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I just had to comment this thread after reading all of the shit talking about the P90X. First off it fucking kicks your ass. IDC who you are. It changes your life, if you stick to it. That's no bullshit, and that's no fucking joke. And to the ones who say that you cannot get "stronger" or build mass off this program, you're just a silly wanker. Of course you have to change your workout, you have to do more weight and more reps. Common fucking sense right? Or so I thought until I stumbled onto this meat head forum full of idiot ass trainers who have never even attempted the program. So this goes out to those of you who are reading this forum and thinking of not doing the P90X because you want to build MASS. Do the program, gradually do more reps and more weight, up your protein intake, drink creatine and BRING IT!

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Yeah dude we need pics of you in a thong flexing with your small whacker from pumping roids in here or your not gonna be believed
 
You do know that your ability to improve "explosiveness" via plyometrics is extremely limited, and that having untrained people performing plyometrics (which are usually high-impact movements) is pretty dangerous?

Power is based on 2 components. You can train yourself to develop force more quickly (and this is what plyometrics are for), but without a good strength base, you're not going to develop much explosiveness at all. Your rate of force development may be quite good, but if your max. force output is low, what good is that?

Show me an olympic weightlifter - the most powerful/explosive athletes in the world - and I'll show you a person who does plenty of heavy squats to increase his or her strength base.
 
Kimora you're such a big man and an mma fighter but you're running away? You know what that's called? Being a pussy! Stand in the ring and fight like a man! You bit off more than you could chew, got backed into a corner of knowlege, now you're just talking smack and flailing like a punk. How many jokes can I find about mma fighters? What level are you at when you want to talk about kickin ass at every chance you get? You're a simpleton. Unevolved.

....I don't care about you or your gym or BJ's or BJJ or your coach, or any of your little shit talking. When you're ready to talk about what works and what doesn't work in the safest and most efficient manner within the scope of fitness and training instead of pout and wine like a little kid because someone kicks around some training system you like, then feel free to chime in. Bring a valid point or some data instead of your shit talking. Now who looks like a meat head. Most people would probably call you a douche-bag.

Or maybe you'll rejoin with a different user name and act more like a man. Not a boy who think's he's a man because he keeps spouting about mma. Go watch a fight on ppv and get your rocks off until you gain some knowledge, child.
 
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Kimora you're such a big man and an mma fighter but you're running away? You know what that's called? Being a pussy! Stand in the ring and fight like a man! You bit off more than you could chew, got backed into a corner of knowlege, now you're just talking smack and flailing like a punk. How many jokes can I find about mma fighters? What level are you at when you want to talk about kickin ass at every chance you get? You're a simpleton. Unevolved.

....I don't care about you or your gym or BJ's or BJJ or your coach, or any of your little shit talking. When you're ready to talk about what works and what doesn't work in the safest and most efficient manner within the scope of fitness and training instead of pout and wine like a little kid because someone kicks around some training system you like, then feel free to chime in. Bring a valid point or some data instead of your shit talking. Now who looks like a meat head. Most people would probably call you a douche-bag.

Or maybe you'll rejoin with a different user name and act more like a man. Not a boy who think's he's a man because he keeps spouting about mma. Go watch a fight on ppv and get your rocks off until you gain some knowledge, child.

I too came across this thread via Google. I registered just to make a few comments and never come back.

Merkaba, engaging in this kind of argument with every troll on this thread does not make you appear in control as a moderator. You were overly aggressive in your first posts, backed off, and then took the bait again. :rolleyes:

Unlike you, I have tried the disks and witnessed the results first hand. I am not going to proselytize about the program, but 'my' results were good. This is a good 'all around' program with some weaknesses: chest, hamstring, and lower back development are minimal. No surprise as these muscle groups best benefit from heavier than bodyweight loads. I particularly enjoy plyo because it is so different from my usual workouts.

Will this program ready someone w/ limited experience and/or on hiatus from regular exercise? Yes. The OP asked for help with where to go next. That was your chance to ask a few questions, understand his goals and experience, and lead by example. The fact that he was already 'off the couch', had engaged in exercise, and seeking advice from 'experts' displayed a level of commitment that many don't already have.

