overtraining on purpose what do you think

[P-funk]

Originally posted by Saturday Fever
If you don't train for a 1RM (ie like a powerlifter) then how can you accurately judge what is 80%. I'm not knocking anyone, just posing the question. If you never workout in a way that is intended to train and improve your 1RM, then you absolutely cannot accurately say "this is 80%." Because even if you dropped your usual routine and attempted a 1RM, it would not be a true 1RM because you did not train up to it. Your CNS will be a huge limiting factor. Just food for thought, I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes.

I agree, your 1RM is your 1RM and if you don't train to hit it then you have no idea what it really is. I do work in percentages with a lot of my clients but they are not profesional athletes, they are regular everyday people and hitting there 1RM is not important to them (as it is to someone like you or I). I do test to see what there 10RM is. Which is aprox. 75% of their 1RM (just an aproximation) and that helps me to very the intensity of workouts and periodize training without having to worry about trying to get them to max out (in most cases with the general public it is hard to get them to do a 15RM let alone a 1RM..lol). So, although the percentages don't really tell you what your 1RM is they can help you in someways....Stuff you already know I am sure but just some info for the others that don't workout with percentages.

 

[Johnnny]

DrChiro

yeah thats it...get on the stairmaster 4 times a week and see how much smaller your legs get....i'm so sure that will work....when they get even bigger than they are now make sure you tell Johnny thanks.

Just out of curiosity, where did you get that I said to do the stairmaster 4 times a week? I didn't even mention stairmaster.

I'm talking about running or the eyliptic cycle, the walking & cycling combo & even the stationary bike.

Spending 10-15mins 4-5 times a week stretching your legs will also help take away that bulky look.

 

[Saturday Fever]

Spending 10-15mins 4-5 times a week stretching your legs will also help take away that bulky look.

 

[Var]

Originally posted by Johnnny
Spending 10-15mins 4-5 times a week stretching your legs will also help take away that bulky look.

Holy shit, Johnny! Please tell me you are NOT a personal trainer. Please!

 

[Novo]

No, silly 'ole Var - he's read a BB encyclopedia and a book by Arnie, didn't you READ this entire, ridiculous thread??

I can't believe I got sucked back in and replied. I am so disappointed in myself

Now, I'm off to stretch off my bulk. I've been making the mistake of lifting heavy lately, shit, Johnny would say I'm looking like a damn female hulk already

 

[Var]

 

[nikegurl]

Originally posted by Novo
Now, I'm off to stretch off my bulk. I've been making the mistake of lifting heavy lately, shit, Johnny would say I'm looking like a damn female hulk already

Novo...I've been noticing a bit of a green hue to my skin lately and buttons are popping off left and right.

Not sure what I can do though - I'm pretty flexible already.

Here's one possible idea...

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32123

 

[Novo]

NG, you are a true genius - I want to try that asap

And in the meantime, you had it right yesterday ... step AWAY from the weights ladies, back onto the cardio machines please (and eat less - skinny is apparently where it's at). WOMEN - KNOW YOUR PLACE!!

 

[JLB001]

I never know my place. I always buttheads! And anyone who tells me to stick to just cardio and not lift heavy can kiss my azz.

 

[nikegurl]

 

[PreMier]

Yup, I have said it before, and I will say it again. Johnnny is a self absorbed sorry person. Everything he says has to be right, not once have I seen him admit to being wrong. I wish Prince was a bit more strict, and would ban the trolls such as him.

 

[nikegurl]

i did post an idea in the suggestions area that we have a rating system for members based on quality of posts. when you read something that makes you say WOW. that was intelligent. you give them positive reputation points. when you read something that is typical Johnny you can give negative.

have no idea if it's feasible but some forums use it.

 

[PreMier]

The problem with that would be that some people could give someone a bunch of positive or negative. Unless only allowed to vote once? Not to mention that people carry grudges(IE: Johnnny against everyone who disagrees with him) and could give misleading feedback.

 

[LAM]

Originally posted by Twin Peak
I am in full agreement so far.




This is untrue, and is spoken from a narrow-minded perspective. There are reasons why one might want to train in a higher rep range. For example, a higher rep range will build muscle over not training at all, and it will burn many calories. Its ideal, for example, for one who circuit trains for health and leanness.

And its even useful from time to time for true "bodybuilders" for its phsiological effects on muscle tissue, as well as for creating a state of glycogen depletion.




While this may be true, its wholly unrelated to the original posters goal, namely to shrink her quad muscle.




Also a very narrow minded opinion. One can be in a caloric deficit and still build muscle by liberating energy stores (fat) and through nutrient partitioning.

Its just easier to do one or the other, than both concurrantly. But not impossible.




But she was asking about how to be leaner, rather he to have less muscular thighs.




To address the original poster, your plan is a bad idea. Rather than seek to overtrain, you should undertrain. That is, if you are lifting legs twice per week and they are too muscular, train than once per week. If once, train then every other week.

