igf1 DES pinned IM + humalg Pre-workout

[D-Lats]

Will do bro thanks!

 

[HFO3]

Interesting thread

 

[Chrisotpherm]

I want to see how this works for SD. I'm running hgh and I'd like to get back on the slin I also have a bunch of igf des and ghrp6 anyone have a protocol for that combo. Sorry about the thread jack homie

CJC/GHRP 100mcg 3 times a day has been the normal protocol by many but found these dosage to be worthless. Try 150-300mcg of CJC and 2-300 of ghrp and you see great benefits. The most important pin is the one before bed.

 

[Standard Donkey]

i was thinking something like this:

(Mike's insulin protocol + additional humalog peri-workout)

5 minutes into training (200mcg IGF DES pinned IM bilaterally) focus will be on shoulders/arms/chest/traps lol

immediately post training in bathroom (200-400mcg MGF pinned into trained muscles) focus will be on shoulders/arms/chest/traps lol

1 hour before bed, 10mg melatonin (for the sleepies and increased GH)

20 minutes before bed (100-300mcg Ipamorelin) for the sleepies and increased GH

 

[Standard Donkey]

im trying to stay away from the long-acting systemic stuff like PEG MGF and IGF1 LR3


don't want anything growing that i dont want growing.. ya know?

 

[Pittsburgh63]

i was thinking something like this:

(Mike's insulin protocol + additional humalog peri-workout)

5 minutes into training (200mcg IGF DES pinned IM bilaterally) focus will be on shoulders/arms/chest/traps lol

immediately post training in bathroom (200-400mcg MGF pinned into trained muscles) focus will be on shoulders/arms/chest/traps lol

1 hour before bed, 10mg melatonin (for the sleepies and increased GH)

20 minutes before bed (100-300mcg Ipamorelin) for the sleepies and increased GH

Just keep in mind that the IGF will make you more insulin sensitive.. so you may wanna lower one or the other until you get a feel for how you respond. Layout looks pretty good.

 

[Standard Donkey]

ill get a little diabetic's bag so keep my preloaded Humalog, DES and MGF pins in, (with an ice pack of course) to take to the gym with me.


that will work to preserve the peptides right? IIRC, DES and MGF aren't extremely delicate like GH and LR3

 

[juicespringsteen]

I don't know that the IGF has to be introduced as the muscle is being damaged.. as much as after the damage has occurred. MGF is released as a first responder to begin repairing the damaged muscles. MGF causes cell proliferation, but needs IGF to differentiate (assign) the cells before they can begin to grow.


Here's my favorite way to run a pep stack. Just my opinion of what works best.

IGF Des Preworkout (within 10 min to training)
MGF 15-20 minutes post workout
IGF LR3 15-20 minutes after MGF

And of course you can always add in a GHRP/GHRH combo to kick things up a knotch.

I agree with what you are saying Pitt. I was only giving filimanov's opinion on DES. i believe his reasoning was that DES would blunt your natural mgf response if administered post workout, but i cant remember what his reasoning was for why he wouldn't administer DES preworkout either; however, he did have a reason that made sense. According to him, intra workout was the only plausible way to use DES

 

[Standard Donkey]

think ill have to use 200-400mcg peg mgf on non workout days

 

[Pittsburgh63]

I agree with what you are saying Pitt. I was only giving filimanov's opinion on DES. i believe his reasoning was that DES would blunt your natural mgf response if administered post workout, but i cant remember what his reasoning was for why he wouldn't administer DES preworkout either; however, he did have a reason that made sense. According to him, intra workout was the only plausible way to use DES

Since they work off the same receptors...and Igf would beat out mgf for the receptor..but your mgf levels peak roughly 30 minutes post workout. After that your good to go with IGF.

Again..just my opinion.

