Nearly 50% of all Men...

[John H.]

Damn man, why are 90% of the posts these days about gay shit? Im tired of reading about sucking dongs, swallowing wad and Souped Up jacking it to John H. This picture is needed...

Hi gococksDJS,

Is there someone who TOLD you you HAD to read what I write? Who "made" you read it? If you do not want to read it let me tell you you are not "required" to read anything you do not want to read...

As the the fine "specimen" you posted - I LOVE THEM TOO!!!! This may "disappoint" some here but THAT IS ALSO TRUE - I LOVE WOMEN as well!!!!

Take Care, John H.

 

[thatguy]

Hi ThatGuy,

Warped? Angry?

So what is it about "religion" that anyone with any SANITY about them should be happy about?

Murder?

Killing others for the sake of religious beliefs?

Making others miserable by staying in relationships that are never going to go anywhere but you "have to stay because you are told to"?

Wars - over who's religion is the "right one"?

Fighting over who's "god is the true god"?

Damning children because "we are told they too have original sin" (HELL they haven't even lived long enough to even speak let alone do anything that is sinful and already someone is damning them to hell)?

Saying God (who is our Father) damns ALL people after Adam and Eve because they sinned (having Sex - the forbidden fruit) so now everyone else forever is now damned because of what only those two did - no Father I know would ever do that to ALL his children FOREVER....

And I can go on and on with this list...

No God that IS would EVER have anything to do with all this CRAP!!!!

I look to nature and the natural world which is where the REAL God exists.
If that sinks your boat so be it.

Take Care, John H.

First of all, John, I don't have a boat.

Second, you have actually further proven my point as your answer was both warped and angry.

Regarding murder, the Bible condemns murder. "Thou shalt not kill." Remember? If Christians have murdered, they have done wrong, even if they say they did it in the "name of God." Personally I think the only exception is in self defense or in war (self-defense of your country - not the Crusades. Those were an embarrassment to Christianity).

I don't damn children. We, however, are born with a sinful nature, which is why, for instance, you would see a three year old lie or be selfish without even knowing what that is yet. Personally, and many Christians would agree, I don't think people are responsible for their sins until they understand them, which includes children and the mentally disabled.

You said, "Saying God (who is our Father) damns ALL people after Adam and Eve because they sinned (having Sex - the forbidden fruit) so now everyone else forever is now damned because of what only those two did - no Father I know would ever do that to ALL his children FOREVER...."

He sent His Son to die so we didn't have to be banned to hell forever. That's the whole point (belief it or not).

No where in the Bible does it say to stay in relationships that are going no where. If you are referring to being heterosexual and it not "working out," perhaps you just didn't find the right girl.

By the way, sex is not the forbidden fruit. I don't know where you got that.

I am not trying to judge your religious beliefs or lack thereof. I am merely trying to show you a different point of view. We're supposed to be open to those, right?

Remember John, this is not gay vs. straight. I don't condemn you or anyone else for being gay. I brought up passages from the Bible to let you know that people do have something to back them up when they say being gay is wrong. Personally, I don't interpret them that way because I've known too many gays that were just downright good people. I do get confused sometimes when I read certain passages, but who doesn't?

I just want to make sure you know my debating over these issues is not because you're gay, but because I think you use false or maybe skewed information to back up your views on lots of things.

 

[John H.]

My gosh, John you are something else.

First of all, I never said there was anything "so wrong" with anything. Ever. Reread my statement and tell me if you find it. You won't, because you made it up yourself out of nowhere.

Second of all, in my post I recognized the possibility that maybe I had an exceptionally straight set of friends here in Texas. Clearly, I don't think that whatever happens in "THIS town" can't be different from what happens in the rest of the world. Once again, reread my statement and tell me if you find anything stating the contrary. You won't, because you made it up out of nowhere.

While you're at it, look for a sentence mentioning religion or the Bible. I don't know why you keep bringing that up. I'll give you a hint - You won't find it, because you made it up out of nowhere.

Last, while we are criticizing each other's open mindedness and research techniques, I'd like to remind you of a little quote you said regarding your little book...

"If you do not believe what the book has to say - what you do is check out for yourself what he has to say and see for yourself - he used source material which has survived."

