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KLEEN MASS with Super-DMZ

Kleen

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No this is not about the De-Militiarized Zone, but about a new bad ass Dymethazine clone Super-DMZ by Iron Mag Labs. First I want to thank Prince for being so generous and allowing such a newcomer to the forums to run a log with this product.

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Nutrition
I am sticking to what I know works for me, and will do my original plan of eating a larger amount of protein intake and about 50 grams carbs post workout, carb refeeds Wednesday and Saturday Night/Sunday morning. If I feel I need more I will add in 1/2 cup oats. to meal 2 and 3. I will increase my half a grapefruit servings to a whole grapefruit, making that 2 grapefruits a day and 1-2 cups of blueberries. I will work up the full blown diet tomorrow but I am only looking at about 2500-2700 calories to start and see where I go from there. Since I have been getting in about 2000 calories lately that will be an adequate jump I can adjust up easily from there to 2800-3000. I would much rather gain 10-12 sexy ass pounds of lbm then 15-20 lbs with some bloating. That is just me. I am also going to move my protein up to 300+ grams of protein a day not counting BCAA's which will end up being in the 30-50 gram range on workout days. I have read about the glycogen retention from Dymethazine and people feeling lethargic due to this however my body is used to running off of fat so I will keep carbs where they need to be for me to make me feel good and get great lifts. If I can do that by only adding in 100 grams over my usual 100-150 I am good to go. If not then I will increase them. If this thing causes me issue with glycogen then really I am just going to have to respond to how the product treats me. Glycogen is great and all but it isn't muscle it just adds volume to the muscle. I can load up on carbs and gain 10 lbs in 48 hours. I won't have that by the end of the week so I don't count that as gaining muscle, just basically like filling up a water balloon.

Training
When it comes to training, I can't go balls to the wall heavy anyway do to some injuries I am working through and or around, so I am deciding exactly how I am going to arrange the program. I tend to lift relatively instinctively after 20+ years I feel it is a good method when you know your body. However the wife is working out with me tomorrow and Tuesday and her surgery is Wednesday. That is when the change will in training happen to increase the volume, perhaps something similar to GVT, or I may keep my current split but adopt a much slower tempo to work time under tension. I respond very well to the slow reps method and it will keep my weights down so I don't injure my self too bad. I would really expect to see me move around a lot regarding training.

The Beginning

I took my first dose yesterday morning and went to the gym. I don't know if it was placebo or that I had about 25 grams of carb pre-workout but I was extremely pumped during and after this workout. Nothing else of notice and not sure if it had anything to do with the compound.

I have all my support supps ready to go. People really seem to be worried about blood pressure on this so on top of my Cycle Assist I have a BP specific product I am taking as well since I feel I should run this product as intended to see what the true effects are. I will be watching sides like a hawk, and taking blood pressure regularly. If I notice a spike even while taking the other products then I will simply cut back to 10mg a day and that does not resolve it we will have learned something about the product either way.

Today is Day 2 and I took on in the morning and one a short while ago. I am trying to take the Super-DMZ about 1 ½ hours before I take my Cycle assist so that the stuff has been broken down by the liver already before the liver support stuff goes in and does it's thing. I have read that taking them two close together can cause issues with the PH's being broken down correctly by the liver.

My beginning Stats as of 8-21-10
BW 190 – Have been carb depleting for over a week and lost 5 lbs of water and glycogen....

Thigh 24.5
Waist just above navel – 33
Arms 15 relaxed, 16 5/8 flexed
Chest 45 7/8

Here is a picture of me from same day for a reference point.
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I would venture to say you will probably have to up the carbs some,that would be my advice at least.

will be following along for sure!
 
I"ll be getting a bottle of this stuff also.. I'm pretty excited to run it!

Prince is the BEST!
 
Welcome everyone! Thanks for coming on in. This should be one hell of a ride.

I would venture to say you will probably have to up the carbs some,that would be my advice at least.

will be following along for sure!

