Pirates

[Little Wing]

some would want a Sexually "DANGEROUS MAN", that is, knowledgeable, able, active, strong, forthright, "cunning", maybe even a little "abusive" in a Sexual way (NOT truly ABUSIVE), caring, not "predictable", certainly KNOWS about foreplay, communicative (with or without words), etc.

 

[maniclion]

I wonder if pirates were as cool as the ones we have today?

 

[Little Wing]

my pirate shivers me timbers.

 

[John H.]

Hi Rock,

"For SURE"!!!!

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

Hi Rock,

"For SURE"!!!! (I tried to put a smiley on this but the computer or the site would not let me... Now what have I "done"?) (something about 5 seconds?)

Take Care, John H.

 

[Voltimus]

Hey John,
I've been gone awhile, sorry.

It seems like you have a little battle going on with the "religious zealots",
as you so succinctly put it?
Didja ever consider that maybe religion ain't the problem, and that maybe you're using perceived "zeal" as a way to focus attention off of the real pertinent discussion at hand?
I must admit, Bio-Chem, you keep falling for his bait. He runs you into a religious debate instead of straightforward answers and you end up trying to define the boundaries of your religion, to defend it.

I was wondering, John, where were you stationed during your military career?
I was stationed in NAS Oceana, Virginia, right by the beach. I used to surf there everyday around 3:00 P.M. in the summer. Great Time.

The pirate discussion is interesting, I'm sure a little homosexuality occured every now and then. I think it stemmed more from lack of options than anything else.

Anyway, gotta go.
Later John, try to play nice.
Bio-chem, don't debate your religion, it's something he uses to distract you.

P.S. That "Slobby me Knobby or walk the plank" line is great, I think I'll use it on the Wife. Then I'll keep jabbing her in the back with my pork sword like I'm trying to make her walk the plank, and everytime I jab her I'll go "Argh, what a saucy lass"

 

[John H.]

Hey John,
I've been gone awhile, sorry.

It seems like you have a little battle going on with the "religious zealots",
as you so succinctly put it?
Didja ever consider that maybe religion ain't the problem, and that maybe you're using perceived "zeal" as a way to focus attention off of the real pertinent discussion at hand?
I must admit, Bio-Chem, you keep falling for his bait. He runs you into a religious debate instead of straightforward answers and you end up trying to define the boundaries of your religion, to defend it.

I was wondering, John, where were you stationed during your military career?
I was stationed in NAS Oceana, Virginia, right by the beach. I used to surf there everyday around 3:00 P.M. in the summer. Great Time.

The pirate discussion is interesting, I'm sure a little homosexuality occured every now and then. I think it stemmed more from lack of options than anything else.

Anyway, gotta go.
Later John, try to play nice.
Bio-chem, don't debate your religion, it's something he uses to distract you.

P.S. That "Slobby me Knobby or walk the plank" line is great, I think I'll use it on the Wife. Then I'll keep jabbing her in the back with my pork sword like I'm trying to make her walk the plank, and everytime I jab her I'll go "Argh, what a saucy lass"

Hi Voltimus,

It is NOT my intention to have a "battle" with anyone. I come here is discuss subjects with what I hope are mature adults who can and will discuss anything in a reasonable manner. Here's the thing I am wondering after seeing some of the replies I get from some: JUST WHEN DO YOU PLAN ON BECOMING AN ADULT WHO IS MATURE? because the answers I get from some sure indicate to me they can not DISCUSS much of anything IN A MATURE ADULT MANNER. And ANY subject should be able to be discussed - and in a constructive manner as well. So far it would seem to me that it IS the "religious zealots" who can NOT discuss much of anything other than what is in their "closed world" THEY CREATE and surround themselves with.

HELL, there IS A WHOLE WORLD FULL OF INFORMATION from ALL sources and ALL ASPECTS - why would someone LIMIT themselves to ONLY ONE SOURCE? Certain God NEVER INTENDED THAT.