The sad result is this extended and deviated thread that turned into a pissing match with name calling from a mod. Good luck to this forum...
 
I too came across this thread via Google. I registered just to make a few comments and never come back.

Merkaba, engaging in this kind of argument with every troll on this thread does not make you appear in control as a moderator. You were overly aggressive in your first posts, backed off, and then took the bait again. :rolleyes:

Unlike you, I have tried the disks and witnessed the results first hand. I am not going to proselytize about the program, but 'my' results were good. This is a good 'all around' program with some weaknesses: chest, hamstring, and lower back development are minimal. No surprise as these muscle groups best benefit from heavier than bodyweight loads. I particularly enjoy plyo because it is so different from my usual workouts.

Will this program ready someone w/ limited experience and/or on hiatus from regular exercise? Yes. The OP asked for help with where to go next. That was your chance to ask a few questions, understand his goals and experience, and lead by example. The fact that he was already 'off the couch', had engaged in exercise, and seeking advice from 'experts' displayed a level of commitment that many don't already have.

The sad result is this extended and deviated thread that turned into a pissing match with name calling from a mod. Good luck to this forum...
As I said. Give me a jump rope and couple of jugs of water and I can get the same results. I don't care one bit what you think about these dvd's or any others. What about "hip hop" abs? Go do that one. I don't need to try the dvd's. You know why? The same reason I don't need to get shot to know its bad and will hurt. Dude, do p90x all you want to! Great, more power to you. My sister swears taking lecithin helps her lose fat. Buy it up sis! Anyone can workout and lose weight its easy. Many of us know better and SAFER scientifically proven ways of accomplishing certain fitness goals without using water-cut pro models. It's the same ad every time: "Gyms and trainers can be expensive buy me now and save money and learn a bunch of unnecessary and high risk moves to get you from point a to point z by going through 24 other points designed to breed some sense of accomplishment and "confusion" instead of going straight to point z. Now you mean to tell me you logged in to come talk smack and leave like a kid because you have no valid points to make or argue? Or do you have anything to contribute to the board? Thanks for your opinion. But its just all it is. Do you know anything on how metabolics work? How about the kreb's cycle? How about leptin? What about the role the central nervous system plays in the overall scheme of things?

I'll wait on you to log in again as another name or wait on the next googler to come talk smack or maybe perhaps add something of substance to the argument. And I'm a mod, so what. That doesn't mean I'm gonna sit back while you or someone takes shots. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go do some Ab-Ripper movements so my abs will get ripped!

To any future new readers of this thread. Remember, Go do p90x as much as you like. Do it freakin' twice a day! I DO NOT CARE!!! I will continue to give current and safe advice to my friends and clients.
 
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Stop bumping this trash.

The P90X is garbage, as are 95% of the exercise products advertised on infomercials at four in the morning.
 
P90 is definitely a lightning rod around here.

I'd say that I would never use it. Reasons: (1) I think there are more efficient ways at losing fat, and (2) the P90 program seems like it would waste away your hard earned muscle. It's neither a muscle maintenance nor a muscle growth program from what I can see.

That said, I think it "works" for many who want to shed some fat, can't get to the gym, can't stick to a fitness program, etc. My cousin and brother in-law both use this. And while I very subtely point out the flaws in the entire program, the bottom line is this: They've lost weight, they continue to adhere to the program, the look much better, and they feel better. Do I feel like I could help them acheive their goals more efficiently with resistance training and a proper diet? Yup. But it's better to leave them along. They're rolling.

So really, this program being good, bad, or ugly depends on your goals and your knowledge of alternative methods of acheiving that goal.

KY
 
So really, this program being good, bad, or ugly depends on your goals and your knowledge of alternative methods of acheiving that goal.

Excellent point, however, if you think it's the best way to train or even a "good" way to train, you need to either A. shore up your knowledge of exercise or B. accept mediocrity.
 
Excellent point, however, if you think it's the best way to train or even a "good" way to train, you need to either A. shore up your knowledge of exercise or B. accept mediocrity.