Maybe you should be a little less hypocritical and apply this to your own life. If you don't believe what the Bible has to say, you should check it out for yourself - it has plenty of source material that has survived.

Since you brought up religion and the Bible, while you're there "checking it out for yourself," check out Romans 1 in the New Testament and also look at the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament. That's the one where God (yes, God) destroyed two entire cities because they were full of gay men.

Again, I don't condemn or judge gays by any means - I have several gay friends. I just don't like it when people pick fights and don't have correct information.

Take Care, That G.

Hi Thatguy,

Please re-read what I have said. I think it is you that is missing something. Now if you are going to believe EVERYTHING that is written in the Bible we have nothing to discuss because you are hell-bent on believing everything there is absolute - I COULD NOT DISAGREE WITH THE BIBLE MORE - IT IS WRITTEN BY MEN NOT GOD, NOT CHRIST. MEN. Human Beings. PERIOD! "Saints" weren't "created" until later so their "saintliness" or "sainthood" does not apply here....

And to knock you off your feet, I have read the Bible which is why I say what I say. I HAVE an OPEN MIND and DO OBJECTIVELY LOOK at ALL THINGS FROM ALL SOURCES ALL THE TIME. God gave me the brain He wants me to utilize for that purpose - finding GOD means LOOKING AT ALL THINGS FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES OBJECTIVELY. WITH AN OPEN MIND COMPLETELY.

Take Care, John H.

 

[thatguy]

Hi Thatguy,

Please re-read what I have said. I think it is you that is missing something. Now if you are going to believe EVERYTHING that is written in the Bible we have nothing to discuss because you are hell-bent on believing everything there is absolute - I COULD NOT DISAGREE WITH THE BIBLE MORE - IT IS WRITTEN BY MEN NOT GOD, NOT CHRIST. MEN. Human Beings. PERIOD! "Saints" weren't "created" until later so their "saintliness" or "sainthood" does not apply here....

And to knock you off your feet, I have read the Bible which is why I say what I say. I HAVE an OPEN MIND and DO OBJECTIVELY LOOK at ALL THINGS FROM ALL SOURCES ALL THE TIME. God gave me the brain He wants me to utilize for that purpose - finding GOD means LOOKING AT ALL THINGS FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES OBJECTIVELY. WITH AN OPEN MIND COMPLETELY.

Take Care, John H.

What? Saint John is the same John that wrote John. Just because he wasn't called a Saint until later, what he wrote as just "John" doesn't count? I don't get that.

Perhaps we have to agree to disagree, John. My religious beliefs are based on the Bible which, in my opinion, is God' Word. If you take the Bible out of the picture, which basically eliminates Christianity, then it becomes one man's opinion vs. another man's opinion.

Hopefully, when we discussed non-religious points in other threads, you got a new perspective that seemed valid to you because it didn't come from the Bible.

 

[bio-chem]

John, you take the cake. Dont use misinformation to prove your point because you will look like a fool. Just because evil men have done things improperly in the name of Christ does not take away from the good and the truth that is Christ. Not all christian religions believe in original sin. so dont pretend that they do. (or didnt you know that o enlightened one). also insinuating the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints still practices polygamy is so utterly false that you truely show your overall ignorance of the facts. and i would have thought that would be accepted by you anyways considering it happens in the animal kingdom so it is therefore natural. but i digress. what you are doing is trying to make yourself feel better by tearing away at what you consider to be a weakness in their beliefs. you are in no way helping to prove your point, its obvious in that because the only person who has tried to give you somewhat of support is crazy enough and even then you are trying to alienate her. while i dont believe what she says about the story of sodom i respect the way she goes about explaining her beliefs. john if you feel you have the truth speak with boldness and openness. but dont tear someones beliefs. speak the truth and the followers of truth will naturally follow what you say. or you can continue to paint yourself into a stereotype and shift a lot of middle people into the exact oppposite point of view of yours. ive found the people on this board to be extremly open and accepting of peoples beliefs, something your not always going to find. dont alienate them in your hatered.

 

[Souped_up]

Hi Souped,

READ the book and then tell me what you think AFTER. See the sources used to write the book - check them out for yourself. Most that criticize this book in a negative view have never even read the book. The Man (Michael Rocke) wrote the book using SOURCE MATERIAL that has survived that talks about just one town in Italy - so if SOURCE MATERIAL existed in other towns I am sure the same conclusion would be drawn as well elsewhere if the same situations existed.

