overtraining on purpose what do you think

[Johnnny]

JLB001

Reading Books? With the advice you have dished out so far, I think you might want to throw those books out and find new ones.

Well the current book I'm reading is by a personal trainer who's been in the game for about 30yrs & is about 50 or so years old & still looking good.

He got scholarships to play football to go from Canada to the United States & play for NCAA Division 1 & 2 schools & played professional football, & has trained many ppl inluding females, female bodybuilders, fitness models, male football players, female pro bodybuilders & male pro IFBB bodybuilders such as Paul Dillette & Aaron Baker. So this guy has 30yrs experience & you can't beat experience & he knows his sh!t.

By the way....do you have a pic you can post of yourself so we can see what you actually do look like? I'm just curious.

As I've said many times, I'm waiting until I get my conditioning back as it got out of whack do to my Iodine treatment for my hyper thyroid. The ephedrine/ephedra supplements I took caused this problem as I had no prior thyroid condition. The Iodine treatment caused me to uncontrolably gain bodyfat even with diet & training as it shut down the thyroid & I eventually had the hormone replaced with synthroid. But if I posted a pic right now you would see someone who's 5f9.5 & about 215lbs with good muscularity & thickness with some fat on his stomach. I'm currently using 15-20mins of heavy incline sprints for cutting which is working really well after just a few weeks. So I'm waiting until my conditioning is back to normal.

I do agree stetching does help in making the muscles longer, but not that it would help decrease the overall bulk that may be there.

Like I said, I experience a decrease in leg thickness when I was stretching my legs 4-5 times a week for my grappling course I lost thickness to my legs & I did nothing different to my leg routine, diet or cardio. When I stopped all the stretching, the thickness & muscle fullness came back.

And..speaking from someone who has shit for genetics in the leg dept. what you have suggested would NEVER work on me. Been there, done that. The only thing that has worked with me and bringing the size down was sprints and stadiums.

You say you have sh!t genetics in the leg department & what I suggested wouldn't work for me & you've done that.

What I get from this statement is that you are trying to increase the size of your leg muscles which is why this would never work for you. Well if you are trying to increase the size of your leg muscles & you don't have good genetics, than no it wouldn't work for you. You would be someone who would need to train heavier & lower reps & eat more food if thicker legs is your goal as that's the impression you give me.

 

[JLB001]

Well the current book I'm reading is by a personal trainer who's been in the game for about 30yrs & is about 50 or so years old & still looking good.

He got scholarships to play football to go from Canada to the United States & play for NCAA Division 1 & 2 schools & played professional football, & has trained many ppl inluding females, female bodybuilders, fitness models, male football players, female pro bodybuilders & male pro IFBB bodybuilders such as Paul Dillette & Aaron Baker. So this guy has 30yrs experience & you can't beat experience & he knows his sh!t.

I have Paul's phone number....should I call him for you?
And I HAVE been trained by an IFBB pro and know way too many of them, so my knowledge does not come from a book.


And the stadiums and sprints might work for Ballarina. Which is who that statement was for.

 

[nikegurl]

F

Foolio.

 

[Johnnny]

JLB001

I have Paul's phone number....should I call him for you?
And I HAVE been trained by an IFBB pro and know way too many of them, so my knowledge does not come from a book.

You have Paul Dillette's phone number? Yeah right. Besides, are you trying to brag or are in some competition with me or something?

The point I was making was this guy whom I'm referring to knows his sh!t.

 

[DrChiro]

Johnny...giving the credentials of the guy who's book your reading is pretty damn weak man. I have read numerous books by all the "top" guys in fitness and bodybuilding and I dont agree with everything I read.

Hopefully you are smart enough to realize that you are likely to read opposing views...even to your "special" book that you are reading.

I have both ACE and AFAA certification...and have been training or training people for 10 years +....I speak from EXPERIENCE...MY OWN EXPERIENCE AND THE EXPERIENCE OF MY CLIENTS, MYSELF, AND MY FRIENDS...not from what some other guy experienced.

Your little piece of paper you may get if you pass your trainer test doesn't mean shit....all it means is you can legally train people...it doesnt men you know what you are talking about or that you will get your clients good results.

It really is so individual...thats why its PERSONAL training....because everyone is different.....use what you read as guidelines....but I promise they will not always yield the results you hope for. That is where your true skill and experience will be tested and from what I hear so far.....you wont pass that test unless you change your attitude.

oh..and i'm sorry about your thyroid problem caused by ephedra supposedly....if you cant even take care of your own body how are you supposed to be able to take care of your client's?