I'd agree most people should do as you suggest. But they wont.

I'd also say that just as it isn't right for "us" to make a blanket statement and say that P90 "doesn't work," it isn't right for the P90 users to come in here and say it's the best thing since sliced bread...when they probably have not researched / tried other alternatives.

KY
 
wow, look at all of these Mr. Universe wanna be's, maybe you guys need to lay off the building muscle mass and let your brain get some of the nutrients you take in. Because what you are not getting here is a simple point, p90x is not for everyone, but those who need motivation, and are afraid to go to a gym, it's a starting point. It doesn't promise to make you a muscle head, it just states it will get you into shape, if you follow their program.

Have i tried it, yes. Is it perfect, like some of you on this forum, NO. Does it work, to the average person, yes. It is a path to get people to commit to work out.

Look not everyone wants to be a muscle head, and have 40" arms, if that's you, all the power to you. But when someone comes to this forum looking for guidance, don't knock them because of what they have been doing, show them a path to get them where they want to be. Remember you were at some point shown how to get to where you are today by someone who helped you.

Best of luck to all of you.... enjoy your workouts and remember, there are always multiple paths to a goal, and not everyone needs to follow the same path, as not everyone is the same.
 
wow, look at all of these Mr. Universe wanna be's, maybe you guys need to lay off the building muscle mass and let your brain get some of the nutrients you take in. Because what you are not getting here is a simple point, p90x is not for everyone, but those who need motivation, and are afraid to go to a gym, it's a starting point. It doesn't promise to make you a muscle head, it just states it will get you into shape, if you follow their program.

Have i tried it, yes. Is it perfect, like some of you on this forum, NO. Does it work, to the average person, yes. It is a path to get people to commit to work out.

Look not everyone wants to be a muscle head, and have 40" arms, if that's you, all the power to you. But when someone comes to this forum looking for guidance, don't knock them because of what they have been doing, show them a path to get them where they want to be. Remember you were at some point shown how to get to where you are today by someone who helped you.

Best of luck to all of you.... enjoy your workouts and remember, there are always multiple paths to a goal, and not everyone needs to follow the same path, as not everyone is the same.

Another person showing their ignorance. You see, the thing that gets most of us agitated are people like you who think that their is some difference in getting in shape, and thus perpetuate the ignorance cycle. There is noone on this thread or any other that I know of that suggest everyone workout one way, or lift to be a "muscle head" or put on muscle for that matter. There are many threads here that talk about fat loss without even lifting. But oh you haven't read through any of this forum have you? The fact is that there are only a few things one can do, And most of them can't be combined. So every time someone like you comes in and ASSUMES that people here criticizing the system are suggesting that people only lift or eat in order to gain muscle or bulk up, then you are only helping to prove our point, and that is that ignorance costs people time and in many cases injury.

My points, along with many others, is that one can save time and money and more importantly pain/injury by unlearning traditional methodologies that obviously continue to perpetuate, thus leading the way for any body with some money and a commercial to garner sales from the ignorant. People watch fat loss reality shows and infomercials and think they need to come close to killing themselves or do some combination of movements or stretches and bends and lunges in order to get in shape. Meanwhile they could be getting in shape way easier then they probably realize but they have been missing the mark because media tells them they can have prolonged success by trying to combine goals because a water cut fitness model says they should. Does p90x work? Yes. Does Starving yourself and jogging work? yes. And my point is how many people are going to be doing either, or any extreme, for the next 20 years? Learn how the body works so you can know how to get in shape without compromising integrity of your joints or metabolic functions.

There are a few people who are extremely passionate about training and training others and helping them realize fitness goals and explaining whats optimal and safe. It's just like if you were an engine expert and you kept seeing someone telling another to add a little sugar to their gas because it helps with rpms. Can you do it? yes. Will the car run? yes. Do you as an expert know that it's bullshit and there are better ways? yes.

Who here has said anything about being or acting perfect? Or following one path? And yes there is more than one way to skin a cat, some or just better and safer than others.

