Probably my last REAL cycle....going loud!!

[VictorZ06]

The cycle looks crazy fun. Im 44 and now do TRT with a cycle here and there a year. What I would like to see is a day of your eating. Not so much ounces of this or that. Just a steak, sweet potatoe, rice etc etc for this meal shake with that meal. Ive been looking and reading people cycles for so long its a nice change to see how they eat. I eat beef once a week usually on Saturdays when Im able to grill them outside over oak wood or hickory other than that I eat fish and chicken all week. Thanks and good luck with this

Because I have soooo many food allergies, my meals are more or less the same. I eat 5-6 meals a day and aim for about 7k calories a day and about 400-500gr of protein a day. A meal might consist of two veal rib chops, side of corn, side of mashed potatoes, and a good size vanilla milkshake. That could be breakfast or dinner. Other times it might be 3 lamb racks or 2 good size rare rib eyes or maybe 3 chicken breasts....breaded and baked. Might use string beans instead of corn in....or fries instead of mashed. Ill have a couple cans of tuna from time to time. Each meal will have a large piece of protein. I will also eat a whole medium size of Hsggen Daz ice cream with some bananas.


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[theCaptn']

Most think estro is the devil and you need to kill it all. FAULSE!! You need SOME estro in your body for it to run right. With that said, I don't ever run a suicide AI while ON cycle....I use adex. Come PCT time, I switch over to Aromasin. Youvcan askvme whatever you want....there is a reason for everything I do.


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You run PCT?????

 

[theCaptn']

And why no suicidal inhibitor on cycle Vic?

 

[BigJH]

It looks awesome brother. . Good luck Big V..

 

[VictorZ06]

No suicide AI because you need SOME estro to function properly. And yes....I always run PCT. Clomid and Aromasin...as stated in my first post (with continued HGH).



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[theCaptn']

No suicide AI because you need SOME estro to function properly. And yes....I always run PCT. Clomid and Aromasin...as stated in my first post (with continued HGH).



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So even a low dose 12.5mg ED or EOd is going to destroy estro?

 

[VictorZ06]

More so than adex, most certainly. A SAI works best for PCT...or so my experiences and studies I have read have dictated to me. Lots of guys think they have to get rid of ALL estrogen....this is false.


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So even a low dose 12.5mg ED or EOd is going to destroy estro?

 

[Stickmancqb]

More so than adex, most certainly. A SAI works best for PCT...or so my experiences and studies I have read have dictated to me. Lots of guys think they have to get rid of ALL estrogen....this is false.


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If I kill my estrogen, my back and every joint in my body hurts. I like to keep mine around 50 and that's a little higher but it's where I feel best.

 

[VictorZ06]

If I kill my estrogen, my back and every joint in my body hurts. I like to keep mine around 50 and that's a little higher but it's where I feel best.

There ya go...it just goes to show that a little estro is needed for our bodies to function properly. Only during PCT do we really want to use a suicide AI. Not to say you can't use aromasin during your cycle, I just much prefer adex and about 3gr of vitamin C.



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[Roughneck_91]

There ya go...it just goes to show that a little estro is needed for our bodies to function properly. Only during PCT do we really want to use a suicide AI. Not to say you can't use aromasin during your cycle, I just much prefer adex and about 3gr of vitamin C.



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Agreed. I've used Adex in the past, but I could never find a sweet spot for dose or frequency. I think I might be sensitive to estro rebound, so this time I'm experimenting with low dose Aro.

I started with 12.5mg/ed and I could feel a little elbow-soreness setting in after 3 days, so I backed off a bit to 3 ius (~7mg/day) and I feel top notch. Sometimes ya got to find out what works best for you.

But whats the Vitamin C about? I've always taken 2-3g for antioxidant and immune support, but does this exhibit anti-estrogenic characteristics as well?

BTW, this thread and those like it are what makes this board great.

 

[VictorZ06]

A high dose of vitamin C can act like a natural AI...3gr ED is sufficient. Any more and it's more or less a waste. I can't find the study on it, Heavy might have it if you shoot him a PM. Oh....and I thank you for the kind words, brother.



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Agreed. I've used Adex in the past, but I could never find a sweet spot for dose or frequency. I think I might be sensitive to estro rebound, so this time I'm experimenting with low dose Aro.

I started with 12.5mg/ed and I could feel a little elbow-soreness setting in after 3 days, so I backed off a bit to 3 ius (~7mg/day) and I feel top notch. Sometimes ya got to find out what works best for you.

But whats the Vitamin C about? I've always taken 2-3g for antioxidant and immune support, but does this exhibit anti-estrogenic characteristics as well?

BTW, this thread and those like it are what makes this board great.

 

[rambo99]

Subbed.

 

[VictorZ06]

So far so good!! I'm loaded with energy and can only sleep for about 4 hours a day. I tossed some GHRP-6 into the mix, just to help stimulate a stronger appetite. I'm also using those protein tubes with 42g (think it's 42) of protein in them. Doing ok with the bump in my GH dose...I can still get a decent grip around the bar. I am retaining a little extra water...but that is expected with the NPP, higher GH dose, along with the drol. Adex and proviron are helping me keep it to a minimum. I get a little shaky in my hands from time to time....bu that's nothing new. So...all is going according to plan. Gonna hit the tanning bed tmro...than I'll be ready to do my beach thing! Can't wait!



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[Roughneck_91]

Awesome bro, keep us updated.

Is it that you're tossing and turning and only getting 4hrs? or are you sleeping 4hrs but it feels like 8hrs rest?

BTW, you were right about Proviron I was in such a good mood with just 50mgs. I couldn't stop smiling! Gonna go for 100mg.