If you think a person's sexually can be changed, then let me ask you when you plan on changing yours? Or are you now BiSexual now?

Here's the thing - when people LOOK with an OPEN MIND OBJECTIVELY and RESEARCH they do tend to find answers that are truthful and accurate. This should be a lifelong pursuit for everyone IF they really want to know about anything in life and living AND UNDERSTAND - that does not mean they have to "agree" with everything but they will have some honest UNDERSTANDING.

Take Care, John H.

Hi John,

You SUBCONCIOUSLY decide you want to be Gay or Straight- through ENVIRONMENT- and possibly some genetic factors too. Gay people are taught through ENVIRONMENT - there is no biological INSTINCTS in place like there is with heterosexuality. Simply put it is NATURAL to be straight- however a person with many environmental experiences could SUBCONCIOUSLY decide to be gay- EVEN IF CONCIOUSLY HE DOESN"T.

I Know that I could become bisexual if I had a blowjob from a transexual and liked it because its a slippery slope to having a man without a wig and so on. My point is through gradual mechanisms MANY can CHANGE THEIR SEXUALITY. I don't believe many could go from GAY to STraight- but Gay to bisexual so they could lead a normal life. Think about this- what was your sexuality at 5 years old? For me I was asexual. See I went from NO SEXUALITY to Heterosexuality. That is ChANGING my sexuality. Most are straight due to society having a huge influence and to a milder extent biological influences. Im sorry but no one has been able to prove me wrong and ive debated this subject a couple of times before with some "educated know it alls". All they could come up wiht was psychobabble theories from a textbook- yet NOTHING in psychology is proven fact, its impossible to have a theory in psychology proven fact unless its a real simple theory. Psychologist want you to believe otherwise, but then they would be out of a job.

I do not believe liking the opposite sex is wrong unless you are lusting after them. According to the bible lust is wrong- NO MATTER WHAT SEX. So I don't have a beef against sexuality - AS LONG AS YOU DON"T ACT OR LUST ON IT ITS NOT WRONG. Heterosexual sex is a sin too outside of marriage. Just trying to be fair.

Take Care, Souped_up

 

[crazy_enough]

you are in no way helping to prove your point, its obvious in that because the only person who has tried to give you somewhat of support is crazy enough and even then you are trying to alienate her. while i dont believe what she says about the story of sodom i respect the way she goes about explaining her beliefs.

Thanx Bio-chem for noticing that the last thing I wanna do is shove my beleifs down someone's throat or destroy them with utter ignorance. I just want to point out that the story of Sodom that I posted is not mine or my understanding of it, but the writings of a Christian movement, The Cathedral of Hope....(www.cathedralofhope.com) I have to agree after reading the actual passage, that I tend to agree with it , but thats it!!

 

[John H.]

Hi John,

You SUBCONCIOUSLY decide you want to be Gay or Straight- through ENVIRONMENT- and possibly some genetic factors too. Gay people are taught through ENVIRONMENT - there is no biological INSTINCTS in place like there is with heterosexuality. Simply put it is NATURAL to be straight- however a person with many environmental experiences could SUBCONCIOUSLY decide to be gay- EVEN IF CONCIOUSLY HE DOESN"T.

I Know that I could become bisexual if I had a blowjob from a transexual and liked it because its a slippery slope to having a man without a wig and so on. My point is through gradual mechanisms MANY can CHANGE THEIR SEXUALITY. I don't believe many could go from GAY to STraight- but Gay to bisexual so they could lead a normal life. Think about this- what was your sexuality at 5 years old? For me I was asexual. See I went from NO SEXUALITY to Heterosexuality. That is ChANGING my sexuality. Most are straight due to society having a huge influence and to a milder extent biological influences. Im sorry but no one has been able to prove me wrong and ive debated this subject a couple of times before with some "educated know it alls". All they could come up wiht was psychobabble theories from a textbook- yet NOTHING in psychology is proven fact, its impossible to have a theory in psychology proven fact unless its a real simple theory. Psychologist want you to believe otherwise, but then they would be out of a job.