 

[JLB001]

JLB001



You have Paul Dillette's phone number? Yeah right. Besides, are you trying to brag or are in some competition with me or something?

The point I was making was this guy whom I'm referring to knows his sh!t.

Damn...doesn't it piss you off that all I have to do is pick up the phone and call?

And yes...I do have his number for real.

 

[Johnnny]

JLB001

Damn...doesn't it piss you off that all I have to do is pick up the phone and call?

And yes...I do have his number for real.

Naw it doesn't piss me off at all that you "have" his number. Paul Dillet used to train at my old gym in one area of Montreal for a long time. They have many pictures of him alone & with the owner. & he has trained with this guy I'm talking about who has 30yrs experiece plus played for Divisioin 1 NCAA football schools & professional football. So go ahead & call him.

DrChiro

Johnny...giving the credentials of the guy who's book your reading is pretty damn weak man. I have read numerous books by all the "top" guys in fitness and bodybuilding and I dont agree with everything I read.

Hopefully you are smart enough to realize that you are likely to read opposing views...even to your "special" book that you are reading.

I have both ACE and AFAA certification...and have been training or training people for 10 years +....I speak from EXPERIENCE...MY OWN EXPERIENCE AND THE EXPERIENCE OF MY CLIENTS, MYSELF, AND MY FRIENDS...not from what some other guy experienced.

Your little piece of paper you may get if you pass your trainer test doesn't mean shit....all it means is you can legally train people...it doesnt men you know what you are talking about or that you will get your clients good results.

It really is so individual...thats why its PERSONAL training....because everyone is different.....use what you read as guidelines....but I promise they will not always yield the results you hope for. That is where your true skill and experience will be tested and from what I hear so far.....you wont pass that test unless you change your attitude.

oh..and i'm sorry about your thyroid problem caused by ephedra supposedly....if you cant even take care of your own body how are you supposed to be able to take care of your client's?

All I have to say to you say you speak from your experiences & that of your clients well as some ppl here would say to me, that doesn't mean anything.

As for knowing what I'm talking about, all the information I'm learning & reading has be written by this individual who's been in the game for 30yrs. Do you have 30yrs experience under your belt? Probably not. Plus he had a University degree in exercise science or something of that manner & learned all about the functions of the body.

oh..and i'm sorry about your thyroid problem caused by ephedra supposedly....if you cant even take care of your own body how are you supposed to be able to take care of your client's?

With that smart assed remark all I have to say is scr^w you as we don't know how drugs & supplements will react in each individual's body before it's too late after you take them. It wasn't my fault as I didn't know I'd react that way to the ephedrine/ephedra. I'm healthy now & getting back into very good condition with size. As for taking care of clients I would do just that & not recommend these forms of supplements.

 

[Twin Peak]

I take back everything I previously wrote, since I am obviously clueless, as I don't have a training certificate.

I did read Arnold's encyclopedia once, does that count?

I think what everyone fails to realize is that experience is all well and good, but if the "knowledge" derived from that "experience" is a load of crap, than who gives a %$%^# how "experienced" you are.

There are few absolutes to bodybuilding, and most everything varies across each individual, but if you are ignorant enough to make comments that violate the few truths that exist, then well, you are ignorant.

 

[Saturday Fever]

I only have 2 years of experience, and I can school people. I also like to toot my own horn.

But TP is right.

 

[Johnnny]

Twin Peak

I take back everything I previously wrote, since I am obviously clueless, as I don't have a training certificate.

I did read Arnold's encyclopedia once, does that count?

I think what everyone fails to realize is that experience is all well and good, but if the "knowledge" derived from that "experience" is a load of crap, than who gives a %$%^# how "experienced" you are.

There are few absolutes to bodybuilding, and most everything varies across each individual, but if you are ignorant enough to make comments that violate the few truths that exist, then well, you are ignorant.

I never said you were clueless. I'm saying is I trust someone with an exercise science & biology degree & 30yrs experience in this business playing for NCAA Division 1 football teams, & having trained pro female & pro male bodybuilders, atheletes, football players, fitness models you name it.

30yrs of quality experience & knowledge is what I believe. All I can say is there aren't too many ppl here with 30 or even 20yrs experience.