In other words, don't change your routine, but rather change your frequency so that you don't continue to build and perhaps loss some mass.

In addition, if you want leaner legs, well then, you'll have to loss the fat.

adding on to what Twin Peak has already stated...

The body is either in a full body state of anabolism or catabolism. If you want to lose lean body mass in your legs you would have to at the expensive of lean muscle tissue all over your body...that of course would slow down your resting metabolic rate and undoubtedly have a very negative effect on your endocrine system...

 

[nikegurl]

Originally posted by PreMier
The problem with that would be that some people could give someone a bunch of positive or negative. Unless only allowed to vote once? Not to mention that people carry grudges(IE: Johnnny against everyone who disagrees with him) and could give misleading feedback.

true. the place i saw it in use tells you that you have to spread reputation points around before giving more (bad or good) to someone you've already rated.

it probably would get out of hand though and be a huge undertaking.

also i wouldn't want it used when people disagree on stuff like whether a postworkout insulin spike is necessary or whether you can shape a muscle etc. (you know the topics that make people crazy over and over)

it would only be for someone who goes around saying outrageous ridiculous stuff.

i doubt it would work....

 

[Jodi]

Johnny, Not one person agrees with you here and that includes all the women that have posted in this thread. Are you starting to think that there is a slight possibility your giving wrong advice.

I feel sorry for those women that you train.

 

[Var]

Originally posted by nikegurl
true. the place i saw it in use tells you that you have to spread reputation points around before giving more (bad or good) to someone you've already rated.

it probably would get out of hand though and be a huge undertaking.

also i wouldn't want it used when people disagree on stuff like whether a postworkout insulin spike is necessary or whether you can shape a muscle etc. (you know the topics that make people crazy over and over)

it would only be for someone who goes around saying outrageous ridiculous stuff.

i doubt it would work....

Maybe it could be set up so that only mods rate people.

Either way, I think its better than getting more strict about banning people. I love the freedom here. I'd hate to see it go the route other sites have gone.

 

[PreMier]

Originally posted by Jodi
Johnny, Not one person agrees with you here and that includes all the women that have posted in this thread. Are you starting to think that there is a slight possibility your giving wrong advice.

I feel sorry for those women that you train.

Exactly, could someone point me to the "terms of agreement" of this site

 

[nikegurl]

maybe instead of voting people off the island (banning) we could make them wear a scarlet letter or something. an "f" for foolio?

 

[Var]

 

[Vieope]

Someone is gonna be banned? Cool.
Let me be the next one, oh come on...

 

[Var]

I dont think anyones getting banned. Especially not you, Rabbit!!!

 

[Vieope]

Damn it.

 

[Jodi]

Originally posted by nikegurl
maybe instead of voting people off the island (banning) we could make them wear a scarlet letter or something. an "f" for foolio?

 

[nmuriqi]

Originally posted by Twin Peak
In addition to the proliferation of general nonesense that everyone has already beaten to death I must add:

2-4 reps is (in general) no where close to being ideal for hypertrophy.

OK, good point, but what is ideal for hypertrophy?

 

[Johnnny]

As for being a trainer I'm reading my books for my certification.

& they say for women wanting a lean slender, defined physique lighter weights with higher reps & lower calorie diet with lifting & plenty of cardio. I never said to just do cardio alone.

So none of you think that spending time stretching out all of your legs several times a week will also give a leaner, longer muslced look?

For me personally if I do too much stretching several times a week, my legs wouldn't be as thick. When I was doing my grappling courses we had to stretch the legs every class. I noticed that my legs started losing their thickness & started to get longer. After I stopped my grappling courses & stopped all the stretching the thickness to my legs returned & I didn't do anything different to my leg routine or diet.

I guess than the certification courses are all wrong including the information that they teach to new trainers.

Since you guys know everything about everything I done with this retarded thread.

Ballerina go ahead & listen to some of these ppl & lift heavy & lower reps & diet for it. But you won't decrease the bulkiness or thickness of your legs that way.

 

[LAM]

Originally posted by nmuriqi
OK, good point, but what is ideal for hypertrophy?

8-12 reps is optimum for hypertrophy or a TUT of around 60 seconds...

 

[JLB001]

Reading Books? With the advice you have dished out so far, I think you might want to throw those books out and find new ones.

By the way....do you have a pic you can post of yourself so we can see what you actually do look like? I'm just curious.

I do agree stetching does help in making the muscles longer, but not that it would help decrease the overall bulk that may be there.

And..speaking from someone who has shit for genetics in the leg dept. what you have suggested would NEVER work on me. Been there, done that. The only thing that has worked with me and bringing the size down was sprints and stadiums.

 

[Jodi]

I'm certified too and I've yet to see a certification book that actually dictates good information. Those books are crap. You learn them just to take the test, but you use real life experience to train. I would never train any of my clients the book way.

 

[JLB001]

They do not teach the real world stuff in those books. I have read the ones Craig has, had me thinking WTF?

Jodi....can you imagine what your clients would be thinking if you told them all that stuff?