I do not believe liking the opposite sex is wrong unless you are lusting after them. According to the bible lust is wrong- NO MATTER WHAT SEX. So I don't have a beef against sexuality - AS LONG AS YOU DON"T ACT OR LUST ON IT ITS NOT WRONG. Heterosexual sex is a sin too outside of marriage. Just trying to be fair.

Take Care, Souped_up

Hi Souped,

I think it would be very beneficial if it were possible to eliminate ALL sex, religion, politics, etc. Think how great it would be if we were somehow able to "take away" your Heterosexuality - you would never have to worry about females fighting over you, you would not have to go through that "marriage" thing, or having and raising "children".... Then we could all live "happily ever after"...

Take Care, John H.

 

[Du]

Hi Souped,

I think it would be very beneficial if it were possible to eliminate ALL sex, religion, politics, etc. Think how great it would be if we were somehow able to "take away" your Heterosexuality - you would never have to worry about females fighting over you, you would not have to go through that "marriage" thing, or having and raising "children".... Then we could all live "happily ever after"...

Take Care, John H.

That is one of the stupidest things Ive ever read.

Mr. H, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. (Billy Madison)

 

[John H.]

Thanx Bio-chem for noticing that the last thing I wanna do is shove my beleifs down someone's throat or destroy them with utter ignorance. I just want to point out that the story of Sodom that I posted is not mine or my understanding of it, but the writings of a Christian movement, The Cathedral of Hope....(www.cathedralofhope.com) I have to agree after reading the actual passage, that I tend to agree with it , but thats it!!

Hi Crazy,

God gave each of us a brain - one He would like us all to utilize to the very best of our abilities. Question everything and everyone INCLUDING HIM, have an open mind, be objective...

Do you know what brainwashing is?

Perhaps you may be on the "right track" - I think I should go into the "business of religion" - it certainly IS PROFITABLE and look at all the people you can get to just follow whatever you say and how little actual work you will have to do to get them to "just believe" and "just accept" ANYTHING "in the name of the lord"....

Do you every ask yourself how much money all these "religious" types have? How do they live (what cars do they drive, what kind of home do they own, what do they eat each day...) "Religion" is the new "employment" in the USA BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE IS LEFT and you can make a quick buck doing it all.... Only problem is is that to be a "religious type" you NEED WORKING PEOPLE to SUPPORT YOU - the money has to FLOW IN from somewhere because YOU certainly are NOT EARNING the money you are making... Someone else is giving it to you because of your brainwashing them into giving it to you because of what you tell them and they just swallow... You (meaning religious types) prey on those scared to death of the unknown and the "unanswerable"... Wake up!

Take Care, John H.

 

[thatguy]

"...and we would all live happily ever after..." in an anarchic, sex-free, religious-free world without hope for eternity until we died, because there would be no ability to have children. And still no sex.

Yeah, you're right, John. Sounds like a GREAT idea...

 

[John H.]

There is a HUGE VOID between God and "religion". A HUGE VOID. And a hell of a lot of pure bs....

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

"...and we would all live happily ever after..." in an anarchic, sex-free, religious-free world without hope for eternity until we died, because there would be no ability to have children. And still no sex.

Yeah, you're right, John. Sounds like a GREAT idea...

Hi Thatguy,

Well just think, you could become a suicide bomber and have Alla as your god and when you killed yourself you would go to "heaven" and have 42 virgins so you would not be giving up sex afterall.... Remember it is a religion...

And if you do not like that one, there are THOUSANDS of others to choose from....




Take Care, John H.

 

[thatguy]

"'Religion' is the new 'employment' in the USA BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE IS LEFT"

You've said dumb things before, but this takes the cake. Church employees make a very small percentage of America's work force.

In addition, unless you're the pastor of a huge church, you don't make much. Maybe more than a farmer, but still not much.

 

[John H.]

That is one of the stupidest things Ive ever read.

Mr. H, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. (Billy Madison)

Hi Du,

Glad you enjoyed my scarcasm so well....

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

"'Religion' is the new 'employment' in the USA BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE IS LEFT"

You've said dumb things before, but this takes the cake. Church employees make a very small percentage of America's work force.

In addition, unless you're the pastor of a huge church, you don't make much. Maybe more than a farmer, but still not much.

