilize more of the Macros you intake more efficiently and at a higher rate increasing metabolism and anabolic activity. So if you admittedly can't absorb nutrients due to a digestive issue then there is no reason to inject AAS for muscle building. It would be like putting a bigger engine in your car and then lowering the compression and fuel intake volume. It doesn't make sense.

Also, If you admittedly don't like weight training then AAS used for muscle building is not for you. All the smart ones on here have taken the time (and time I mean years) to figure out training and dieting and only use AAS as a bonus to move past a sticking point. You have the cart before the horse my friend. Training and diet perfection first then gear.

You want to see more muscle then train like you want it, diet down to a respectable BF level (not what some chart says your supposed to be at) Eat like you are trying to build muscle. The road your looking to go down will just disappoint you AAS is not a magic pill. It's a little dividend a bonus for the ones that earn it.

Or just ignore all this advise and inject 500mg of tren a week and don't come crying to us when your all messed up and a neurotic mess and with no gains from it.

All BS aside the best thing for you is to train like you want it, eat like you want it. increase the test to 500 a week your already taking 250 so another 250 would put you in a better place for muscle building. But tren is not for newbies. It would be like me taking a few learn to fly lessons in a Cessna and then jumping in an F-22 fighter jet. I would crash and burn probably not even make it off the run way.

i have a lot of respect for this guy. never seen him give bad advise. solid as they come.

 

[Glycomann]

OK guys here's the stats, I'm 62, 5'10" weight 210, 24% body fat and I'm starting a new workout routine with a personal trainer on Tuesday. I'll be lifting three times a week and swimming laps twice a week. Goals are to lose some fat, gain some muscle and strength and improve, stamina and endurance. I'm not looking to compete or kid myself into thinking I will look like a body builder; I'm old!

I'm on 250 TRT per week and want to add a little kick to my system, so I have some Tren coming but have no experience with it. I've been on TRT for 3 years and gone as much as 500 a week for a short time with no problems, so I think I could bump it up if necessary. But from what I've read, some Tren should do that anyway.

I would appreciate any input or recommendations

I'm 53 and no the younger guys have no idea what aging is all about. After all we are all immortal at 25. Trenbolones are very harsh. Not a very good choice for an older guy. It makes most people hot headed, sweaty, winded, and boarderline mental case. For guys our age Anavar, Primobolan, and Equipoise are decent choices. Also adding in GHRP-2 before bed will restore your natural GH pulse and for a few bucks it's definitely worth it.

 

[OverR8DNatty]

It's good you have a grip on reality, about not kidding yourself about looking like a BB'er, but don't let that same thought prevent you from training as hard as you can everyday minute in the gym. For me I'm a believer in growing outside of the gym, where diet plays a very important role. In the gym, you breakdown your body as much as you can with weights and cardio. While leaving the time out of the gym to rebuild it and grow through nutrition and rest.

Like the guys have mentioned above, tren will wreck havok on your cardio sessions. There are many people who think that gear is a miracle in liquid form. It couldn't be further from the truth IMO. The basic understanding of a gym routine, and eating is what get's a majority of us looking decent, or even making tremendous life changing transformations. Ultimately it is your brain that will make or break you.

I would stick with your TRT dose through this new workout you stated. I also like what Glyco said with the peptides, a basic GHRP and GNRH will do amazing things for you.

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Steroids don't work as well when your bodyfat is high. This was recently confirmed via science.

 

[solidassears]

I'm 53 and no the younger guys have no idea what aging is all about. After all we are all immortal at 25. Trenbolones are very harsh. Not a very good choice for an older guy. It makes most people hot headed, sweaty, winded, and boarderline mental case. For guys our age Anavar, Primobolan, and Equipoise are decent choices. Also adding in GHRP-2 before bed will restore your natural GH pulse and for a few bucks it's definitely worth it.

Thanks Glycomann; you hit one dead on, I haven't slept well in years and have been thinking about adding some HGH, but after reading up on GHRP-2 & 6, I think I'm going to give it a try; even if it just helps with sleep, it would be well worth the trouble and expense. I'l also look into the Anavar, Primo and Equipoise. Right now I don't know enough about those, so I need to read up.

 

[solidassears]

It's good you have a grip on reality, about not kidding yourself about looking like a BB'er, but don't let that same thought prevent you from training as hard as you can everyday minute in the gym. For me I'm a believer in growing outside of the gym, where diet plays a very important role. In the gym, you breakdown your body as much as you can with weights and cardio. While leaving the time out of the gym to rebuild it and grow through nutrition and rest.