 

[Standard Donkey]

the professor in the podcast said that DES binds best to muscles that have lactic acid building up in them

 

[Pittsburgh63]

the professor in the podcast said that DES binds best to muscles that have lactic acid building up in them

Correct. Since IGF is a natural response to muscle damage.

 

[Standard Donkey]

i think im going to just use the DES peri-workout and PEG MGF on off days at 2pm (about 200-400mcg)


i think this is the most cost-effective way, and more simple

 

[Standard Donkey]

im going to lower my second dose of humalog to 6-8IU for this workout to see how things go. im only trying to cover the amount of carbs the protocol + my post wo meal prescribes me, not having to eat more..

cuz then ill get fat

this DES seems to have a lot of promise, the big guys over at PM seem to love it

 

[Standard Donkey]

Ok so today's workout was awesome


1arm BB rows (with meadows handle) 4 plates (25lbs ea.) x 8 (hard squeeze and contraction at top of each rep, stretch at bottom)

meadows Row (angled body to target/emphasize rhomboids) 4 plates (25lbs ea.) x10

Cable Low Row with rope (40x20x5 squeeze to target middle/lower traps) SS with BB Shrugs (not going to do BB shrugs next time) The rows really hit my lower/middle traps, i really recommend trying these, but with low weight to really feel the contraction.

Rack Deads (2 inches above knee, trying to take emphasis off lower back and place it on traps) 405+4 chains (22.5lbs each)x3. DC stretch. more chains on the way from Elitefts, should be here before next back w/o

2 pulldown variations 1 of them had independent handles, the other i did close grip supinated facing away from the machine for a great stretch (focused on stretch/contraction) DC stretch

Banded hyperextensions, band behind head 3x failure, these killed my spinal erectors.. intense pump



insulin timing went like this:

Mike arnold's protocol + pinned an extra 8iu 1 hour after first pin, started going hypo right as i sat down to eat my post w/o meal, 7oz chicken cooked with 1 cup cooked white rice

will repeat post w/o meal (IE no fats) in 2.5-3 hours


did more DC stretch at home + foam rolled while my p/wo meal warmed up



yeeeee

 

[BlueJayMuscle]

Ok so today's workout was awesome


1arm BB rows (with meadows handle) 4 plates (25lbs ea.) x 8 (hard squeeze and contraction at top of each rep, stretch at bottom)

meadows Row (angled body to target/emphasize rhomboids) 4 plates (25lbs ea.) x10

Cable Low Row with rope (40x20x5 squeeze to target middle/lower traps) SS with BB Shrugs (not going to do BB shrugs next time) The rows really hit my lower/middle traps, i really recommend trying these, but with low weight to really feel the contraction.

Rack Deads (2 inches above knee, trying to take emphasis off lower back and place it on traps) 405+4 chains (22.5lbs each)x3. DC stretch. more chains on the way from Elitefts, should be here before next back w/o

2 pulldown variations 1 of them had independent handles, the other i did close grip supinated facing away from the machine for a great stretch (focused on stretch/contraction) DC stretch

Banded hyperextensions, band behind head 3x failure, these killed my spinal erectors.. intense pump



insulin timing went like this:

Mike arnold's protocol + pinned an extra 8iu 1 hour after first pin, started going hypo right as i sat down to eat my post w/o meal, 7oz chicken cooked with 1 cup cooked white rice

will repeat post w/o meal (IE no fats) in 2.5-3 hours


did more DC stretch at home + foam rolled while my p/wo meal warmed up



yeeeee

Sick bro. Keep it goin. Kill it. Should I be lookin out for you on the ifbb stage soon?? Haha

Also what do you think of cerebrolysin? Looks too good to be true


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[Standard Donkey]

Sick bro. Keep it goin. Kill it. Should I be lookin out for you on the ifbb stage soon?? Haha

Also what do you think of cerebrolysin? Looks too good to be true


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---

Cerebrolysin is a new and revolutionary drug
which not treats the symptoms but also addresses the causes of alzhiemer?s
disease to effectively treat this debilitating
condition.