Don't get me wrong. There ARE "religious ZEALOTS" and "religious zealots" - people WHO ARE VERY HONEST, ACCURATE, SINCERE, TRUTHFUL, etc. about their beliefs and ARE VERY HELPFUL AND DO DO what Christ we are told actually wanted people TO DO. May just SAY they "are" but really ARE NOT "christian" - they are very much like the politicians they make themselves to be. They "jump on the bandwagon" and hide among the truly religious and caring people. And people who DO follow the REAL God.

I am not trying to "bait" anyone. I post a thread with a subject to DISCUSS that subject in all its aspects as an adult who is mature and expect the same from others who reply to it. How else does anyone learn anything? "Hiding" it is not going to "make it go away" or to "UNDERSTAND" the subject pretend it does not exist because someone "does not 'like' it"... A mature adult should be able to DISCUSS as a MATURE ADULT any subject. ANYTIME. And CONstructively. I don't mind true joking about anything but there are those that come here to damn, promote hatred and bigotry, etc. and nothing more.

One of the things that surprises me is how the "religious types" get so upset when I state something that IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE about their "religion". CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM which is what I am displaying can actually HELP someone who "believes" in a certain "religion" - if that "religion" IS guilty of something than to CORRECT THAT and never have that problem again hopefully you would WANT HONEST CRITICISM and then SEE IT and CORRECT IT. And "religion" which IS MAN-MADE is ONLY AS GOOD OR AS BAD as the people who subscribe to it. I like and believe in considering ALL information from ALL sources ALL the time OBJECTIVELY. Without preconceived notions, bias, etc. How else DOES anyone GET to the REAL TRUTH about anything? How else does a person TRULY LEARN anything?

As to my military service, for security reasons, I can not say anything - TRUTHFULLY. And for good reasons and requirements. You will just have to trust me on that. I can tell you I have been at GMS DAM NECK but am not allowed to discuss that any further. Even today. I have been in war and fought hand-to-hand and KNOW it - Sniper Recon.... I know well about NAS Oceana and Norfolk, etc. Have been there too. Et cetera.

The surf IS fine although not like that in California or Hawaii or some places in the South Pacific - but certainly is fun! And you can meet some interesting people...

As to Pirates: from what I have read (I am not a Pirate but would like to have been for sure) there were MEN - REAL MEN - who DID find that even Sexual relations with each other WAS VERY IMPORTANT, NECESSARY, MEANINGFUL, TRUTHFUL, etc. That there were no females is NOT the only reason and actually NO females was actually PLANNED because it was thought FEMALES WERE the cause of a lot of "unrest" among the Men - and even bad luck - and I mean in a truly dangerous sense (life-threatening) so the LACK of females WAS INTENDED actually. Not always but most of the time. The Pirates found they really did not "need" them in all honesty. There were probably a lot of "definitions" to "shiver me timbers"... I imagine a lot of REAL MEN "shook" too after "an episode with another Man WHO WAS REAL in the TRUEST sense.

Take Care, John H.

 

[Voltimus]

Hey John,
You've proven my point.
With the phrase:
One of the things that surprises me is how the "religious types" get so upset when I state something that IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE about their "religion". CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM which is what I am displaying can actually HELP someone who "believes" in a certain "religion".

Religion isn't something that needs "constructive criticism". It is what it is.
Your phrase screams out for a rebuttal, that's "baiting".

As for your military obligation to keep silent. That pertains to missions, John. Not where you were stationed. I know, I signed the paper, too. There are no Top Secret military installations in America. Have you ever spent any time around Coronado, Calif.? How about Pensacola, Fla.? I had to eat an armadillo there once, It wasn't till after I ate it, that I found out you can get Leprosy from them. I watched for grey spots for a year, lol. What year were you hangin' around Virginia, by the way?

I have a question, what is your definition of a REAL MAN? I see you use the term alot, and, I'm just curious what you're referring to.

Why do you think people are replying to you in an immature manner? I would say some people are just taking a different stance than you are concerning some of your threads. That's not wrong, is it?

Well, take care, John.

 

[John H.]

Hey John,
You've proven my point.
With the phrase:
One of the things that surprises me is how the "religious types" get so upset when I state something that IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE about their "religion". CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM which is what I am displaying can actually HELP someone who "believes" in a certain "religion".

Religion isn't something that needs "constructive criticism". It is what it is.
Your phrase screams out for a rebuttal, that's "baiting".