I have a close friend that is getting ready to do p90x. More power to her, she needs something. She can't afford me, and she needs something to go by.
Again, my main problem now is with yahoo's like you who come in and want to talk a little smack, with some assumption that everyone is a gym rat or trying to be Ronnie Coleman because you're trying to make some point, but you're making up this assumption because you have a lack of fitness knowledge obviously. The fact is that the body is only trying to do one of three things at any given moment. Get Bigger, Smaller, or maintain the same. Optimal and safest approaches are gained by doing one at a time and cycling through them, and not basing their approach on trying to combine them.

And fitness programs shouldn't be judged by how fast one enters the kreb's cycle.

If you actually looked through this forum you would see people giving a multitude of fitness approaches, but I guarantee you the experienced folks are giving ideas of what is safe within the approach and what works based on metabolics, anatomy, and scientific research. You obviously haven't done that. You googled P90 probably and landed here, read a thread, and came across this one and made your first post. As a matter of fact, how did you get here? If you already have done the program? The fact is that it's so simple that people want to mystify it because so many people have been trying to do shit like p90 for the past decades. Trying to base their fat loss off of workout programs they won't do for more than a few months.

Welcome to the board, don't run off. But frankly I think you owe US, as a community, an apology. So man up. Or come back and talk some smack and say you won't return again like the other people did when they get, for lack of better words, owned.
 
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Put this to bed. The P90x is crap.
 
Just to add something in, I have been weight training for years, and have a solid understanding, and downloaded P90x out of curiosity after a friend recomended it.

I did it for a month and guess what? I got really good results. Then again, I would have gotten the exact same results with probably MORE mass if I worked out 6 days a week on my own and instead of messing around with bodyweight exercises for lower back and legs, threw some heavy weight on a bar and starting squatting it, or lifting it, or playing with it in any various fashion (in a safe and controlled manner, of course).

P90x is good if you need the motivation and want someone to tell you what to do. It takes the thinking out of it, which is one of the most appealing factors. Tony specifically says, over and over (Tony is annoying as hell by the way, and I was not surprised at all when I heard that he ventured to cali to be an actor before landing this gig) that all you have to do is push play. Keep pushing play. For 90 days, just turn this tape on, do what I say, you you will be RIPPED. Whats not to like?

My advice to anyone considering P90X: download it for free and try it out. the ab ripper X is super challenging, and I actually enjoy it as a mixup from my standard ab routine. Better then p90x is to adopt a high intensity weight training regimen, using proper form, and doing a circuit. I eventually started turning off my t.v and just following that style workout for an hour, and it worked great. The bottom line is that anything done with consistancy and intensity will work! you will see results!
 
I can't believe this argument is still going on!!

I bought the P90X system in November for my wife.

She started it mid Jan and has been doing it for around a month now - and guess what? She's getting great results from it!!

Now if I'd have bought her Hip Hop Abs - she's get results from that!

If I'd have got her Blah Blah Blah....... She'd get results from that!

Basically all the programs out there are good/and bad - you have to put the effort in.

She could have lifted weights 4 days a week and cardio 4 days a week and guess what? She'd get results (obviously by following a good healthy diet too - that goes without saying!).

I think everyone should get off their high horses and just admit most exercises systems have good and bad points! I for example no longer workout with weights due to injuries in the past. Instead I just workout with my own bodyweight and dynamic tension & isometrics. And guess what??? I get great results too! (without any negative side effects!)

MCCASk - I agree totally with your post. The moderator here is too aggressive for a site. No offense Merkaba but you need to take a chill pill (no other pills ;) as they obviously give you rage!! ). This is your site/forum - you need to be a bit more calmer with your answers. It's not giving bodybuilders a good image - you are basically living up to the stereotype of the roid rage bodybuilder!! Be adult about it, admit that P90X (or whatever people are talking about) is not for you and move on. Let aggressive people get on with it. No need to stoop down to their level!!

