How to Look Like Zyzz Without Drugs?

[SamuelSamson]

Nope, u can get that low bf% naturally but u would lose a lot of muscle mass along.

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How do you know that you lose muscle along the way when your bf % get's low. I've heard you can decrease your body fat% without losing muscle so long as you:
1) know the limit on your fat burning rate (ie know how much fat you have); and
2) don't eat any deficit greater than the # in 1.

I'm just interested in challenging the conventional wisdom because I've been losing lots of fat recently without muscle loss sub 10%.

 

[Standard Donkey]

How do you know that you lose muscle along the way when your bf % get's low. I've heard you can decrease your body fat% without losing muscle so long as you:
1) know the limit on your fat burning rate (ie know how much fat you have); and
2) don't eat any deficit greater than the # in 1.

I'm just interested in challenging the conventional wisdom because I've been losing lots of fat recently without muscle loss sub 10%.

no

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

How do you know that you lose muscle along the way when your bf % get's low. I've heard you can decrease your body fat% without losing muscle so long as you:
1) know the limit on your fat burning rate (ie know how much fat you have); and
2) don't eat any deficit greater than the # in 1.

I'm just interested in challenging the conventional wisdom because I've been losing lots of fat recently without muscle loss sub 10%.

id like to see that

 

[Standard Donkey]

id like to see that

im assuming that he doesn't have much muscle to lose

 

[supaman23]

How many 220 pounds Ripped naturals do you know? lol Most of the TRUE naturals walk on-stage weighing 180-190 pounds at around 6 feet tall. That number will go up slighlty with more training experience/age.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

All I know is if the devil made a deal with me that I could have the ultimate physique but I would end up dying from it ....it would have looked a lot fucking better than he did.
noumsayin?
BTW - I think he had shitty gentics otherwise he wouldnt have needed to take all that just to look the way he did. My buddy Chris looks better than he ever fvcking did and doesnt take anything other than creatine (which aprently is now gay - wtf? ) and has a diet that is never off point.

 

[Goldenera]

Did he achieve the look naturally? The fact he dropped dead at 22 tells me hell no unless he had an unknown heart condition lol.

Now is that look he had achievable naturally ? Yes IMHO. Great genetics being key as well as diet I feel one could get very close.

I have a buddy that's way more shredded then the few zyzz pics that popped up on google and he is natural. I also have a vegetarian natural buddy that won the mr universe a few years ago. His body is great. He has no real job he just eats crazy amounts of food and trains for 2-3 hours a day.

Unless u have shit genetics if the diet and routine is in check if feel one can get very close to that look. He has no huge by any means.

Here is my vegetarian natural buddy. I've never seen someone eat as much veggies, beans, eggs, tofu in my life.


Just because some tools on here look like shit even with juice does not mean u have to use buckets of gear to achieve this guys look by any means.

 

[supaman23]

All I know is if the devil made a deal with me that I could have the ultimate physique but I would end up dying from it ....it would have looked a lot fucking better than he did.
noumsayin?
BTW - I think he had shitty gentics otherwise he wouldnt have needed to take all that just to look the way he did. My buddy Chris looks better than he ever fvcking did and doesnt take anything other than creatine (which aprently is now gay - wtf? ) and has a diet that is never off point.

Did he achieve the look naturally? The fact he dropped dead at 22 tells me hell no unless he had an unknown heart condition lol.

Now is that look he had achievable naturally ? Yes IMHO. Great genetics being key as well as diet I feel one could get very close.

I have a buddy that's way more shredded then the few zyzz pics that popped up on google and he is natural. I also have a vegetarian natural buddy that won the mr universe a few years ago. His body is great. He has no real job he just eats crazy amounts of food and trains for 2-3 hours a day.

Unless u have shit genetics if the diet and routine is in check if feel one can get very close to that look. He has no huge by any means.