Hi Thatguy,

I was referring to tele-evangelists for example. Do you know Ernest Angley? Or - well there are so many of them now. Turn on your tv or radio. They are out there and becoming VERY WEALTHY preying on people...

EVERYDAY!!!

Take Care, John H.

 

[thatguy]

Hi Thatguy,

Well just think, you could become a suicide bomber and have Alla as your god and when you killed yourself you would go to "heaven" and have 42 virgins so you would not be giving up sex afterall.... Remember it is a religion...

And if you do not like that one, there are THOUSANDS of others to choose from....




Take Care, John H.

You always take the extreme, don't you?

Besides, in your religion-free, sex-free, and politics-free world, why the heck would someone worship Allah? That's a religion. And what would they be bombing for, anyway? That's often political. And how would they know what sex was in order to look forward to it?

You don't think about things before you say them, do you?

 

[thatguy]

Hi Thatguy,

I was referring to tele-evangelists for example. Do you know Ernest Angley? Or - well there are so many of them now. Turn on your tv or radio. They are out there and becoming VERY WEALTHY preying on people...

EVERYDAY!!!

Take Care, John H.

John, I bet tele-evangelists make up less than one-tenth of the population. Don't sweat the small stuff.

 

[crazy_enough]

Hi Crazy,

God gave each of us a brain - one He would like us all to utilize to the very best of our abilities. Question everything and everyone INCLUDING HIM, have an open mind, be objective...

Do you know what brainwashing is?

Perhaps you may be on the "right track" - I think I should go into the "business of religion" - it certainly IS PROFITABLE and look at all the people you can get to just follow whatever you say and how little actual work you will have to do to get them to "just believe" and "just accept" ANYTHING "in the name of the lord"....

Do you every ask yourself how much money all these "religious" types have? How do they live (what cars do they drive, what kind of home do they own, what do they eat each day...) "Religion" is the new "employment" in the USA BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE IS LEFT and you can make a quick buck doing it all.... Only problem is is that to be a "religious type" you NEED WORKING PEOPLE to SUPPORT YOU - the money has to FLOW IN from somewhere because YOU certainly are NOT EARNING the money you are making... Someone else is giving it to you because of your brainwashing them into giving it to you because of what you tell them and they just swallow... You (meaning religious types) prey on those scared to death of the unknown and the "unanswerable"... Wake up!

Take Care, John H.

What??What??What?? Ok, firstly, Im wide awake!! Secondly, you read my post, but I doubt you understood any of it! Not trying to be rude or harsh, but ure talking outta ur ass here trying to convince me of something I already agree with!! The religious type!! Me?? I do beleive that religion has become a big lucrative business, with pastors, preachers etc switching form one religion to another every week on television shows created to grab our hard earned dollars. However, I understand that to some, faith is fuel for living, light to follow, meaning to life and I can accept that! I dont agree with, beleive in or live by the principles of any faith, but I dont think that patronizing(sp?) those who do is the answer. If the simple fact of beleiving in god helps a cancer patient to deal with their struggle, or a single mom to cope with stress and life, etc its all good with me! What I dislike is the abuse and manipulation that often disrupts faith.

I quoted a version of the story of Sodom, I didnt preach for all to "follow me to the light"....GEEZ!!

 

[thatguy]

I mean't less than one-tenth of a percent. Sorry.

 

[John H.]

You always take the extreme, don't you?

Besides, in your religion-free, sex-free, and politics-free world, why the heck would someone worship Allah? That's a religion. And what would they be bombing for, anyway? That's often political. And how would they know what sex was in order to look forward to it?

You don't think about things before you say them, do you?

Hi Thatguy,

Actually I do which is why I say what I say. I do think about it before I make statements of any kind.

What I said is true. Now if you want to question their religion they will tell you if you kill yourself in the name of Allah you will go to heaven and have 42 virgins - now to a sex-starved man that would be TRULY WONDERFUL because they are so horny and who wouldn't want 42 virgins at their "disposal"? After all, it IS a "religion" isn't it?

Did you ever hear about Pope Leo? I forget right now which one, around the l4th century... He broke the catholic church spending all its money and people were not giving anymore. He wondered how he could get more out of people. He had people so convinced the ONLY WAY to go to heaven was THROUGH HIM that he told people unless they gave money he would not allow them to go to heaven and he gave those that gave a special dispensation in writing that allowed them to go to heaven AFTER they "donated" in the name of god.... The money poured in then from all frightened "believers"...