Cerebrolysin not only improve the function and the
quantity of neurons and brain transmitters, cerebrolysin not only
decreases the rate at which brain cells die, it?s known to block
exitocins ? now believed to be one of the main causes of alzheimer disease.
These excitocins enter the blood stream through the food that we eat, mainly MSG
and sugar substitute aspartame present in our diet.

Cerebrolysin
by blocking these exitocins not only prevents damage, but also appears to
help support and maintain neurons including: serotonin, choline (related
to Acetylcholine) and noradrenaline, thus treating and preventing the occurrence
of alzhiemer?s disease.

As cerebrolysin (or CRB) appears to also
affect synaptic responses in the hippocampus - the region of the brain
responsible for functions of memory, cerebrolysin autism treatment has
also been proven and studied in many of the clinical trials involving autistic
and dyslexic patients. In over 80 clinical trials with over 5000 patients
with mild to moderate cases of the condition, using cerbrolysin was found to
significantly improve cognitive powers. Since cerebrolysin is derived
from natural ingredient cerebrolysin side effects are from very few to
nil.

Cerebrolysin dosage is about a 5ml ampoule injected either in the
muscle or in the vein each day for 5 days, then repeated for a period of 4
weeks. The cycle is repeated after a short break of two month treatment
period.



looks interesting, might have to look into it for grad school lol

 

[BlueJayMuscle]

---

Cerebrolysin is a new and revolutionary drug
which not treats the symptoms but also addresses the causes of alzhiemer?s
disease to effectively treat this debilitating
condition.

Cerebrolysin not only improve the function and the
quantity of neurons and brain transmitters, cerebrolysin not only
decreases the rate at which brain cells die, it?s known to block
exitocins ? now believed to be one of the main causes of alzheimer disease.
These excitocins enter the blood stream through the food that we eat, mainly MSG
and sugar substitute aspartame present in our diet.

Cerebrolysin
by blocking these exitocins not only prevents damage, but also appears to
help support and maintain neurons including: serotonin, choline (related
to Acetylcholine) and noradrenaline, thus treating and preventing the occurrence
of alzhiemer?s disease.

As cerebrolysin (or CRB) appears to also
affect synaptic responses in the hippocampus - the region of the brain
responsible for functions of memory, cerebrolysin autism treatment has
also been proven and studied in many of the clinical trials involving autistic
and dyslexic patients. In over 80 clinical trials with over 5000 patients
with mild to moderate cases of the condition, using cerbrolysin was found to
significantly improve cognitive powers. Since cerebrolysin is derived
from natural ingredient cerebrolysin side effects are from very few to
nil.

Cerebrolysin dosage is about a 5ml ampoule injected either in the
muscle or in the vein each day for 5 days, then repeated for a period of 4
weeks. The cycle is repeated after a short break of two month treatment
period.



looks interesting, might have to look into it for grad school lol

Exactly why I'm considering it. Limitless drug anybody?? I'd start at 1ml IM per day and observe effects but not go higher than 5ml per day


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[nspaletta]

Standard....just make sure the des you get is legit. American made peptide companies like southern and rui have great des but you pay the extra price for it. run it for 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off with igf as well to keep from creating antibodies for it. great product to use pre and post workout in my opinion and very effective.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Standard....just make sure the des you get is legit. American made peptide companies like southern and rui have great des but you pay the extra price for it. run it for 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off with igf as well to keep from creating antibodies for it. great product to use pre and post workout in my opinion and very effective.

always a good call to get legit stuff..


ergopep is supposed to have a decent compound.. it's really cheap so i doubt it's completely legit, but hey.. if it makes training more fun then why not?