Here is my vegetarian natural buddy. I've never seen someone eat as much veggies, beans, eggs, tofu in my life.
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Just because some tools on here look like shit even with juice does not mean u have to use buckets of gear to achieve this guys look by any means.

I bet that both of your buddies didn't weigh 130lbs at 6 feet tall. My point is, if a few genetically gifted people can get a similar/better physique naturally, it doesn't mean that every bodybuilder with average/below average genetics can do it. Otherwise, no one would mess with steroids IMO.

People seem to forget how important good genetics are, even with the use of performance enhancing drugs.

 

[Standard Donkey]

lol @ assumiing zyzz did a ton of gear

lol @ assuming the gear was what killed him (heart condition + cocaine + sauna)

dumbasses

 

[pjliftsalot]

lol @ assumiing zyzz did a ton of gear

lol @ assuming the gear was what killed him (heart condition + cocaine + sauna)

dumbasses

Fact: AAS = increased left ventricular hypertrophy
Fact: Cocaine + aas = dramaticlly increased left vetricular hypertrophy.
Cocaine + heart condition + aas

Anyone of those factors removed may have resulted in him not dying. What crystal ball do you have to say which one it was ? I could honestly care less but lets be for real ...his lifestyle contributed to his death and aas use was a big part of his lifestyle. As I said any one factor above remove he may still be around....you have no more of an idea which one than anyone else.

 

[irish_2003]

this is the gayest f'n thread ever...you wanna look like zyzz wear eyeliner, eat xtc, do shitloads of coke, and admire yourself all day...he's the biggest joke in bodybuilding community and the joke was on him in the end

 

[theCaptn']

How many 220 pounds Ripped naturals do you know? lol Most of the TRUE naturals walk on-stage weighing 180-190 pounds at around 6 feet tall. That number will go up slighlty with more training experience/age.

What are GoPros stats? Is he natural or just 'muscletech' natural?


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[LightBearer]

Cutting drugs mixed with the sauna and his bad heart is what probably killed him. He made a post shortly before his death joking about when his heart was going to explode/stop from the amount of DNP he was taking.

 

[MinMaxMuscle]

Did he achieve the look naturally? The fact he dropped dead at 22 tells me hell no unless he had an unknown heart condition lol.

Now is that look he had achievable naturally ? Yes IMHO. Great genetics being key as well as diet I feel one could get very close.

I have a buddy that's way more shredded then the few zyzz pics that popped up on google and he is natural. I also have a vegetarian natural buddy that won the mr universe a few years ago. His body is great. He has no real job he just eats crazy amounts of food and trains for 2-3 hours a day.

Unless u have shit genetics if the diet and routine is in check if feel one can get very close to that look. He has no huge by any means.

Here is my vegetarian natural buddy. I've never seen someone eat as much veggies, beans, eggs, tofu in my life.
View attachment 48148

Just because some tools on here look like shit even with juice does not mean u have to use buckets of gear to achieve this guys look by any means.

"great genetics being key"

 

[R-fresh77]

Did he achieve the look naturally? The fact he dropped dead at 22 tells me hell no unless he had an unknown heart condition lol.

Now is that look he had achievable naturally ? Yes IMHO. Great genetics being key as well as diet I feel one could get very close.

I have a buddy that's way more shredded then the few zyzz pics that popped up on google and he is natural. I also have a vegetarian natural buddy that won the mr universe a few years ago. His body is great. He has no real job he just eats crazy amounts of food and trains for 2-3 hours a day.

Unless u have shit genetics if the diet and routine is in check if feel one can get very close to that look. He has no huge by any means.

Here is my vegetarian natural buddy. I've never seen someone eat as much veggies, beans, eggs, tofu in my life.
View attachment 48148

Just because some tools on here look like shit even with juice does not mean u have to use buckets of gear to achieve this guys look by any means.