Well I am going to see what I need to do. I am ridiculously carb intolerant. My family has a history of type 2 diabetes stemming from Hyper-Insulimia, meaning our bodies have always produce excessive amounts of insulin in proportion to the amount of carbs ingested. That is not due to a lack of insulin sensitivity but instead just how our bodies operate on a normal basis. We eat carbs then go Hypoglycemic due to the huge burst of insulin. This even happens with oatmeal, or sweet potatoes.

I am also going to look into the reason this is supposed to increase glycogen uptake. If it simply increases GLUT4 uptake reaction in the muscle then awesome I have no need to up my carbs at all. I will just use leucine for any insulin release I want. As I stated before I am not looking to fill up the balloon so to speak I am looking to build a thicker balloon instead. My carb refeeds will give me the muscle wall stretches I need as well as me stretching while I have a pump to easily acheive new growth. If the lethargy associated with this product is indeed do to low blood sugar then I have nothing to worry about because my body doesn't run off of carbs. It runs predominantly off of fat. At best I will take a GDA, and a large dose of carbs surrounding my workout, then follow it 45-60 minute later with a healthy dose of EVCO or straight MCT Oil to help my body get back into fat burning mode. Blood sugar being lower is not a problem for me as long as fats are high and protein is adequate. We will see though.

Something else to keep in mind. Excess insulin levels cause two things that we don't really need while on a product like this. High blood pressure and a bad lipid profile. Lowering HDL and increasing LDL, I don't need that on top of this product having the same sides.

On an interesting note. My wife was looking at all of my support supps like What the hell! Then she went into theWet Sauna and I told her I couldn't go in there this month because Jacuzzi' and Wet Sauna/steam rooms are known to elevate blood pressure. Why are you doing that if you can't do your normal things and need to take 20 other things to prevent yourself from having an issue? I told her well to put it bluntly my love because you have a problem with me using real gear which is leaps and bound safer option than any Pro-Hormone or Pro-Steriod. I said it is a little hypocritical that we have used recreational drugs that are just as illegal and for some reason you have an issue with real gear so I am taking this. It is legal my love but it is a Designer Steroid! I have a feeling the wall may break down soon. I can fix all of that later by just going to the Doc post cycle and getting test to show I am low on test and get on TRT. I just have to find a decent Dr around Houston who isn't afraid to prescribe Test Cyp or Enanthate for TRT.
 
Ha ur still alive after calling out the wife! ! True points but if u get one script then you can always say he gave it to u lol good luck
 
Day 3

Well I took 10 mg on Saturday, 20mg yesterday and am sticking here unless sides creep up badly.

This morning was cardio did it fasted with 5 grams glutamine taken 10-15 minutes prior. Walked treadmill for 45 minutes burning 520 calories.

A little about what I am noticing. I am very alpha right now. Easily agg'd at simple things. I can not swear it is the Super-DMZ or if it is my body revolting to lowering HCG levels. I get aggressive when I quit my greens. :pissed: However I have things going on in my life that I want to focus on and just don't have room in my life for that now. I need everything Go, Go, Go, and not SLOW, SLOW SLOWWW... I will say that the feeling amplified a bit yesterday from the norm so I assume it is probably the high androgenic activity of the compound giving it that boost.

I increased carbs on Saturday but it just didn't sit right with me. I chose to go back to my normal style of eating before the end of the day and just decided to count that as my typical carb up. Yesterday I was back on normal grub maybe a tiny bit looser on the carbs. I ate Spaghetti meat sauce for breakfast and lunch which I make myself with 97/3 ground turkey and lots of it. It is definitely way more meat than it is sauce. Picture an assload of lean ground turkey with just enough spaghetti source to coat the meat and that is what I am talking about. I smoked a pork loin on the pit yesterday and that was dinner with some fresh spinach and a half grapefruit and some fish-oil.

I gave away my beer that I had in the house to a freind who came by. Sent him home with a six pack. I am not a daily drinker not even close but a social one or a 1 here or there after a rough day. However I saw no reason to have it there to tempt me.