As for your military obligation to keep silent. That pertains to missions, John. Not where you were stationed. I know, I signed the paper, too. There are no Top Secret military installations in America. Have you ever spent any time around Coronado, Calif.? How about Pensacola, Fla.? I had to eat an armadillo there once, It wasn't till after I ate it, that I found out you can get Leprosy from them. I watched for grey spots for a year, lol. What year were you hangin' around Virginia, by the way?

I have a question, what is your definition of a REAL MAN? I see you use the term alot, and, I'm just curious what you're referring to.

Why do you think people are replying to you in an immature manner? I would say some people are just taking a different stance than you are concerning some of your threads. That's not wrong, is it?

Well, take care, John.

Hi Voltimus,

ANYONE and ANYTHING should be able to receive CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM especially if what is said IS TRUE about it or them. That IS how wrong is made right. Who points it out does not matter. That it IS pointed out and then CORRECTED is what matters. And looking at ALL things from ALL sides OBJECTIVELY is never wrong and is the ONLY way to get to the accurate truth about any subject.

My discussion are never intended to "bait" anyone. If a person can not constructive criticize or ask questions then how is any wrong or inaccuracy brought to light and corrected?

As for the military - do YOU KNOW everything about it? I stand by what I said. I have nothing to "hide" but I KNOW what I am "allowed to say or not" and why. If you chose to not believe me that is entirely up to you. I stand by what I have said. Have I been in California, yes. Nevada, yes. Washington state, yes. Arizona, yes. Virginia, yes. Philippines, yes. Quam, yes. Japan, yes. Korea, yes. Vietnam, yes. Hong Kong, yes. Etc. Am I at liberty to tell you why, no. I am not. And can not. And so will not. I know why. You wil just have to accept that - or not. But I do know what I have done and why and for whom and what.

A real man is one that is complete as possible mentally, physically, etc. Objective. Willing to learn anything about anything. Constuctive, helpful, knowledgeable, many many things actually.

The manner and tone and words used indicate whether a person is mature or not - how they discuss - or even if they discuss - as a person and human being, their terminology utilized, etc. Disagreeing with someone is fine but there is a right way and a wrong way to do that. I like to do things in a constructive manner for the benefit of all people including myself. I do not like being confrontational - it usually means someone has something to hide or they really do not know what they are talking about in all honesty...

Do you know what GMS DAM NECK is? And where?

Take Care, John H.

 

[bio-chem]

john in this last post i saw you contradict yourself 3 times. do you even realize you do this? or is this part of the schizo thing?

 

[Voltimus]

Hey John,

I see you're upset about the military questions, I never implied you had anything to "hide". I think you're getting a little defensive. I asked you where you had been, and explained to you that the Security clearance laws do not cover what base you were stationed at. I was apparently wrong, you might've signed a "special" security clearance law that applies to you.
Do I know what Dam Neck is? No, but we had a few MK-V's stashed there, and I got a ticket once for racing down that long stretch of highway just outside of it. Did you ever get to ride on one of those cool hover crafts? I always wondered what those would be like.

The "constructive criticism" line is a prime example of how you misrepresent yourself. When you "constructively criticize" something, you're offering an opinion of what you believe would make something better. What you're describing falls more into the category of "constructive correction". Because, you stated, that you were making things "right". I don't know if this is what you are actually trying to state, if it is then that makes your side of this conversation easier to understand. Is this the point you are trying to make, John?

I understand what you mean about manner and tone, in the terms of maturity. But, misinterpretation is possible on everyone's part and human communication is like everything else, it depends on the state of your tools. Do you have an adequate understanding of language to convey your ideas? If not this could make a person seem immature even though they are not.

Some people find ideas completely outrageous that you see as merely "variations", this is not the fault of religion or society, and I applaud your forward thinking. In the end a line has to be drawn though, otherwise we forsake a sense of structure.

I don't say these things in jest, John, but, you can't expect to get on a soapbox and presume to know the rights and wrongs of the world and then exclude a facet of that world by stating, in not so many words, that they're ignorant to their own religions.

That's arrogance.

And since you are a mature real man, I know you can accept parts of this post for what they are....
"constructive criticism"

Later John.