I strongly believe good genetics was a start for him. Yes he was a skinny ass kid growing up, big deal? Its obviously that he used gear, Im not bashing him for that . People thing you take these pills, or injection's and it does the work for you. Most BB's dont start dabbling with aas until they have reached a plateau, or want to get back in shape within a shorter time period. Zyzz lived a crazy ass lifestyle. The combination of all the dif types of amphetamines in his system, combined with some type of thermogenic tossed in the picture , the poor kid was a walking time bomb. Your body can only handle certain levels of abuse. I know a lot of people think hes a tool, or bash him. I give the kid credit! He was ripped up, lived a crzy, fun lifestyle. He wasn't afraid of posting all those whacked out, and drug induced videos. I dont think drug videos are cool, Im only stating he was not afraid to expose his true nature. Hell, he was only a kid. The sad but true part is, His name we continue to mentioned, and remembered in the BB community for some time to come.. Sleep Well, My Brother!!!!

 

[Goldenera]

"great genetics being key"

So u don't feel genetics has any play in bb?? I never said xyzzy fuck stick was natural by any means.....
Just saying genetics play a major role in how someone responds to diet and training. If u don't believe that.....well im fighting an uphill battle.

No question the dnp, gear and lifestyle created his look....as well as his demise.

 

[SamuelSamson]

id like to see that

I'd like to show it too you.

Just out of interest, are you using your maximum fat oxidation rate (290kj/kg of fat or 31Cals/lb of fat) to set your deficit?

 

[theCaptn']

I'd like to show it too you.

Just out of interest, are you using your maximum fat oxidation rate (290kj/kg of fat or 31Cals/lb of fat) to set your deficit?

You wear that purty eyeliner n lippy as well son?


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[Goodskie]

Fact: AAS = increased left ventricular hypertrophy
Fact: Cocaine + aas = dramaticlly increased left vetricular hypertrophy.
Cocaine + heart condition + aas

Anyone of those factors removed may have resulted in him not dying. What crystal ball do you have to say which one it was ? I could honestly care less but lets be for real ...his lifestyle contributed to his death and aas use was a big part of his lifestyle. As I said any one factor above remove he may still be around....you have no more of an idea which one than anyone else.

He died from a heart attack didn't he? What you're describing is CHF

 

[SFW]

I heard a frenchman pozzed his vials of tren.

 

[Merkaba]

lol at the amount of people that took any goddam thing in this thread seriously!

 

[longworthb]

Bro.....u just bumped it just sayin lol. Thread was dead

 

[Merkaba]

Bro.....u just bumped it just sayin lol. Thread was dead

By choice, yes only to talk shit. Because I'm just now re reading and seeing how long it went on. It's not like it was a month or year. I couldve been abducted by aliens for the past few days as far as you know....

 

[PitbullRescue]

Is not possible lol

You can not have that dry tight dense looking muscles natural.

That's bs. He got their faster with drugs but that physique is definitely attainable naturally with years & years of hard work and dedication. Don't expect to look like that after a year or two.

 

[PirateMonster]

That's bs. He got their faster with drugs but that physique is definitely attainable naturally with years & years of hard work and dedication. Don't expect to look like that after a year or two.

Plz cut naturally to below 10% bodyfat and see how full you look...



99.99% of people will look flat as chit at that sort of bodyfat naturally...

Furthermore obtaining that sort of muscle whilst remaining lean natty...lol

 

[charred99]

Shameless bump for a shameless bump. Dude was juiced outta his mind. Shredded to the bone. One of the most "aesthetic" physique I have ever seen though. RIP Big Fella

 

[theCaptn']

Yeah man, I would def have liked to have banged him senseless

 

[Tommygunzthomas]

shit load of dope for zyzz

 

[D-Lats]

I don't get the fascination with the guy. I wrestled guys in highschool that looked just like that minus the queer haircut and makeup.

 

[vegas]

honestly everyone hates on the kid so much he was a KID... He only worked out a very short amount of time . Not saying he was the most aesthetic just making a point when everyone was 18-21 if your worst mistakes were taking AAS and clubing and banging aussie chicks that would have been a step up for most