This mornings food was 4oz ground turkey, 2 whole eggs, 4 egg whites, 1 slice fat free cheese, capsicum AKA Cayene, hot sauce and 3 fish oils. I took my BP supp and Super-DMZ with this meal, and went to work. My second meal 3.5 hours later took Cycle Assist with it, the meal consisted of 28 almonds, 2.5 scoops Whey protein, half a grapefruit. Water consumption so far today has been just a little over a half gallon by 10:30 AM.

I am also replacing MOST of my coffee with Green Tea to get extra anti- oxidants, and hopefully less of a diuretic effect.
 
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Ha ur still alive after calling out the wife! ! True points but if u get one script then you can always say he gave it to u lol good luck

You know I don't call her out on stuff often. We have a deal.. well I told her this is just the way things are when we got together. I said "Look, I am an easy going guy who is going to go along with 95-98% of whatever you want to do, and how you want to do things. With that being the case when I put my foot down on something you will accept it or we will fight until you give up or leave. You need to just honor that one wish of mine and I expect that respect from you. I don't want you to think I am a push over by my usual complacency with your wants and decisions. For me, if it isn't overly important to me your way works. When it needs to be my way you know." It has worked very well for us. When she sees me get heated about something she knows now after 8 years of marriage that regardless of how much she bucks it is just going to be my way. She also knows that normally when I advise her one way and she goes the other she finds out she should have followed my advice. By allowing her to make that mistake it just makes it that much easier for her to admit she should have listened and to follow my lead when I say it MUST be my way. However gear is not one of those important things like that but she knows to take me seriously when I do speak against her opinions. Oh yeah as far as the script once she saw a doctor recommend it they wouldn't be a problem. She fears roid rage due to an abusive ex so I respect it but after this run I will explain to her how much more androgenic this is than Test and that she saw how I was able to contain myself on it. Then I can be a little more healthy about my stuff.

DAMN I told you I felt alpha wasn't any need for me to tell you that story.... :ohyeah:
 
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By the way guys, although I love porn as much as the next guy, I update my log at work. PLEASE do not post any nudes in this log. Sexy scantily clad women are fine but nothing nude please.
 
You know I don't call her out on stuff often. We have a deal.. well I told her this is just the way things are when we got together. I said "Look, I am an easy going guy who is going to go along with 95-98% of whatever you want to do, and how you want to do things. With that being the case when I put my foot down on something you will accept it or we will fight until you give up or leave. You need to just honor that one wish of mine and I expect that respect from you. I don't want you to think I am a push over by my usual complacency with your wants and decisions. For me, if it isn't overly important to me your way works. When it needs to be my way you know." It has worked very well for us. When she sees me get heated about something she knows now after 8 years of marriage that regardless of how much she bucks it is just going to be my way. She also knows that normally when I advise her one way and she goes the other she finds out she should have followed my advice. By allowing her to make that mistake it just makes it that much easier for her to admit she should have listened and to follow my lead when I say it MUST be my way. However gear is not one of those important things like that but she knows to take me seriously when I do speak against her opinions. Oh yeah as far as the script once she saw a doctor recommend it they wouldn't be a problem. She fears roid rage due to an abusive ex so I respect it but after this run I will explain to her how much more androgenic this is than Test and that she saw how I was able to contain myself on it. Then I can be a little more healthy about my stuff.

DAMN I told you I felt alpha wasn't any need for me to tell you that story.... :ohyeah:

Thats sounds like a solid plan and its how i worked it
 
Good to know, she sounds like a reasonable woman to me. However I think if nothing else TRT will be the course of the day. There is already no chance of us having any more children and if she left me I would have a vasectomy appointment the day after.... No more kids for me!!! I love and adore mine and have the perfect amount.
 
nice kleen, how many kids you got if you dont mind asking
 
I have 3, 2 live with me and one lives with the ex.
 
Hey Everyone, I will update more specifics later had a great workout and maybe I had some strength gains, or placebo effect but lifted a little more weight in the same rep ranges. I was feeling a little off yesterday but today I feel like superman. Alpha Maleness / Aggression is definitely up too. In high spirits though even in the face of stressful situations both at home and work.
 
Update with a workout comparison

Tempos are just over a second per direction with no pause.