 

[John H.]

Hey John,

I see you're upset about the military questions, I never implied you had anything to "hide". I think you're getting a little defensive. I asked you where you had been, and explained to you that the Security clearance laws do not cover what base you were stationed at. I was apparently wrong, you might've signed a "special" security clearance law that applies to you.
Do I know what Dam Neck is? No, but we had a few MK-V's stashed there, and I got a ticket once for racing down that long stretch of highway just outside of it. Did you ever get to ride on one of those cool hover crafts? I always wondered what those would be like.

The "constructive criticism" line is a prime example of how you misrepresent yourself. When you "constructively criticize" something, you're offering an opinion of what you believe would make something better. What you're describing falls more into the category of "constructive correction". Because, you stated, that you were making things "right". I don't know if this is what you are actually trying to state, if it is then that makes your side of this conversation easier to understand. Is this the point you are trying to make, John?

I understand what you mean about manner and tone, in the terms of maturity. But, misinterpretation is possible on everyone's part and human communication is like everything else, it depends on the state of your tools. Do you have an adequate understanding of language to convey your ideas? If not this could make a person seem immature even though they are not.

Some people find ideas completely outrageous that you see as merely "variations", this is not the fault of religion or society, and I applaud your forward thinking. In the end a line has to be drawn though, otherwise we forsake a sense of structure.

I don't say these things in jest, John, but, you can't expect to get on a soapbox and presume to know the rights and wrongs of the world and then exclude a facet of that world by stating, in not so many words, that they're ignorant to their own religions.

That's arrogance.

And since you are a mature real man, I know you can accept parts of this post for what they are....
"constructive criticism"

Later John.

Hi Volt,

EXTREMELY WELL SAID AND SAID BY A REAL MAN!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!

I want to say more about this but I can not right now because I am running out of time real fast - I'll get back to you on this - I do not want to answer you without doing that completely.

I will say immedialtely I AM NOT trying to be "arrogant" at all. And really do not want to be perceived that way - certainly it is NOT my intention.

DAM NECK is a guided missiles school (GMS). Or at least it was when I was there. AND other things too.

I have got to go - for now.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY - I WILL get back to you on this.

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

Hey John,

I see you're upset about the military questions, I never implied you had anything to "hide". I think you're getting a little defensive. I asked you where you had been, and explained to you that the Security clearance laws do not cover what base you were stationed at. I was apparently wrong, you might've signed a "special" security clearance law that applies to you.
Do I know what Dam Neck is? No, but we had a few MK-V's stashed there, and I got a ticket once for racing down that long stretch of highway just outside of it. Did you ever get to ride on one of those cool hover crafts? I always wondered what those would be like.

The "constructive criticism" line is a prime example of how you misrepresent yourself. When you "constructively criticize" something, you're offering an opinion of what you believe would make something better. What you're describing falls more into the category of "constructive correction". Because, you stated, that you were making things "right". I don't know if this is what you are actually trying to state, if it is then that makes your side of this conversation easier to understand. Is this the point you are trying to make, John?

I understand what you mean about manner and tone, in the terms of maturity. But, misinterpretation is possible on everyone's part and human communication is like everything else, it depends on the state of your tools. Do you have an adequate understanding of language to convey your ideas? If not this could make a person seem immature even though they are not.

Some people find ideas completely outrageous that you see as merely "variations", this is not the fault of religion or society, and I applaud your forward thinking. In the end a line has to be drawn though, otherwise we forsake a sense of structure.

I don't say these things in jest, John, but, you can't expect to get on a soapbox and presume to know the rights and wrongs of the world and then exclude a facet of that world by stating, in not so many words, that they're ignorant to their own religions.

That's arrogance.

And since you are a mature real man, I know you can accept parts of this post for what they are....
"constructive criticism"

Later John.

Hi Volt,

I was wondering about your statements and if they were questioning and how...

I can not say very much at all as to where and what I have done. For good reasons and requirements. You will have to trust me on that - I am being very truthful.