Like the guys have mentioned above, tren will wreck havok on your cardio sessions. There are many people who think that gear is a miracle in liquid form. It couldn't be further from the truth IMO. The basic understanding of a gym routine, and eating is what get's a majority of us looking decent, or even making tremendous life changing transformations. Ultimately it is your brain that will make or break you.

I would stick with your TRT dose through this new workout you stated. I also like what Glyco said with the peptides, a basic GHRP and GNRH will do amazing things for you.

Thanks for adding to the advise, I'm realistic about my body and I know I'll never look like you young guys, but I am pretty sure I can slow down the deterioration and muscle loss. Getting the body fat lower will happen too, but it's hard to know what's realistic there; so I'll just keep working on it until I think I'm about where I can get too and lead a pretty normal life.

 

[solidassears]

Steroids don't work as well when your bodyfat is high. This was recently confirmed via science.

Yea no question about it; the question is, what is high and low body fat for 62 year old man and I mean a realistic number to shoot for. That's why I was looking at the charts; to get some idea what I could hope to get to. The charts are not a good guideline; according to them I should weigh between 136 and 156 pounds.. Hell I have weighed 156 since I was in the 7th or 8th grade! According to the charts, I'm obese even though I wear 34" waist pants!

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Yea no question about it; the question is, what is high and low body fat for 62 year old man and I mean a realistic number to shoot for. That's why I was looking at the charts; to get some idea what I could hope to get to. The charts are not a good guideline; according to them I should weigh between 136 and 156 pounds.. Hell I have weighed 156 since I was in the 7th or 8th grade! According to the charts, I'm obese even though I wear 34" waist pants!

Well I don't think someone your age should use tren. I think testosterone and HGH should be the only things you should consider at your age. HGH you can start at any bodyfat, and if you really wanted to use an anabolic dose of test, go ahead as it will increase your metabolism.

 

[SoCalSwole]

I'm 53 and no the younger guys have no idea what aging is all about. After all we are all immortal at 25. Trenbolones are very harsh. Not a very good choice for an older guy. It makes most people hot headed, sweaty, winded, and boarderline mental case. For guys our age Anavar, Primobolan, and Equipoise are decent choices. Also adding in GHRP-2 before bed will restore your natural GH pulse and for a few bucks it's definitely worth it.

GHRP-2 would be good, effective and a fraction of the price of HGH. Don't sell yourself short. Age is just a number. The mind is a powerful thing use it to your advantage to will your physique to change. BTW I am 42

 

[Glycomann]

Thanks Glycomann; you hit one dead on, I haven't slept well in years and have been thinking about adding some HGH, but after reading up on GHRP-2 & 6, I think I'm going to give it a try; even if it just helps with sleep, it would be well worth the trouble and expense. I'l also look into the Anavar, Primo and Equipoise. Right now I don't know enough about those, so I need to read up.

GHRP-2 is better than GHRP-6 in my opinion. GHRP-6 makes you eat like crazy and you just end up fat. GHRP-2 doesn't do that.

 

[Glycomann]

GHRP-2 would be good, effective and a fraction of the price of HGH. Don't sell yourself short. Age is just a number. The mind is a powerful thing use it to your advantage to will your physique to change. BTW I am 42

I still do pretty good but i have been an athlete all my life. There is no denying that some things that were possible at 25 are not at 53. At 25 I was fighting at international competitions and training twice a day or sometimes 3 times a day depending on what time of the year it was. I guess it depends on one's perspective. Injuries pile up and resurface. Metabolism slows. Hair falls out. Food sensitivities appear. Shit wears out. That's life. But there is always a way toward improvement through effort, intelligence, and determination

 

[SoCalSwole]

I still do pretty good but i have been an athlete all my life. There is no denying that some things that were possible at 25 are not at 53. At 25 I was fighting at international competitions and training twice a day or sometimes 3 times a day depending on what time of the year it was. I guess it depends on one's perspective. Injuries pile up and resurface. Metabolism slows. Hair falls out. Food sensitivities appear. Shit wears out. That's life. But there is always a way toward improvement through effort, intelligence, and determination

Well Put!

 

[zionoir626]

Im near 50, cycled for many years and am still leary of tren...about 4 cycles now with it..its totally different in every way..the sides can wreck ur life...older can put u in the hospital
Its for seasoned vets that dont get crazy,so be warned.alittle goes a long way...good luck on ur goals,bro...