no death linked to steroids..really?

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

why do we need studies?

steroids are a very old medication


they have been saving lives and bettering quality of life since they were invented

im sure doctors dont envision poisoning there patients when they give them these miracle drugs

 

[bjg]

Munzer died of abuse right? as BP200 posted...
but here is my question ..isn't the goal of every bodybuilder who goes for AAS to look like Munzer? thus to take as many steroids as Munzer????????so don't tell me about use and abuse..anything used for bodybuilding is already an abuse..
and steroids is not a miracle drug KIllerofsaints...it is just a drug used ONLY when necessary as other medical drugs ...when the benefits outweigh the harm in extreme cases. They are not designed to be used on a healthy human being for the sake of cosmetics or performance enhancement

 

[Thresh]

Munzer died of abuse right? as BP200 posted...
but here is my question ..isn't the goal of every bodybuilder who goes for AAS to look like Munzer? thus to take as many steroids as Munzer????????so don't tell me about use and abuse..anything used for bodybuilding is already an abuse..
and steroids is not a miracle drug KIllerofsaints...it is just a drug used ONLY when necessary as other medical drugs ...when the benefits outweigh the harm in extreme cases. They are not designed to be used on a healthy human being for the sake of cosmetics or performance enhancement

Benefits outweighs harm...

Guess you'll have to list the "harm" cause i have yet to see any....


5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

 

[Thresh]

i know many will contradict me here and it is a subject that is over discussed but i would like to mention few points especially to those natural and teen bodybuilders.

point #1: If you check the number of bodybuilders and pro athletes that died at a young age (while in perfect shape apparently) you will see a high percentage compared to normal population, while logically it should be the opposite since sports and bodybuilding is supposed to give you better health..then one can logically conclude that there is a common element among those pro athletes that is causing all these death

point #2: you will see articles saying that no death was caused by steroids or proven to be caused by steroids right? well of course ! since all the death are either heart attacks or some kind of cancer or etc... there is no illness called "steroids" that will kill you, it is not easy to DIRECTLY link a heart attack to steroids. they will say his death was not linked to steroids but incidently he was a steroids user.

like saying cigarettes will not kill you...many smokers die from heart attacks and cancer ..but not from cigarettes!!!! smokers will tell you that no death was linked to cigarettes ..of course there is no illness called "cigarettes".

and even worst they will tell you mr so and so died from lung cancer and he does not smoke!

Got my point ?

I'd get your point if you could back it up with data

Your references to cigs, you obviously have no clue how the causes of death are listed.

Dear god please use google or something and educate yourself first.


5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

 

[bjg]

google can use me to educate itself dude....
list of harm you can google it yourself and you will discover..it is written all over ...if so far you havn't seen any then i doubt you can read or you are blind...

 

[Thresh]

google can use me to educate itself dude....
list of harm you can google it yourself and you will discover..it is written all over ...if so far you havn't seen any then i doubt you can read or you are blind...

You made the statement but failed to make any references to any sources. You clearly are not a scientist and have not conducted your own studies so it is proper when you make statements that you portray as a fact is to back those facts up or simply say it is your opinion.

I can find thousands if case studies where steroids are saving and improving people's lives.

You seem to have issues with backing your claims up in more than just this thread.

I'm sorry but my professors would immediately fail me if I made such statements and portrayed them as a fact.




5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

 

[bjg]

can you answer me why doctors always avoid using steroids and any hormonal and steroid based medicine and save it as the last resort?
Even stupid cortisone based cremes are avoided by doctors..
i did not fail to show you anything i just refused to do so since you can do the research yourself...
Don't you get it yet??? i do not need to prove my point to anybody ....i already proved it to myself and that is enough ...
i am a professor and i fail and pass people so please don't teach me the methods of evaluating a person...i have been a professor long enough and frankly i am ready to retire

 

[HANDSOME STRANGER]

i know many will contradict me here and it is a subject that is over discussed but i would like to mention a few points, especially to those natural and teen bodybuilders.

point #1: If you check the number of bodybuilders and pro-athletes that have died at a young age, (while in perfect shape apparently) ( apparently they were not in perfect shape or health.) you will see a high percentage compared to the normal populations, ( actually the normal population of citizens die MORE OFTEN from various illnesses everyday, so very weak argument. ) while logically (something you lack, logically mr phd) it should be the opposite. Since sports and bodybuilding is supposed to give you better health.. ( not better health but healthier life style.) Then one can logically conclude, that there is a common element among those pro athletes that is causing all these deaths.

point #2: You will see articles, saying that no deaths was ( were ) caused by steroids or proven to be caused by steroids. Right? Well of course not! Since all the deaths are either heart attacks or some kind of cancer or etc... There is no illness called "steroids" that will kill you, it is not easy to DIRECTLY link a heart attack to steroids. They will say, his death was not linked to steroids. Yet incidently he was a steroids ( no need for the S. Just steroid ) user.

