MASS Building Cycle

[saint924]

I got a vendor for US grade stuff
Which I put in my last post. So far this is what I put together. In hopes
to avoid least side effects.

My Stats:
Trained since 16
21 years old
Height: 5'7 "small frame"
weight: 155lbs Lean/Muscular (started at 126lbs)


My 25 year old bro will run this too hes 20lbs less and like only 5'4. I'll
be forcing a healthy and abundant of dieting down his throat since we live together. (Im studying for nutrition and
know my shit)

Cycle:
Test E/Deca
week 01-10 Test E 1cc (once a week)
Week 01-10 Deca 1cc (once a week)

week 03-12: HCG 500UI (once a week) Or should I do it 250 ui Every 3 days? It'll be a pain though

Arimidex on hand if gyno flares up @
1mg a day for 1 week hopefully this will
stop it.

week 12-15: Clomid 100/50/50 + Nolva 40/20/20

I'll also be taking 1000MG Vitamin C 3 x a day to keep cortisole down
And possibly some creatine as well after cycle.

 

[SloppyJ]

You can grow much more on your own. And unless those are dosed at 500mg that isn't gonna do shit.

 

[saint924]

My weight chart shows that naturally my max weight should be 160lbs anything past that
is overweight. Can I make more gains.. sure but most of them will be fat and take a good 2-4 more years of hard training to gain solid lean muscle. I don't feel like waiting that long.. after 5 years of working out I need a push I can feel my self slipping and Ive intended on jumping on the anabolic's for a while now. Besides most people don't wait till there max natural gains. Im already big now.. with this cycle it can only help me fill in and get bigger. I just want to avoid sides as I already told my vendor and I cant back out now its do or die. And really 500mg? That much deca would shut me down bad wouldent it? I've seen gains at this dose of 35lbs and 25lbs kept. What of the PCT and HCG dosing? should i split the HCG?

 

[OutWhey]

OP, increase the test to 2 cc a week. Depending on your concentration of test, it is 250mg or 300mg.

Drop the deca

Run your PCT


You will grow bud!

 

[Spraynpray]

My weight chart shows that naturally my max weight should be 160lbs anything past that
is overweight.

 

[pieguy]

Ur calculator is all types of messed up.

 

[saint924]

I'm looking for help and input. Where em I wrong in regards to my calculator being messed up? Are you talking about where my weight should be based on my frame? Or the amount I'm planning on taking?

 

[SloppyJ]

2-4 more years of hard training to gain solid lean muscle. I don't feel like waiting that long..

You srs bro?

And no youre not anywhere close to "Big" at 150lbs. Let's clear that up right meow.

Why waste your first cycle on something like this? Wait until you actually need it.

If you've been working out for 5 years you need to STOP that diet/workout program and research and find a new one.

 

[vannesb]

The only advice i would give you other than being to young, if you are set on running a cycle is run just Test for first cycle 500mg per week for 10 weeks and have a good PCT in place. Then if you want to run test and Deca do it then. If you are running multiple compounds and you start getting really negative sides you will not know what is causeing it if running multiple compunds.

To be honest at 21 yrs old you should EAT BIG and train HARD for another year. Your grown so make your own choice, but jacking with this stuff while young has the posibilty of issues. That being said there are plenty of people on this forum who started at your age. I was in my 40's myself.

 

[l69lou]

OP, increase the test to 2 cc a week. Depending on your concentration of test, it is 250mg or 300mg.

Drop the deca

Run your PCT


You will grow bud!

IMHO running less than 400mg of test is a waste of time and money. Any dose of AAS that is enough to cause muscle growth will shut down your testosterone. 100mgs of deca / wk has been shown to cause 100% shut down in studies. Should you shut down your natural test at this point in life - NO. Somehow I doubt you are open to advice but if you do a search here you will find the reasons and hear the stories over and over. At 155lbs you need to build a deeper foundation with sound training and diet before going down this road. By the way those weight charts are NOT for bodybuilders !

 

[bigbenj]

My weight chart shows that naturally my max weight should be 160lbs anything past that
is overweight

so if its "assisted muscle" then its all good. but if its over 160 and natural its overweight??......

dump your dumb ass chart and all this shit you think you know. sounds like youre too much of a "by the book" type of guy.

I really dont understand these guys around my age. I just started cycling this year, at 23 years old. I never took REAL consideration of a cycle at any age younger than that. 21 and wanting to cycle is stupid. What the fuck is up with all these new guys being my height 5'7-5'8, weighing only 150-160 and wanting to cycle? god damn Im an impatient bastard, and I mean very impatient, but I know when its not my time yet. At 21 its definitely not your time. but you wont listen so heres my advice. Drop the deca. Like V said, youll have no clue how you react to each compound individually if you run two for a first cycle. Plus your doses are low as shit and a waste of time, money, and gear. 500mg test a week for 10 weeks, .5-1mg adex ed/eod, and a proper pct.