Good luck to you all that try P90X, good luck to you all who try ....... diet or ....system etc - I wish everyone success in however they choose to train. ditch the roids and be naturally healthy & fit

John
 
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Kimora you're such a big man and an mma fighter but you're running away? You know what that's called? Being a pussy! Stand in the ring and fight like a man! You bit off more than you could chew, got backed into a corner of knowlege, now you're just talking smack and flailing like a punk. How many jokes can I find about mma fighters? What level are you at when you want to talk about kickin ass at every chance you get? You're a simpleton. Unevolved.

....I don't care about you or your gym or BJ's or BJJ or your coach, or any of your little shit talking. When you're ready to talk about what works and what doesn't work in the safest and most efficient manner within the scope of fitness and training instead of pout and wine like a little kid because someone kicks around some training system you like, then feel free to chime in. Bring a valid point or some data instead of your shit talking. Now who looks like a meat head. Most people would probably call you a douche-bag.

Or maybe you'll rejoin with a different user name and act more like a man. Not a boy who think's he's a man because he keeps spouting about mma. Go watch a fight on ppv and get your rocks off until you gain some knowledge, child.



Nope just not gonna argue with morons.Im a pussy yet i told you where i train and to come get some,yet you still hide in here with your talking shit with your roid head buds lol whatever keep talkin i told you where im at.Also on further research i also found that Navy Seals train in crossfit to keep in shape while on deployment,i can't wait for you to say some stupid ass shit about that.Also lol olympic weightlifters last time one of those guys stepped into the ring with all their power and explosivness it ended in a assbeating.Please keep thinking your a badass you know where im at if you ever wanna come get some.Where r you at im the pussy yet your still hiding behind your sn.


Oh wait upon even further research not just Navy Seals but almost every SF and SO in the military has taken up crossfit(which is very much like p90x but way more extreme)not powerlifting making i gotta shit on myself faces in the mirror.Why?Because it is functional it builds functional explosivness and strength.Your just pissed cause you can't do it.Hell i bet you can bench 400 pounds yet you would be hard pressed to do 5 pullups.Please blow on this also cause i know you gonna make some 4 page post on some bs you read in a muscle and fitness mag lol.Oh btw you have a small dick.Maybe next time you should pose with some jogging shorts on not some gay ass man thongs.

Just figured i would give you a little update there.Responding to this just proves what a dbag you are as this is most def my last post.Please Please Please,come to my gym so we can show you the meaning of pussy.But i know you won't you'll just comeback with some internet toughguy bs impressing all your meathead internet buds in here and denying the obvious.
 
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Nope just not gonna argue with morons.Im a pussy yet i told you where i train and to come get some,yet you still hide in here with your talking shit with your roid head buds lol whatever keep talkin i told you where im at.Also on further research i also found that Navy Seals train in crossfit to keep in shape while on deployment,i can't wait for you to say some stupid ass shit about that.Also lol olympic weightlifters last time one of those guys stepped into the ring with all their power and explosivness it ended in a assbeating.Please keep thinking your a badass you know where im at if you ever wanna come get some.Where r you at im the pussy yet your still hiding behind your sn.


Oh wait upon even further research not just Navy Seals but almost every SF and SO in the military has taken up crossfit(which is very much like p90x but way more extreme)not powerlifting making i gotta shit on myself faces in the mirror.Why?Because it is functional it builds functional explosivness and strength.Your just pissed cause you can't do it.Hell i bet you can bench 400 pounds yet you would be hard pressed to do 5 pullups.Please blow on this also cause i know you gonna make some 4 page post on some bs you read in a muscle and fitness mag lol.Oh btw you have a small dick.Maybe next time you should pose with some jogging shorts on not some gay ass man thongs.

Just figured i would give you a little update there.Responding to this just proves what a dbag you are as this is most def my last post.Please Please Please,come to my gym so we can show you the meaning of pussy.But i know you won't you'll just comeback with some internet toughguy bs impressing all your meathead internet buds in here and denying the obvious.
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Welcome back "Special" K. And by Special I mean the slow kind of special. Me big and bad, me wanna fight, me make fire, me don't like, me fight you. Kimora angry! Kimora smash! You do know that Anger is Fear announced! What are you afraid of? Oh I know, of being wrong, and folks here are proving you wrong, so your fear gets perverted into anger. Simple, from a simpleton.