As for GMS DAM NECK, yes, that road leading to the entrance IS a speed trap and I guess always has been. I too have been "trapped" more than once actually. You'd think I would catch on... People coming and going are either real close to being "late" in the morning and in a real big hurry to get out of there at the end of their day. So it becomes a race track bigtime. The police LOVE to sit here and watch for whoever - it is a game I guess. And a money maker. The locals do not like military people generally - in fact I heard that during World War II the Norfolk and Virginia Beach area had signs on lawns "Sailors and dogs keep out". I remember while there I did realize the locals are not "happy" with anyone connected with the military no matter which branch. I suppose this happens in a lot of places. The local economy really is tied to the military though whether they will admit it or not. Sure Virginia Beach has a beach people other than the military like to visit and brings in some pretty big bucks but the military is there all year long. It is not seasonal. The police at least in Virginia Beach always go with the locals first and foremost. The Virginia Beach area was not one of my favorite assignments so I was really glad I was not there all that long. There are other assignments and areas I like much better. California is one I like. Overseas there are others.

As to any criticism of anything on my part - it is meant always to be constructive and I always hope it brings correction to a problem that I see does exist. I never want people to think I am "perfect" or "mistakeless" in any way. Like all human beings, I make mine as well. But I try to do my best. And I always welcome constructive criticism. Sometimes we all need to be "hit up side the head" as it were - no one is perfect.

"Seeing things right" - everyone has their personal viewpoint on anything. I try to stick to the facts that are accurate, honest, etc. from all sides of a subject objectively. Without any preconceived notions, biases, etc. When I have something to say about anything I have done research into it first and look at it closely and then make a determination and if warranted make any comments I have about it. And I do listen to all sides whether I personally agree or not. I really try real hard to always see what the other viewpoint is and where it is coming from and why. I really want to "size things up" and "see where someone is really coming from and why". You could even call it a "survival mechanism". This or any forum like it is somewhat difficult because when speaking to someone through this type communication does not always reflect accurately how a person is actually "speaking" AND/OR someone that is reading what is written may not understand that communication as it is intended. Speaking to people face to face one on one so each can see a person and see their body language, etc. is the very best way. And still not always perfect. But certainly better.

"Sense of structure" - to be sure it is different with each person as each person is an individual - varied. But a lot of that comes from what, how, method, etc. of learning whether directly or indirectly - the sum of each person's living and how they do and did that and what they learned and how and from who and the real purposes behind it all. "Structure" is basically but not entirely developed from what we learn and how and from who. Some things are within us as born. A lot is subsequent to our birth. And that period is where we develop as individuals. Too many though are not the individuals they were born to be but end up - by their own design - just accepting whatever is thrown their way as long as it "sounds ok".... I look at everything objectively as possible all the time from all sources. This may sound complicated but really is not. I try to develop a sense that is honest and accurate and complete about all things from all sides of it.

"Religion" - that is a big subject and one that has BECOME very complicated and does not have to be at all. In fact I feel "religion" is not "supposed to be complicated or complicating". I think people tend to "create" things that are not or are not actually real usually for self-fulfillment, gratification, peace, etc. HOW we treat others is probably one of the CARDINAL things many completely ignore yet SAY they are so "religious". You see it all the time with those I identify as "zealots" who are "religious" (by THEIR definition). And you see people wave their own "flag" a lot in an effort to have others "think" they are so "christian" for example. This turns me off bigtime. Same as a "flag waver". To me people who actually DO never have to "wave" or "boast" about - their actions do their "speaking". And for those that LOVE to damn others for whatever reason I feel actually have no right as they themselves are more often than not not even close to "being perfect" themselves and their criticisms are only really based on their "personal beliefs" or "beliefs of their 'religion'" which always vary from person to person and religion to religion. There are many many people and there are just as many "religions". And far from God/Christ. There is often a HUGE VOID between the two. What is IN a person's heart and soul and how they treat ALL others is what is most important. And how they lead their lives throughout their lives. NOT what "religion" they belong to...

I think most of us need from time to time to get "rewired" as we tend to "blow our own circuits"... Sometimes to be brought to reality we need to get our asses kicked from time to time because we become complacent and "lose sight of..."

Honestly, you are a tremendous person to "speak to and with". I wish I could say more with regard to some of the things I am not allowed (in all reality and sincereity).

TDGC, John H.