 

[squigader]

I got a vendor for US grade stuff
Which I put in my last post. So far this is what I put together. In hopes
to avoid least side effects.

My Stats:
Trained since 16
21 years old
Height: 5'7 "small frame"
weight: 155lbs Lean/Muscular (started at 126lbs)


My 25 year old bro will run this too hes 20lbs less and like only 5'4. I'll
be forcing a healthy and abundant of dieting down his throat since we live together. (Im studying for nutrition and
know my shit)

Cycle:
Test E/Deca
week 01-10 Test E 1cc (once a week)
Week 01-10 Deca 1cc (once a week)

week 03-12: HCG 500UI (once a week) Or should I do it 250 ui Every 3 days? It'll be a pain though

Arimidex on hand if gyno flares up @
1mg a day for 1 week hopefully this will
stop it.

week 12-15: Clomid 100/50/50 + Nolva 40/20/20

I'll also be taking 1000MG Vitamin C 3 x a day to keep cortisole down
And possibly some creatine as well after cycle.

You don't need it bro, you still have a good 2-3 years of training in you, and your brother too. Especially at your age. Don't risk your HPTA over this shit.

PS The vitamin C also won't have a significant effect on cortisol 3x a day.

 

[bigbenj]

Post up a picture. Im curous as to how 150lbs is big.

 

[bigbenj]

The person you know who gained 35lbs off this cycle probably was like you, nowhere near maxed out, tons of room to grow. The vets here are the guys who are happy to keep a couple lbs from a cycle. Why? Because they're much further along in development. IMO, if you keep 25lbs off of a cycle, you were nowhere near ready.

 

[heavyiron]

More Testosterone and stop the Deca at week 8.

 

[bigbenj]

Heavy, do you ever tell anyone to wait? LOL

 

[heavyiron]

17 and under can fuck off and learn how to eat, train and be patient.

 

[bigbenj]

Yeah, I guess by 18 you're legally an adult, so you can do as you please.

 

[saint924]

so if its "assisted muscle" then its all good. but if its over 160 and natural its overweight??......

dump your dumb ass chart and all this shit you think you know. sounds like youre too much of a "by the book" type of guy.

I really dont understand these guys around my age. I just started cycling this year, at 23 years old. I never took REAL consideration of a cycle at any age younger than that. 21 and wanting to cycle is stupid. What the fuck is up with all these new guys being my height 5'7-5'8, weighing only 150-160 and wanting to cycle? god damn Im an impatient bastard, and I mean very impatient, but I know when its not my time yet. At 21 its definitely not your time. but you wont listen so heres my advice. Drop the deca. Like V said, youll have no clue how you react to each compound individually if you run two for a first cycle. Plus your doses are low as shit and a waste of time, money, and gear. 500mg test a week for 10 weeks, .5-1mg adex ed/eod, and a proper pct.

(Sorry this reply is late I had to drop someone off home I forgot to send it.)

I did not mean it like that. What I am basing it on is the normal limitations of my body type. For a person of my size my index shows that 160 is my max healthy weight (not saying I cant gain more weight just saying it is really difficult to exceed this weight with a low % of body fat). I found it is a lot harder to gain weight/mass then lose weight in fact I cant understand how someone can ever become over weight or obese from my body's experience. I really need people who can understand the perspective of naturally small framed/weighted guys. I'm not talking bodybuilder status.. I know I'm not one. Currently at my height of 5'7 and weight of 155lbs my body fat ratio is 8%. I really posted this for input on what I should do in regards to taking a proper cycle for where I am at. I would Love help on what a proper PCT and possible support on gyno is. Also I am really curious to where your weight/height/fat ratio is bigbenj from when you started to where your progress is now.

As for your most recent reply I was trying to dig for a up to date photo where you can get a idea of where I am at but I don't have any at the moment. Ill post one tomorrow once I get hold of my brothers camera. Still though I just came here for help to optimize my cycle. I'm aware that people have different input on what age what stats and state in mind someone might want to be in. However I'm also aware no matter what body size your at there is still possible side effects that can occur regardless of how much physical training you had. So please just help me stick to a proper Cycle. I'm not trying to rush into this like an @sshole I'm being a book worm to be smart about it.

 

[bigbenj]

Drop the deca.

500mg test/wk split into 2 doses for 10 weeks
Arimidex 1mg eod
HCG 500iu/wk split into 2 doses for 10 weeks

PCT(started two weeks after last shot)
Clomid 100mg ed week 1 50 mg ed weeks 2-4

 

[tbird2]

if you wait until gyno "flares up" to take arimadex it's already too late.