Research any religion and see the religion and the people behind those beliefs...

I believe in God NOT religion. Do you have any idea how MANY religions there are and what each believe?


Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

John, I bet tele-evangelists make up less than one-tenth of the population. Don't sweat the small stuff.

Hi Thatguy,

Boy I hope you are wrong on that percentage but it sure seems as if there are MANY MORE. Think about it, there are more than Homosexuals and Bisexuals. The world is being taken over by tele-evangelists... Watch them and see what they have to say - and what they wear, their lifestyle.... Oh, by the way, tele-evangelists "DO NOT HAVE SEX" so how do they "reproduce"?

Not much money left for us "poor folks"....

I think religions should be taxed just like the rest of us. Then the federal government could leave us poor folks alone...

Take Care, John H.

 

[thatguy]

I think it would be very beneficial if it were possible to eliminate ALL sex, religion, politics, etc. .

and then you said

However, I understand that to some, faith is fuel for living, light to follow, meaning to life and I can accept that! I dont agree with, beleive in or live by the principles of any faith, but I dont think that patronizing(sp?) those who do is the answer. If the simple fact of beleiving in god helps a cancer patient to deal with their struggle, or a single mom to cope with stress and life, etc its all good with me! What I dislike is the abuse and manipulation that often disrupts faith.

So first you want it gone, and now you think it's ok but you don't agree with it. Those seem like two different statements.

Furthermore, the second statement I responded to was that pastors make a lot of money, to which I said that a VERY small percentage do. Then you said you were talking about tele-evangelists, to which I said they are a VERY small percentage of the population and of religious employees. Third, you said there were pastors changing religions every week. I've never heard of that, either, but if it happens it happens in VERY small percentages - probably even smaller than the first two points you made.

So, basically, you are using that obscure .1% to make your point, when it is really the exception and not the rule. It is silly to try to use something that happens so rarely in religion (do you realize how many millions of legitimate pastors and ministers there are out there?) to make a point.

 

[crazy_enough]

I do beleive that religion has become a big lucrative business, with pastors, preachers etc switching form one religion to another every week on television shows created to grab our hard earned dollars. However, I understand that to some, faith is fuel for living, light to follow, meaning to life and I can accept that! I dont agree with, beleive in or live by the principles of any faith, but I dont think that patronizing(sp?) those who do is the answer. If the simple fact of beleiving in god helps a cancer patient to deal with their struggle, or a single mom to cope with stress and life, etc its all good with me! What I dislike is the abuse and manipulation that often disrupts faith.QUOTE]


Hummmmmm...I said that!!lol

 

[John H.]

What??What??What?? Ok, firstly, Im wide awake!! Secondly, you read my post, but I doubt you understood any of it! Not trying to be rude or harsh, but ure talking outta ur ass here trying to convince me of something I already agree with!! The religious type!! Me?? I do beleive that religion has become a big lucrative business, with pastors, preachers etc switching form one religion to another every week on television shows created to grab our hard earned dollars. However, I understand that to some, faith is fuel for living, light to follow, meaning to life and I can accept that! I dont agree with, beleive in or live by the principles of any faith, but I dont think that patronizing(sp?) those who do is the answer. If the simple fact of beleiving in god helps a cancer patient to deal with their struggle, or a single mom to cope with stress and life, etc its all good with me! What I dislike is the abuse and manipulation that often disrupts faith.

I quoted a version of the story of Sodom, I didnt preach for all to "follow me to the light"....GEEZ!!

Hi Crazy,

WATCH OUT!!!! YOU ARE IN TROUBLE (by some people's standards)... We ACTUALLY AGREE here on a LOT!!!!

Does that now make you a Homosexual or a BiSexual Man too?

I would hope all people would consider ALL things from ALL sources ALL the time with an open mind and objectively. If they did we would not be having this discussion. And religion would be a fossil.

I DO believe in God - NOT "religion".



Take Care, John H.

 

[thatguy]

Hi Thatguy,

Boy I hope you are wrong on that percentage but it sure seems as if there are MANY MORE. Think about it, there are more than Homosexuals and Bisexuals. The world is being taken over by tele-evangelists... Watch them and see what they have to say - and what they wear, their lifestyle.... Oh, by the way, tele-evangelists "DO NOT HAVE SEX" so how do they "reproduce"?