8-10-2010 – previous time I did HS Dorian Rows
HS weights per side

HS Rows - 45x15, 70x15, 80x15, 80x15
HS High Rows 70x15 x2 sets, 70x12
Cybex Preacher Curls 90x15, changed to neutral grip, 90x8, 70x15, 50x15
DB Curls 25x15 x 2 sets
DB Hammer Curls 20x15 2 sets

8-24-2010 - today
HS weights per side
Same tempo as listed above.

HS Dorian Rows – 70x15, 90x15, 90x15, 90x12, 80x14 – I probably put more effort in the end but these felt much easier and I was heavier. I was pushing it last time too just keeping them slower on reps as usual. Grip was really getting my tendonitis. Will definitely be going to GVT.
Close Grip Pull Downs – 135x15, 135x15, 120x15, 120x12, 105x15 Not to bad for the tempo but elbow was getting to me so lowered weight as I went.

Cybex Preacher Curls - 95x15, 95x15, 95x13, 80x12
DB Hammer Curls – 30x15, 25x15, 25x14 -

Really trying not to go too heavy here as you can tell but the difference in the way the weight felt was obvious or good placebo. I am also noticing my jaw is tight towards the end of the day. I think I may be clenching most of the day with out knowing.
 
Day 5 Cardio

Have to get my wife to the Hospital for a surgery so I got up 30 minutes earlier and did HIIT on my home elliptical, that thins is more like full body resistance training. 30 minute 540 calories. Feeling good looking a little leaner and maybe thicker, will weigh in on Saturday at the week mark.
 
Day -5 more updates.

Definite Alpha Male feelings with this. I would say that it gives you a heightened level of gameness to describe it best. It is becoming easy to recognize it and adjust my reaction to it. You know you need to get used to it at first just this basically started day 1 of this as there was no buildup needed.

Speaking of quick acting, I am looking at myself and seeing some things I like, shoulders seem to be more full and lean. My vasularity is increasing, abs are coming out more. I feel bigger and fuller just standing there. Not bad for today being day 5.

I am also feeling an increased desire to hit the gym. I am craving a lift badly. Tomorrow I will begin a GVT type program with Leg press and probably Romanian Dead Lifts as the choices. My hams and glutes really get a lot out of them and I can focus my leg press on the quads by coming in lower on the platform. I back pumps become an issue I will have to use seated leg curls for hamstrings. Squats are a bit insane in this program especially with the risks of back pumps already looming.

Diet was spot on except for today but I kept it close regarding eating style and on the light side of calories for right now but not much. I have drank 1.25 gallons water and now drinking out of a big 44 oz cup. I will stop drinking in about an hour and have a carb up meal at 9:00 PM so I am going to take the Super-DMZ with some a little food at 8 see if it has any effect on the carb up. I will be taking in 150 grams of carbs tonight with some healthy fats to let them slow fill me up over night. Lack of water an hour before or after this meal will keep me from holding so much water from it. I should have good energy for tomorrows lift.

By the way I have experience nothing in the form of hypo being on my normal lower carb regiment and no lethargy as of yet.
 
Hows your Chest routine look?
 
I will be doing GVT on all of them going forward split like this, Chest/back, quads/hams, Shoulders, Arms. Sets will be done as antagonistic Sets with about 60 seconds between them so 2 minutes rest for each body part but one minute rest for me. Will be done with a 4-0-2 tempo. The reason I am sticking with Hammer Strength to limit possibility of any injury to shoulders by added stability. There are going to be some MAJOR DOMS associated to this workout, and if not then Holy Shit this Super-DMZ is powerful.

Monday = Cardio

Tuesday = Chest 10x10 of HS Decline Bench Press 3 sets, DB Flies & Back 10x10 HS Rows, 3 sets Supine Grip lat pull downs.

Wednesday = Cardio

Thursday = Quads -10x10 leg press, 3 sets leg extensions, & Hamstrings - 10x10 Romanian Dead Lifts, 3 sets seated leg curls

Friday = Cardio

Saturday = Shoulders HS Shoulder Press 10x8, 4 sets DB Upright Rows with wide arc, Biceps - Incline DB Curls 10x8 Triceps - Overhead DB Ext 10x8

Sunday = Rest.
 