Another very intelligent person is Roy Callender who was training since the 1970's & trains ppl at my old gym including many women. So I believe veteran experience more than anything else. You will get the most out of someone who's been in the game that long & training themselves even longer.

 

[JLB001]

Football is NOT Bodybuilding. Dude, get your head outta your ass.

Twin Peaks nailed it on the head this time with his post. Haven't you got the clue yet Johnny that we don't really give a rat's azz what your books say? Too us, personal experience and how things work for each individual matter more to us than books or book knowledge. There is a BIG difference in being book smart and have street smarts...And to be honest if you are basing everything you do off those books and that 30 so called yrs of experience...Your setting yourself up to fail before you ever begin. Your knowledge in BBing is truly lacking....Maybe you should discuss football instead? Or grappling for that matter, I'm sure Craig could explain that more in detail too.

hell I'm sick of reading the crap you type. It's a total bore.

 

[DrChiro]

The truth of the matter is that if you actually spoke to the guy who wrote the book...i bet he would be inclined to agree with us and would probably tell you something along these lines:

"i wrote that book as a guideline....general rules to follow.....the most likely ways to reach the goals of most people. I did NOT INTEND for it to be the bible of training....nor is every word written in my book, law....i do have a hell of alot of experience and i know that everybody is different...take what i have written and add your own experience to come up with your own methods."

as far as his knowledge...i think you will find plenty of knowledge on this board. And sometimes knowledge that goes too far back is outdated if the person isn't open minded enough to chage his ways with the times.

that would be like someone reading arnold encyclopedia of bodybuilding and following it to the letter....he has some experience and knowledge of the body i would say...but even he wouldn't reccomend that everybody trains like him.

my degree was in nutrition and exercise science....then i went on to get my doctorate in chiropractic (4 years of medical school)...twin peaks.....just read some of his stuff...he knows his shit.

i guess the true test will be time...and how your clients look when you train them...that is the only true measure of a trainer's skill. so all this banter back and fort, while fun, is really pointless....since you disregard our collective experience (which i am sure exceeds 30 years)....you have your mind made up and sometimes you just cant change that.

I would say that from our point of view you seem arrogant....ignorant....close minded....and the fact that you support your argument not based on what you have seen, but rather only what you have read shows that you lack real world experience and we all know that book knowledge only takes you so far.....i'm just glad that i have both so i dont come across sounding as ignorant as you.

 

[DrChiro]

it seems you really have a "thing" for this guy who wrote the book you're reading. maybe we can look him up and we can get his address for you...then you can go over to his house...get on your knees...and blow him.


sound good?....you know you want to.

 

[JLB001]

Stalker.

 

[P-funk]

it seems you really have a "thing" for this guy who wrote the book you're reading. maybe we can look him up and we can get his address for you...then you can go over to his house...get on your knees...and blow him.


sound good?....you know you want to.

LOL, it appears that you and JLB are in the same situation that I am with this kid

 

[Johnnny]

JLB001

Football is NOT Bodybuilding. Dude, get your head outta your ass.

Twin Peaks nailed it on the head this time with his post. Haven't you got the clue yet Johnny that we don't really give a rat's azz what your books say? Too us, personal experience and how things work for each individual matter more to us than books or book knowledge. There is a BIG difference in being book smart and have street smarts...And to be honest if you are basing everything you do off those books and that 30 so called yrs of experience...Your setting yourself up to fail before you ever begin. Your knowledge in BBing is truly lacking....Maybe you should discuss football instead? Or grappling for that matter, I'm sure Craig could explain that more in detail too.

hell I'm sick of reading the crap you type. It's a total bore.

Are you that dense? He always did bodybuilding during football, why do you think he knows so much about it & has worked with IFBB pro's like Paul Dillet & Aaron Baker? Because he did years of bodybuilding training & diet.


DrChiro

it seems you really have a "thing" for this guy who wrote the book you're reading. maybe we can look him up and we can get his address for you...then you can go over to his house...get on your knees...and blow him.

First thing you can blow yourself. As for having a "thing" for him, the only thing I have for him is respect for what he has done in the body building world
& the help he's provided for men & women & youths. Personally I think you swing the other way as you seem to know a lot about going to other mens houses & blowing them from your statement. I personally get blown by a beautiful young woman, & this guys sexy wife who I met takes care of him plenty, what about you? It also seems like you have a "thing" for Arnold as you always talk about him. But I doubt you'll have a chance to get that close to him with all the security now that he's govenor, you should've tried when he was just an actor.