Like saying cigarettes will not kill you...Many smokers die from heart attacks and cancer ..but not from cigarettes!!!! Smokers will tell you that no deaths was ( were ) linked to cigarettes ..Of course there is no illness called "cigarettes".

And even worst, ( no need for the T because it is worse ) they will tell you Mr so and so died from lung cancer and he does not smoke!

Got my point ?

All this from a man who holds a PHD in bio mechanical engineering. And says that he has written papers. And been on NG!!!!!!!!
And NO BJG I don't get your point!!!!!!!!! In the 80's there were a lot of guys who worked out who died. But also, they were not just using steroids. They were using other drugs. Same as today. Take everything that happens into context and don't just use one thing to help propagate your agenda. There are 1000's if not 100,000's of guys who use steroids and that do not die. The number of users that die vs the number of who do not die, is a small fraction. You have been asked many times to show your proof and you always either bypass the question. OR you completely come up with BS...

I want you to do me a favor. Look in the mirror and ask yourself. DO I REALLY THINK ANYONE ON THIS BOARD BELIEVES A WORD I TYPE???? THEN LOOK AT YOUR BODY. . . . SHOW US SOME PICS BUDDY SHOW US WHAT A 50 + yr old man who is all natural and as strong as you say you are looks like. AT 165lbs........

And just so you know everything in red is where you fucked up. I know in order to get a phd you have to pass some written English classes if you went to Texas a&m. Also work on your grammar.... Or just be honest and say actually guys I have no phd and all the shit i say is just my opinion. I have no facts to back anything up, but I believe from the bottom of my heart that this is in fact the truth...

 

[bjg]

cross80 send me your email and i will send you a congratulation letter personally written by the chancelor of texas A&M on my first patent and this was in 1991 ..so go ahead send me your email and i challenge you to do so maybe then you will STFU and stick to the subject of this thread.
and perhaps if i feel like it i will send you my pics to you alone ..i don't want to post my pics just like that..believe me i will blow your mind.

 

[Thresh]

cross80 send me your email and i will send you a congratulation letter personally written by the chancelor of texas A&M on my first patent and this was in 1991 ..so go ahead send me your email and i challenge you to do so maybe then you will STFU and stick to the subject of this thread.
and perhaps if i feel like it i will send you my pics to you alone ..i don't want to post my pics just like that..believe me i will blow your mind.

You can do all of that but you can't post a single study?


5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

 

[bjg]

or you know what ...after your last post on another thread i think you are not worth it...but my offer is open to anyone else decent enough to talk to

 

[HANDSOME STRANGER]

cross80 send me your email and i will send you a congratulation letter personally written by the chancelor of texas A&M on my first patent and this was in 1991 ..so go ahead send me your email and i challenge you to do so maybe then you will STFU and stick to the subject of this thread.
and perhaps if i feel like it i will send you my pics to you alone ..i don't want to post my pics just like that..believe me i will blow your mind.

I think you want to blow more than my mind!!!!!!! OK I will send you my email address!!!!!!!!!! You have to be shitting me you think if you sent that shit to I would not post it up on IM. Come the fuck on guy. With a phd you should be smarter than that................ And you think I am going to give you my info so you can spread it around...... I know I am not the brightest crayon in the box but fuck, buddy you need to slip down the stairs and hit your head to knock all the bullshit out so you can see and think clearly.....................

 

[HANDSOME STRANGER]

You can do all of that but you can't post a single study?


5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

This guy is starting to smell fishy to me....................... I love his reply to you.. And I agree he will send me his shit. But he can't help us dumb fucks out and post up all this enlightening literature he has....

 

[Thresh]

This guy is starting to smell fishy to me....................... I love his reply to you.. And I agree he will send me his shit. But he can't help us dumb fucks out and post up all this enlightening literature he has....

5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

 

[andyrodgers]

steroids can never be good for nerve system, so i don't agree with you

 

[SFW]

^ Studies have shown that steroids can dramatically increase the rate of myelin synthesis, which can reduce the advancement of MS and other nervous system disorders.

Negged for misinformation....and for being a dirty pakistani.

 

[Faymus]

Please tell me where people claim cigarettes don't kill. Yes, cigarettes are linked towards death, why are you comparing the two? As a smoker, I admit smoking kills, as for steroid usage, there are many factors that come into play. Be smart.

Your twisting words and making your own facts up. It's quite agitating to be honest.

 

[KelJu]

steroids can never be good for nerve system, so i don't agree with you

It is called the nervous system you retard.