How much I.Q. does it take to spout the nonsense that you repeat? I knew you couldn't resist! Humans are programmable, much like Pavlovs response. You're like a robot.

We're not talking about the navy seals or any other well institutionalize,fed, and well trained body of people, we're talking about lay-people and p90x.

But frankly I still could give a shit who does it. I don't care if Jesus Christ came down and said hey do p90. I'm gonna tell him why I don't recommend it and why. Then I'm gonna tell him and show him how he can achieve the same goals in a much safer fashion. Then we're both gonna laugh at you for falling for the marketing, then we're gonna laugh at you again for coming back to this thread and showing your ignorance, yet again. Don't you understand? You can't win this. Stop. Give up. You started off on the wrong foot. You could've corrected yourself but you choose to go down a road you can't navigate with your small and apparently crippled intuition.


I don't bench 400, and I can easily knock out 20+ pullups, at 260lbs, without cheating, oh I meant "kipping" like your holy grail P90 suggests.
Not only are you a pussy, but you're also gay! Stop looking at my dick dude! :owned: It's funny that you're talking all of this smack but clicking on my pic link and checking me out, in a sexual way. It's right at 8 inches and gets the job done. Ask your mom, after you clean up your room, then we'll go get you some ice cream if you're good, young immature boy. I could've been your dad but the German Shephard beat me to it! See ya later Gay boy. You wouldn't make it in the Navy Seals, "Don't ask, don't tell!" :roflmao:


Kimora: :homo:



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MCCASk - I agree totally with your post. The moderator here is too aggressive for a site. No offense Merkaba but you need to take a chill pill (no other pills ;) as they obviously give you rage!! ). This is your site/forum - you need to be a bit more calmer with your answers. It's not giving bodybuilders a good image - you are basically living up to the stereotype of the roid rage bodybuilder!! Be adult about it, admit that P90X (or whatever people are talking about) is not for you and move on. Let aggressive people get on with it. No need to stoop down to their level!!

Good luck to you all that try P90X, good luck to you all who try ....... diet or ....system etc - I wish everyone success in however they choose to train. ditch the roids and be naturally healthy & fit

John
You see this is what I don't tolerate. Someone trying to make a point, but taking a jab at the same time! I won't take a chill pill when I'm being insulted. To repeat for people like you and kimora who can't get the point through your thick skulls and remember what people say because you wan't to make a point:.... Does eating 1000 calories a day and jogging 3 miles a day work? Yes. Is it full of faults and danger? yes. If I packaged it and sold it to you would it still be the same? yes?

I can be totally intolerant of a system, that's my right. If you want to be totally supportive of a system that's your right. If you want to be totally supportive of average results, marketing, and high risk actions, that's your right. It's my right to rip apart a system, especially when giving legitimate reasons why. And its your right if you want to totally stand by it. But I won't tolerate someone taking a personal shot while trying to do so.

Once you've done this you've crossed the line and you've shown your ultimate ignorance because you have no knowledge with which to make a rebuttal. Only antics.

Now I jumped a guys ass early on in this thread because he was spamming and trying to break a basic forum rule. People google in then try to give some affilliate marketing link. I know how it works cause I'm in the business. Then we have three of four more idiots doing the same. Then they never come back! Then have the nerve to try to talk smack? Go back and count the dumbos who chime in with some nonsense, and/or some link, then never come back. 1,2, or 3 posts. Who will be the next?

And this is not My website. That's not what moderator means. A moderator looks out for things like...spamming and rule violations! Wow.

I'm really ready to rip "Biggest Loser" a new one too. But I know someone distantly involved with the program, and someone who locally trains a former contestant, and well lets say I'll hold off on it.


Fortunately, saying that you hate some advertised product(that you see on late night infomercials taking advantage of the sad overweight and depressed people up late sulking while looking at rehearsed actors and fitness models and thus more apt to make an emotional trigger purchase((....I have a marketing and fitness education and background)), and doing so repeatedly with much confidence and bravado, is not against the rules. If Admin or someone tells me they want to start selling it and to tone down my words or make the thread disappear or whatever, I'll happily oblige.