 

[VictorZ06]

I never slept more than 6 hrs unless I was drunk from the night before in collage. I don't really drink now. But yea, 4 hrs. sleep than my day starts. So I don't hit the sack till about 3am. And I take a shit load of pain killers for my spine....you would think that would help me sleep more. Nope....even with the help of Rozerem. SUCKS!!



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And yes....you will be much happier with 100mg of proviron. Just be sure to have someone to poke on! Hey...I'm a poet, and didn't even know it! lol

 

[Roughneck_91]

And yes....you will be much happier with 100mg of proviron. Just be sure to have someone to poke on! Hey...I'm a poet, and didn't even know it! lol

One more skill to the resume...

 

[VictorZ06]

Lol

 

[Standard Donkey]

not trying to be a dick here Victor, but your beliefs on AI's are patently false.

 

[VictorZ06]

And what part of my reasoning do you differ with? 99% of what comes out of my mouth has been confirmed in a study or an article of some sort by a credible author. I am not one to preech "bro-science".



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not trying to be a dick here Victor, but your beliefs on AI's are patently false.

 

[rambo99]

Why no slin?

 

[VictorZ06]

Why no slin?

Didn't need to go that loud....I'm happy with ehere I am for the most part. Besides, being on the job hunt right now and having to time everything properly....I didn't want to mess with it to be honest. I got plenty going on right now. I'm done with slin.


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[Standard Donkey]

And what part of my reasoning do you differ with? 99% of what comes out of my mouth has been confirmed in a study or an article of some sort by a credible author. I am not one to preech "bro-science".



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your post regarding aromasin being a "suicide inhibitor" seems to imply that you believe that it gets rid of any and all aromatase, thus essentially rendering your body free of estrogen.. this is simply not the case, your body is constantly making more aromatase, so the "suicide" aspect of aromasin's inhibition of aromatase is moot. Also, due to aromasin's short active life (relative to adex and letrozole), it should be dosed everyday (and taken with food). Ideally, it should be dosed twice a day. Once every other day is not enough and will result in peaks and valleys in your estrogen levels - not something you want. Finally, all AI's reduce estrogen approximately 50-60%. I know noobs will post studies that say that aromasin reduces estrogen about 80%, and letro up to 99%, but those studies were conducted on post-menopausal women, not men. there really is no way to "crash" or "kill" or "tank" (or any other word that noobs use to describe drastic reduction of estrogen) your estrogen levels by using AI's in the standard doses along standard dosing schedules.

 

[theCaptn']

I've got 12.5mg aromasin - on a low dose cycle it's impractical to dose twice a day.
I can see the advantage of adex with a longer half-life, but there's always that rebound, and, correct me if I'm wrong, but an impact on lipids?

 

[Standard Donkey]

I've got 12.5mg aromasin - on a low dose cycle it's impractical to dose twice a day.
I can see the advantage of adex with a longer half-life, but there's always that rebound, and, correct me if I'm wrong, but an impact on lipids?

aromasin has the least negative impact on lipids. letro has the greatest negative impact IIRC.

 

[VictorZ06]

Donkey....your implications that you said I may have been making are not entirely accurate. Aromasin does kill more estro than adex does, and your body does need some estro to function properly. That was my primary point and my point here is accurate. And yes, some studies will show that aromasin and letro CAN kill up to 99% of the estro in your body. And I have read a study and I did post it here at one point where it specifically states that the ideal combo is to use adex while on cycle, and aromasin for PCT.

With that said, I think it's unfair to say my views on AI's are "patently false". If you would like, I can spend some time and try and dig up these studies and the thread of which I spoke of. I don't think we have that great of a difference of opinion, but if you want to read the studies and thread yourself...I will do my best to find them. And the studies/articles were about men and AAS....not post-menopausal women.


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[Standard Donkey]

Donkey....your implications that you said I may have been making are not entirely accurate. Aromasin does kill more estro than adex does, and your body does need some estro to function properly. That was my primary point and my point here is accurate. And yes, some studies will show that aromasin and letro CAN kill up to 99% of the estro in your body. And I have read a study and I did post it here at one point where it specifically states that the ideal combo is to use adex while on cycle, and aromasin for PCT.

With that said, I think it's unfair to say my views on AI's are "patently false". If you would like, I can spend some time and try and dig up these studies and the thread of which I spoke of. I don't think we have that great of a difference of opinion, but if you want to read the studies and thread yourself...I will do my best to find them. And the studies/articles were about men and AAS....not post-menopausal women.


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right, aromasin does reduce estrogen slightly more than adex. like I said, all three (adex, aromasin, and letro) reduce estrogen between 50-60%. and no, neither letro nor aromasin reduce estrogen up to or even close to 99% in males. Any article you may find that claims they do are simply parroting the same broscience that was taken from that study on women. of course your body needs some estrogen to function properly... but my point was, there's really no AI that can reduce estrogen completely.. if you have free time on your hands, and feel compelled to do so, feel free to post the studies that you were referring to.

 

[Mudge]

Looks like a real beast of a cycle! I'm a year older, and my back, neck (rear, slipped discs), and right shoulder all warn me from time to time so I tend to take it easy these days. More volume, lighter weights, more careful with my movements (what I do and how I do them).

 

[Ls61973]

How long has it been since last cycle?

 

[VictorZ06]

About 10 months or so....I got to cut back on the weight I'm lifting....my back is starting to hurt. I've been slowly adding plates, but I need to stop where I'm at. That drol keeps telling me I can/should add more...but my damn back does not agree.




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[stillatit]

Lighten it up big man, you know it,save that back .... rep it till the pump fkg hurtz