I'm subscribed. Interesting thread... good luck with your cycle!
 
Day 6 Leg Day 1 of GVT

I didn't sleep well last night since my wife was in the hospital it just felt weird. Couldn't wind down and just generally couldn't sleep. Well I slept through apparently hitting snooze through at least 3 cycles because I woke up about 25 minutes late.

When I set up my weights and estimations I was using a different and easier leg press and the one I like more was available so I used it. I plan to try to stay on this one however it had been broken for a bit so I hadn't been able too. Either way I had to lower the starting weight to 3 plates and a 25 on each side. Rather than write down all of the sets I will just mention the ones I didn't make it to 10 on and the reps, as well as how some of the sets in between felt.

Alternating Antagonist Sets Leg Press / Romanian DL 60 seconds rest between execises maybe sometimes 45. I waspushing the pace to make up for lost time.

Leg Press 320 Weight only - Set 8= 7 , Set 9 =10 somehow! Set 10 =7 - Man these were beastly, I made sure to go very slow and count out my negatives and what not to assure tempo for the first 4 sets then kind of went by familiarity of how long that had taken me. I started having a really hard time around set 5 finishing was getting harder and harder by set 7 I realized I had been doing little breaks at lockout to be able to finish the set and stopped doing that on the next one and failed. I will move up to 340 as soon as I get all of them at a 10x10. I also noticed I sped the reps up a tiny bit toward the end and had to put that back in check.

Romanian DL - Set 7 =8, Set 8 =6, Set 9 =9, Set 10 =7, man my legs were quiviering and my lower back was twinging the tiniest bit. I couldn't tell if it was going to pump on me or just getting it's azz kicked. It ended up just being the latter. My legs were quivering as I pulled the weight on these on the last 4 sets.

I was running out of time because I had woken up late so instead of 3 sets of the Isolation work I did 1 Set with 2 drops.

Leg Extensions - with hips and toes rotated in for outer sweep- 75x11>55x6>35x2, the slow tempos just set my quads on fire, totally burned them down with the drop set.

Seated Leg Curls - 70x10>50x9>30x8 I have to say my hams were smoked after this these felt so isolated after the other work I would compare the contraction to a cable curl. WOW I was just done and in a nice state of good pain.

Was very intense workout to soldier through. I am tempted to go ahead and move up the 20 lbs on Leg Press though with the compound being ran I see not reason not to expect a boost. As far as the Romanians I think I need to get another workout on them since I missed 10 on so many. If i get 10x10 on all on next one I will increase weight on leg curls to finish of hams then and then go up the next workout. My legs are fugging fubar. I can feel it just sitting here they don't even know what the hell has happened to them.


Sides - So far nothing to mention.
Strength - Hard to tell starting brand new program. it is also not the goal of this but if I can move up most weeks I am doing well.
Pumps - Man I have to say pumps have been off the charts on all 3 workouts since starting Super-DMZ.
Composition - As I mentioned yesterday my composition seems to be changing already. In part due to spot on diet and in part due to this product. I see changes in the mirror and I think others will be noticing by next week for sure. Right now I feel like I am aggressively recomping. Losing fat and adding muscle at a quick rate. I was right at a threshold bodyfat where everything was going to be noticeable and so far to me anyway it is working.
Vascularity - DEFINITE INCREASE HERE!!! I was in my wife beater just rolling my wifes bag to her at the hospital and saw my reflection in the window. The veins were spidering across my shoulder and my biceps on the arm that had I had the suitcase on. Keep in mind I was rolling it not lifting it, no exertion and I was full on vascular as if in the middle of a lift.
 
Subbed have not been around Ironmag much as of late. Kleen you will also know me as pembroke3355. If you guys want a complete and informative log with no bull this is the log you want to follow.
 
Subbed have not been around Ironmag much as of late. Kleen you will also know me as pembroke3355. If you guys want a complete and informative log with no bull this is the log you want to follow.

Welcome and thanks for coming man. People need to get in here this is getting exciting!
 
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