I can't keep repeating myself around here, and won't. I've responded enough and feel that it will give any serious, SERIOUS readers something to think about. I won't be wasting my time repeating myself or continuously owning people like Kimora. I might respond with a word or two or an icon. But time is money and I'm officially tired of wasting it in this thread. I think I've made my point. Unless someone has a valid argument I'm restricting my response time on you googled-in p90x first post-passer-by types. Now go do some unnecessary spinal flexion or something!
 
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Another person showing their ignorance. You see, the thing that gets most of us agitated are people like you who think that their is some difference in getting in shape, and thus perpetuate the ignorance cycle. There is noone on this thread or any other that I know of that suggest everyone workout one way, or lift to be a "muscle head" or put on muscle for that matter. There are many threads here that talk about fat loss without even lifting. But oh you haven't read through any of this forum have you? The fact is that there are only a few things one can do, And most of them can't be combined. So every time someone like you comes in and ASSUMES that people here criticizing the system are suggesting that people only lift or eat in order to gain muscle or bulk up, then you are only helping to prove our point, and that is that ignorance costs people time and in many cases injury.

My points, along with many others, is that one can save time and money and more importantly pain/injury by unlearning traditional methodologies that obviously continue to perpetuate, thus leading the way for any body with some money and a commercial to garner sales from the ignorant. People watch fat loss reality shows and infomercials and think they need to come close to killing themselves or do some combination of movements or stretches and bends and lunges in order to get in shape. Meanwhile they could be getting in shape way easier then they probably realize but they have been missing the mark because media tells them they can have prolonged success by trying to combine goals because a water cut fitness model says they should. Does p90x work? Yes. Does Starving yourself and jogging work? yes. And my point is how many people are going to be doing either, or any extreme, for the next 20 years? Learn how the body works so you can know how to get in shape without compromising integrity of your joints or metabolic functions.

There are a few people who are extremely passionate about training and training others and helping them realize fitness goals and explaining whats optimal and safe. It's just like if you were an engine expert and you kept seeing someone telling another to add a little sugar to their gas because it helps with rpms. Can you do it? yes. Will the car run? yes. Do you as an expert know that it's bullshit and there are better ways? yes.

Who here has said anything about being or acting perfect? Or following one path? And yes there is more than one way to skin a cat, some or just better and safer than others.

I have a close friend that is getting ready to do p90x. More power to her, she needs something. She can't afford me, and she needs something to go by.
Again, my main problem now is with yahoo's like you who come in and want to talk a little smack, with some assumption that everyone is a gym rat or trying to be Ronnie Coleman because you're trying to make some point, but you're making up this assumption because you have a lack of fitness knowledge obviously. The fact is that the body is only trying to do one of three things at any given moment. Get Bigger, Smaller, or maintain the same. Optimal and safest approaches are gained by doing one at a time and cycling through them, and not basing their approach on trying to combine them.

And fitness programs shouldn't be judged by how fast one enters the kreb's cycle.

If you actually looked through this forum you would see people giving a multitude of fitness approaches, but I guarantee you the experienced folks are giving ideas of what is safe within the approach and what works based on metabolics, anatomy, and scientific research. You obviously haven't done that. You googled P90 probably and landed here, read a thread, and came across this one and made your first post. As a matter of fact, how did you get here? If you already have done the program? The fact is that it's so simple that people want to mystify it because so many people have been trying to do shit like p90 for the past decades. Trying to base their fat loss off of workout programs they won't do for more than a few months.

Welcome to the board, don't run off. But frankly I think you owe US, as a community, an apology. So man up. Or come back and talk some smack and say you won't return again like the other people did when they get, for lack of better words, owned.

Absolutely phenomenal post that will not be read by the knee-jerk crowd.

Merkaba's posts have had one messsage, and if people would slow down and read they would get it:

Fat and out of shape? Haven't been to the gym in years? Grab a jump-rope. Put down the twinkies. Lift something. For fucks sake do ANYTHING, and you will get positive results. Following a program and getting good results does NOT mean that the training you are following is efficient, safe, or even good. It just means that your body is reacting favorably to new stimulus.