P-funk

LOL, it appears that you and JLB are in the same situation that I am with this kid

First off I'm not any kid here, I bet I'm older than you, & I already know I'm more mature. P-funk just can't accept that he's wrong about something & even the wise & knowledgeable Prince agrees with me on it despite the study he posted.

JLB001

Stalker.

One I have a girlfriend & 2 from the other things I've read about you from old posts You're the one who's a freak.


You dudes can say whatever you want but 30yrs bodybuilding, 30yrs personal training & 30yrs knowledge is all I have to say. So what the guy played football. He knows more about proper bodybuilding training & diet than football training. How do you think he's trained female & male pro bodybuilders? As well as regular ppl & fitness models & so on. Because he has 30yrs of knowledge. 30yrs experience=results & proper information. You can't argue with 30yrs under your belt.

 

[JLB001]

So what is this great persons name so I can personally call Paul and ask him if he even knows this person? Don't try and blow too much smoke up my azz, I know way too many people in this business to call your bluff.

I'm a freak? Gawd I love jealousy.

And for who blows Dr. Chiro...that would be me. Thanks for your concern about who does him.

 

[Johnnny]

His name is Glenn Cunningham.

Here is a link: http://www.corfit.com/bioglen.htm

 

[scottrtrout]

So this is what has been going on while I was gone. Is this guy posting stuff like this on all the threads? It's a good thing he has that book imagen what he would be sayin if he didn't even have that? Very entertaining thread tho. lol

 

[Johnnny]

scottrtrout

So this is what has been going on while I was gone. Is this guy posting stuff like this on all the threads? It's a good thing he has that book imagen what he would be sayin if he didn't even have that? Very entertaining thread tho. lol

One, these ppl wanted to know who the 30yr of experience veteran I was talking about &

2 that BS you say about what would not having his book & what I would say is full of it. Even without the book I've learned a sh!t load of proper information from female trainers, male trainers, strength coaches, power lifters & bodybuilders both natural & steroid enhanced & I have 10yrs of training & dieting under my belt so I know a descent amount like it or not.

 

[scottrtrout]

This is funny Calm down guy. All you have to do is prove yourself. Show what your 10 yrs have built you.

 

[Johnnny]

scottrtrout

Don't take offense to this, but what are you on to get that ripped?

You say you are natural? I'm not buying that. But anyway you look good.


As I've said over & over again I'm waiting to post pics until my conditioning returns to normal as I've suffered a set back. But it's slowly returning. My upper abs are already showing through. It's just the lower abs that are more of the problem but that annoying bit of fat is slowly shedding away.

 

[JLB001]

Scott...Johnny isn't worth the effort or trouble. Let him be lost in his books.

Oh and Johnny....why knock the naturals like Scott? Haven't you ever heard of eatting clean and putting in the hard work? You show no pics because your embaressed. Maybe Johnnny can get ripped by following his book to a T.

 

[scottrtrout]

I know that's why I didn't respond. I just think it's funny. People that know the one and only way to be a bodybuilder. lol

 

[Johnnny]

JLB001

Scott...Johnny isn't worth the effort or trouble. Let him be lost in his books.

Oh and Johnny....why knock the naturals like Scott? Haven't you ever heard of eatting clean and putting in the hard work? You show no pics because your embaressed. Maybe Johnnny can get ripped by following his book to a T.

Personally I don't like you or your attitude. I've already explained myself about showing pics & I will once my good conditioning returns & it is already starting to return. Yes as I said I am slightly & it's spelled "embarrassed" learn to write. I've explained myself many times of why I'm waiting to post until my normally good condition returns.

Like I said I had a bad reaction to the ephedrine/ephedra & thermogenic fat burners. My thyroid levels remained in the hyper state & I went from about 225lbs with good condition for that weight at my 5ft9 height to 200lbs in less than 4 weeks & couldn't train anymore until I got my treatment.

& last august they gave me idodine treatment which shutdown my thyroid & I was warned by the endocrinologist that I would uncontrolably gain body fat without any thyroid hormones & I did even despit a clean diet, interval cardio training & hitting every muscle every week hard. The endocrinologist said they were still surpised I had the energy to go to the gym lift over 245lbs on bench & still do my cardio. As normally ppl who have that treatment wouldn't have the energy or desire to do anything physical.