 

[RockShawn]

I think you are too yound to start stacking AAS. Drop the Deca for first cycle for sure.
I'm 38 and still get growth at 500mg of test a week, albeit I take 750 to 1000 when bulking now.
Go slow. This isn't a sprint. Start with Test and PCT and see where you end up. Train smart too - look up the article on this site on German Volume Training. This type of training and a good diet put 25 lbs. on me during my first 12 week cycle of test only.

 

[cg89]

Why not, prop and npp? My next cycle looks like this and it is nice

Week 1-4 Tbol 60mg/ED
Week 1-10 Prop 500mg/week
Week 1-10 NPP 400mg/week

 

[RockShawn]

Drop the deca.

500mg test/wk split into 2 doses for 10 weeks
Arimidex 1mg eod
HCG 500iu/wk split into 2 doses for 10 weeks

PCT(started two weeks after last shot)
Clomid 100mg ed week 1 50 mg ed weeks 2-4

I was prescribed Test HRT by my doc, of course I use it as a cover for my AAS habit. They Prescribed 1000iu HCG/day for PCT over 2 weeks and Clomid after 10 weeks of 200mg/wk cyp. Just wondering what's the reasoning behind 500/wk?

 

[bigbenj]

Why not, prop and npp? My next cycle looks like this and it is nice

Week 1-4 Tbol 60mg/ED
Week 1-10 Prop 500mg/week
Week 1-10 NPP 400mg/week

Let me know how you like it. My next cycle will be almost the same, but with dbol instead.

 

[bigbenj]

I was prescribed Test HRT by my doc, of course I use it as a cover for my AAS habit. They Prescribed 1000iu HCG/day for PCT over 2 weeks and Clomid after 10 weeks of 200mg/wk cyp. Just wondering what's the reasoning behind 500/wk?

This is just a basic guideline. There are so many opinions it hurts my mind to think about it, but here's the basics.

You run hcg @ 500iu/wk while ON cycle. It helps to keep the testicals a healthy size. Your testicals being of a somewhat healthy size will also help you with coming off a cycle easier.

 

[FordFan]

You are going to do what you want. Ky advise is 500mg wk.250x2. Run an anti e. Get your labs done. If you won't get labs done, you're not read for the juice.

 

[saint924]

I decided to hold off for about 3-4 months and do a bit more research. I'm not quite ready for the possible side effects of deca so I dropped it. I also decided that this cycle will probably
be the only cycle I do considering I reach my goal and can stay there. That's assuming I do the cycle right and get my natty levels atleast close to what they were.

Wondering if I should take finasteride for hairloss? This is my first cycle and not sure if im prone.
My father is 48 and has most of his hair still. My mothers, mothers side
I heard has a history of balding even with the women. Which scares me pretty bad.. however my hair is pretty thick
and it appears like I have my fathers hair.


Cycle:
Test E

week 01-10 Test E 500mg (Split between Mondays and thursdays)
Week 01-10 Nolvadex 10mg/day (Ill bump it to 20 if I feel its needed Im an ectomorph so i doubt it)

PCT: 1 week after last test injection

week 01-06 Nolvadex 20mgs/day
week 01-03 HCG 500ui/day
week 01-04 Aromasin 20mgs/day
week 01-03 Vitamin E 1,000ui/day

Should I stop the Nolvadex 10MG for 1 week after last Test injection?
Or should I continue it and than just up it to 20mg during PCT?

Extra supplements and products:

Nizoral Shampoo + Spiractolone
Milk thisle
Saw Palmetto
Vitamin C 2-3MG a day
Cranberry Pills


Sum up of cycle: I posted a link of where i got the pct from Below. It gives a full scientific breakdown of why.

To my understanding the Nolvadex will block estrogen at the receptors not the overal buildup of estrogen. Which
is fine because this can contribute to some gains. Taking Nolvadex while on cycle "should" keep gyno from flaring up. Taking Nolvadex
for my PCT will continue to block estrogen at the receptors while increasing testosterone production by 150%.
The HCG will than work at getting my testis back to normal size increasing maximum output of my natty testosterone.
Than the Aromasin will bind to and kill the blocked estrogen to avoid a bad rebound. The vitamin E I dont fully understand how it helps
but it cant hurt.

Any improvements to this will be greatly appreciated I plan on doing this cycle very soon.

PCT reference:
Post Cycle Threapy (PCT)

 

[saint924]

Is there a way to bump this to the top? Was trying to avoid starting a whole new thread. But probably should have.

 

[saint924]

Ignore this. I opened a new thread.