Where are you getting this? NO, there are not more tele-evanelists than Homosexuals and Bisexuals. If there's 15 homosexuals and bisexuals on this board (according to the poll, right?), then there's 15 or more tele-evangelists? That's idiotic.

There is nothing that says a minister or pastor can't have sex except with Catholic priests. (At least in Christianity that I know of)

 

[crazy_enough]

Hi Crazy,

WATCH OUT!!!! YOU ARE IN TROUBLE (by some people's standards)... We ACTUALLY AGREE here on a LOT!!!!

Does that now make you a Homosexual or a BiSexual Man too?

I would hope all people would consider ALL things from ALL sources ALL the time with an open mind and objectively. If they did we would not be having this discussion. And religion would be a fossil.

I DO believe in God - NOT "religion".



Take Care, John H.

Thats what I was getting at...We may agree on things, but the difference is how we interpret our thoughts...(although I dont beleive in god) I find that sometimes, u tend to forget that ur view on things may not be the same as another person's and your words often sound like preaching or "shoving ur beleifs down somene's throat"...

I totally disagree when U say that we should have a world free of religion, sex, politicsetc....A world with no differences?????? How fucking boring would that be!? I cant help but feel like u would love for everyone to always be on the same wavelenght, have the same thoughts, feel and act the same way, beleive the same things...That would make us robots, not human beings!

 

[John H.]

and then you said


So first you want it gone, and now you think it's ok but you don't agree with it. Those seem like two different statements.

Furthermore, the second statement I responded to was that pastors make a lot of money, to which I said that a VERY small percentage do. Then you said you were talking about tele-evangelists, to which I said they are a VERY small percentage of the population and of religious employees. Third, you said there were pastors changing religions every week. I've never heard of that, either, but if it happens it happens in VERY small percentages - probably even smaller than the first two points you made.

So, basically, you are using that obscure .1% to make your point, when it is really the exception and not the rule. It is silly to try to use something that happens so rarely in religion (do you realize how many millions of legitimate pastors and ministers there are out there?) to make a point.

Hi Thatguy,

The first statement you quote I made. The second I did not. I don't know who did right now who but I did not.

As to a very small percentage of pastors... I know of a church locally (in a small town too) - The Church of God - the pastor makes $175,000.00 a year PLUS BENEFITS - now what pastor NEEDS $175,000.00 a year? Did Christ make that much? Did He have benefits too? And that is just one church in one small town I have heard of - and the person that is on "the Board" of that church is sorry he told me because it is not supposed to be a well-known thing exactly how much pastors DO MAKE...

Hell no wonder so many of us are poor - look at all the money the religious powers are making off of all of us...

Take Care, John H.

 

[thatguy]

Sorry about that first statement, I though you said that. It was Crazy, not you.

Second, you are once again taking one rare occurrence and making your point with it. If you look at the average income of pastors, including both the few huge churches and also the many small ones, it is not much at all. The majority of these people are not in it for the money. There are a few bad seeds in every occupation or organization that make them look bad, but you can't count off the whole group because of them.

 

[John H.]

Where are you getting this? NO, there are not more tele-evanelists than Homosexuals and Bisexuals. If there's 15 homosexuals and bisexuals on this board (according to the poll, right?), then there's 15 or more tele-evangelists? That's idiotic.

There is nothing that says a minister or pastor can't have sex except with Catholic priests. (At least in Christianity that I know of)

Hi Thatguy,

I was being scarcastic here... But you never know... I know we are led to believe Catholic priests have no sex and that all other Christian pastors ONLY have Sex with their wives - no one else's children, etc. Well now if you think I will ever believe that is true.... If HALF of what we hear on the news is true think about how much has not been reported YET!!!

I think I need a "crystal cathedral" to preach from because God wants that, or a toupee, or a twenty-piece suit, or a gold "chevy".... Or how about "the blood, the blood, the blood..." ad infinitum.... But remember to write for "my offer" number "b24" for a one-time $10.00 - yea right, once you get my first ten you'll never stop asking for more...

Look at how many times people are asked for money during each television religious program, or in every church across the nation....


Take Care, John H.