So I wouldn't be criticising my physique jagoff as you don't know what I've been through, & what I've been through to bring my body halfway back to where it was when I was 225lbs. But even now if I posted a pic I would still show good size for my body structure at 210lbs with even now reasonable condtitioning. Like I've said already it's just my mid section that's the little problem & it's already slowly shedding away. My cardio invovles sprint training using incline angles which is damn hard especially after 50mins of lifting.


As for being really ripped I have 2 beliefs on how it's done. Personally I think most of it is steroids from the ppl that I've met & am friends with. Like bodybuilder Larry Vinette. He isn't a 220lb ripped bodybuilder. He is a 180-195lbs ripped I believe in that picture on another thread. It says he's a pro natural bodybuilder, but one contest a few buddies of mine went to of his he took 1st place. The following week he had his title revoked b/c of steroids. He always told us what he was on including a 2 week period of GH/Insulin but had to stop as his jaw was getting bigger.

I do believe however it is easier for much lighter ppl to get in good condition much quicker than heavier, more muscled ppl. I have a friend who is 5ft9 & weighs 165lbs. He started training for the first time last summer & after 6 months only he was very vascular at around 173lbs but would never go much higher.

I'm off to Toronto this morning for awhile & I will probably get to speak with IFBB Pro Markus Rhul again. I spoke to him for awhile last year when he was in Toronto for a show & the year before when he won the Toronto. So I'll be able to get some veteran/pro advice & opinions on training things.

 

[JLB001]

Do you really think it hurts my feelings that you don't like me or my attitude? I could really careless what you think of me.

Craig started at 217 at 5'6 appx. 17 weeks ago and now sits at 172, so anything is poss. if you have the will and desire to do so. Plus KNOWLEDGE in your body, what works for that person, etc all does come into play. It's knowledge that is not obtained from a book or from listening to hear say from others etc. In this sport, opinions are like assholes.....everyone has one.

I do wish you luck on obtaining your goal of getting your body back. We know the hard work that it entails and how tedious it can be. I just see it as a shame that you want to rely on books that may have outdated material to base your training and weightloss off of. Take what's in those books and taylor it to you.

 

[Johnnny]

JLB001

Do you really think it hurts my feelings that you don't like me or my attitude? I could really careless what you think?

Personally I don't care what you think, what matters is what I shit of your poor attitude.

Craig started at 217 at 5'6 appx. 17 weeks ago and now sits at 172, so anything is poss. if you have the will and desire to do so. Plus KNOWLEDGE in your body, what works for that person, etc all does come into play. It's knowledge that is not obtained from a book or from listening to hear say from others etc. In this sport, opinions are like assholes.....everyone has one.

You see I don't have much body fat to lose at 210lbs as it is mostly muscle at that weight. To me books are only a tool to give you more knowledge to help you helpy ourself.

I do wish you luck on obtaining your goal of getting your body back. We know the hard work that it entails and how tedious it can be. I just see it as a shame that you want to rely on books that may have outdated material to base your training and weightloss off of. Take what's in those books and taylor it to you.

I never said I rely on books I use them as a tool. & the books I read including the one from my course are up to date as well as the information that 30yr veteran Glenn Cunningham teaches.

As for being completely shredded in my opinion you can only go so far until your results will come to a hault & need the aid of hormonal compounds such as Winstrol, parabolan, & Deca Durabolan/nandralone decanoate to name a few steroids commonly used for more cutting than mass but very often combined with some sort of testosterone or D-Bol.

I have a friend who is really ripped at 195lbs & is half way through a cycle of parabolan, Winstrol & clenbuterol & has gotten really good results.

 

[chronic]

PLZ DONT STOP DA MADNESS!!! i dont care if this thread goes 20 pages i'm still probably gonna get a good laugh over it

 

[JLB001]

He isn't worth anymore of my replys.....It falls upon deaf ears. Good Luck.

I will not comment on steriods as I do not know enough about them to do so. But I do know you can get shredded with the proper diet without the use of steriods. Cardio and Diet does wonders. Once you hit the point that the diet isn't working, it requires a little tweaking to get in motion again.

So your saying that an Ectomorph couldn't get shredded without the use of hormones? How sad. You do need to go back to that guy with the so called 30 yrs of experience.

if you don't like my attitude...then don't responde.

 

[Twin Peak]

What a minute.

Who the hell are all these new moderators? Geez, I need to get my head out of the sand.