 

[Standard Donkey]

Sick bro. Keep it goin. Kill it. Should I be lookin out for you on the ifbb stage soon?? Haha




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lol even if i had the genes to be an IFBB pro, it's not the life i want to live.


anyways, crushed shoulders/arms in the gym today, Mike arnold's protocol + 11iu peri-workout humalog (i think im the only person who does peri-workout slin lmao)..

my reasoning behind peri-workout humalog is this

Mike Arnold's protocol is like this

30 minutes pre-workout, pin 15iu Humalog and down first shake (fill body with nutrients as humalog hits)

1 hour later drink second shake (1st shot of humalog is peaking), take second shot and down second drink. second shot hits as second drink it downed

1 hour later drink 3rd shake (second shot of humalog is peaking, first is tapering down but still active)

1 hour later post workout meal (second shot of humalog is tapering down, but still active)

3 hours later, eat another fat free meal (humalog should be almost / completely worn off by now), but no sense in taking chances and eating a P/C/F meal

i dont think im exposing myself to insulin anymore than someone who is using humulin R would be.. using this method 5 days a week, 4 weeks on 4 off

using new methods to hit my triceps, they were killer.. can't wait to see what results they bring in time.


once again started going hypo as i sat down for my post-workout meal 1 hour post workout.. seems like i've timed everything perfectly... lol. hypo is unpleasant, but not nearly what most here have made it out to be

 

[Standard Donkey]

think im gunna stay out of the peptide game for now..



these things just aren't priced accurately.. should literally be 10x what they are being sold for IMO, plus ive read that suppliers are putting insulin in their products so that their users get results..


not sure if that's true, but i do know for a fact these things can't be produced at the price they are being sold for..


so im sticking with Slin + AAS, for now at least

 

[tinyshrek]

Just buy some rips or hyges

 

[Standard Donkey]

Just buy some rips or hyges

maybe somewhere down the line when im more advanced/have more money.. slin is cheap, gear is cheap..


hgh is not

 

[5thou]

Well that sucks to hear about the DES. I am on my 2nd vial and have bought from two different sources. One source was like $85plus, the other was like $40. I hope I did not get screwed on either. I was pinning 100iu bi, 2hr post workout and I felt like I had a pretty good pump. Then the other day I did it 10min pre workout and I felt like the pumps were out of this world. Even today my legs were so thick and full after 3 sets of squats. I have been told it is best to pin 2 hrs post workout, but man the pumps are so much better pre....

I feel like I would run into fake HGH if I went down that road that is why I wanted to try the peps first... Now I am just confused as hell.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Well that sucks to hear about the DES. I am on my 2nd vial and have bought from two different sources. One source was like $85plus, the other was like $40. I hope I did not get screwed on either. I was pinning 100iu bi, 2hr post workout and I felt like I had a pretty good pump. Then the other day I did it 10min pre workout and I felt like the pumps were out of this world. Even today my legs were so thick and full after 3 sets of squats. I have been told it is best to pin 2 hrs post workout, but man the pumps are so much better pre....

I feel like I would run into fake HGH if I went down that road that is why I wanted to try the peps first... Now I am just confused as hell.

i might have to give DES a try.. from ergopep.

 

[BlueJayMuscle]

i might have to give DES a try.. from ergopep.

agreed

 

[Standard Donkey]

agreed

actually not going to go with ergopep, just saw a thread on another forum where former EP reps were talking about negative experiences with the company, it's products, and PH.

apparently there is a cloud of BS surrounding that place, think ill search around here.


if any supplier wants to hit me up with freebies ill log em

 

[BlueJayMuscle]

actually not going to go with ergopep, just saw a thread on another forum where former EP reps were talking about negative experiences with the company, it's products, and PH.

apparently there is a cloud of BS surrounding that place, think ill search around here.


if any supplier wants to hit me up with freebies ill log em

x2 for real though. Down for any logged peps

 

[Standard Donkey]

tommorrow im going to pin my peri-workout humalog IM instead of Subq


doing this makes it hit way faster. Will be following mike arnold's protocol otherwise



im also going to change my post workout meal protein source from chicken breast to egg whites