He is not saying P90x is worthless. He is saying that it is an overpriced program and that the average individual could put together a better (and cheaper) program with an excel spreadsheet and google.

Out here offshore we have TONS of guys who lift and exercise. Many of them do P90x. Most of the guys who have done the P90x have dropped it in favor of more conventional resistance training and dieting with better results. That said, the guys who do the P90x are in MUCH better shape than the guys who do nothing but sit on their asses. It's all relative.
 
Absolutely phenomenal post that will not be read by the knee-jerk crowd.

Merkaba's posts have had one messsage, and if people would slow down and read they would get it:

Fat and out of shape? Haven't been to the gym in years? Grab a jump-rope. Put down the twinkies. Lift something. For fucks sake do ANYTHING, and you will get positive results. Following a program and getting good results does NOT mean that the training you are following is efficient, safe, or even good. It just means that your body is reacting favorably to new stimulus.

He is not saying P90x is worthless. He is saying that it is an overpriced program and that the average individual could put together a better (and cheaper) program with an excel spreadsheet and google.

Out here offshore we have TONS of guys who lift and exercise. Many of them do P90x. Most of the guys who have done the P90x have dropped it in favor of more conventional resistance training and dieting with better results. That said, the guys who do the P90x are in MUCH better shape than the guys who do nothing but sit on their asses. It's all relative.

Thanks. And as someone else alluded to. What happens when you stop? How many people are gonna do p90x 3, 4 times a week for the next 5 years? Everyone thinks that weight is controlled by working out. And getting ripped is about working out and catchy phrases like Ab ripper with the much overhyped direct ab see how many ways I can de-stabilize my vertebrae workouts. Yea I would rather someone do P90x as opposed to doing nothing. But I would rather you go walking and save your milk jugs and fill them up with water and workout with them. Learn the fundamentals of form and basic anatomy before you go taking it for granted. And you don't have to be a gym rat or meat head. Yes, its 2010, its called Google and Youtube and facebook and anything else freaking google has their hands in.
 
Thanks. And as someone else alluded to. What happens when you stop? How many people are gonna do p90x 3, 4 times a week for the next 5 years? Everyone thinks that weight is controlled by working out. And getting ripped is about working out and catchy phrases like Ab ripper with the much overhyped direct ab see how many ways I can de-stabilize my vertebrae workouts. Yea I would rather someone do P90x as opposed to doing nothing. But I would rather you go walking and save your milk jugs and fill them up with water and workout with them. Learn the fundamentals of form and basic anatomy before you go taking it for granted. And you don't have to be a gym rat or meat head. Yes, its 2010, its called Google and Youtube and facebook and anything else freaking google has their hands in.

WTF? Are you saying Hip Hop Abs is not going to get me abs? :dance:
 

He is not saying P90x is worthless. He is saying that it is an overpriced program and that the average individual could put together a better (and cheaper) program with an excel spreadsheet and google.

I think all the randoms that signed up here realize that (atleast I think).

what you and everyone else knocking p90x don't realize is that not everyone has the time/dedication/motivation/desire to learn how to train at the utmost efficiency. People are mostly 'not that into it' and are not dedicated like the regulars here and are not passionate enough to learn the core ideas of training. They would rather just spend $100 bux, pop in a DVD, and call it a workout. As long as it works, not everyone needs to know why it works.

I think what the regulars on here are frustrated (?) about is the innate inclusion of this program with all the other BS infomercials that scam people daily. TBH, I spent a good couple years learning all the training ideas on this forum, and I think p90x encompasses many of these ideas. Not all the core ideas are there, and it definitely does not impose anything groundbreaking, but what's presented should and would get a regular coach potato off their feet.

I'm not taking sides here, I just think both parties of this discussion should be a little more open minded (and less confrontational).


I just glanced through all the videos today, and probably going to incorporate some of the cardio and yoga etc into my off days. I'm bored of lifting heavy weights, just need something a little different.
 
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