Pull ups for lat development

[PushAndPull]

I am natural and I already explained what I do in the above post.

Being natural doesn't mean you cant train intensely. Stop making excuses! Yes, steroids do help a lot, but that doesn't mean a natural cant make good, consistent progress.

And about the squat comment "hope you have some fantastic gear," I am not far away from that goal lol. I predict that I will be able to reach it within the next 3-4 years. Nothing is impossible if you believe in yourself and are willing to work hard enough to achieve your goal. I will post the video on youtube to show you guys when I reach my goal.

The only thing I know for sure about you is that you're a spamming peice of shit and that's all I need to know. So fuck you, fuck your advice, and fuck your board.

 

[ramboris]

The only thing I know for sure about you is that you're a spamming peice of shit and that's all I need to know. So fuck you, fuck your advice, and fuck your board.

Its funny now that I made you look stupid your changing the subject in order to make me look bad. I love trolls such as yourself, you make this forum more interesting.

I'm here to talk training, but judging from your posts, your here to troll around. If you got nothing smart to say don't say anything at all.

 

[PushAndPull]

Its funny now that I made you look stupid your changing the subject in order to make me look bad. I love trolls such as yourself, you make this forum more interesting.

I'm here to talk training, but judging from your posts, your here to troll around. If you got nothing smart to say don't say anything at all.

You're a spamming piece of shit, period. The only reason you're here is to try and recruit people to your board. You're not here to help anyone but yourself. Simply put, you're a greedy piece of shit that should die.

 

[jmorrison]

It feels so wrong to disagree with Built on anything. I feel dirty now.

Set me straight Built, but isn't a kipping pullup just cheating and opening yourself up to potential injury with jerky motions? The only value I can see in them is maybe if you are trying to reach muscular failure on a set of pullups and use them when you cant do any more?

(waits for lightning to strike)

 

[ceazur]

It feels so wrong to disagree with Built on anything. I feel dirty now.

Set me straight Built, but isn't a kipping pullup just cheating and opening yourself up to potential injury with jerky motions? The only value I can see in them is maybe if you are trying to reach muscular failure on a set of pullups and use them when you cant do any more?

(waits for lightning to strike)

That's the only reason I use them..

 

[stepaukas]

this forum is supose to be an open forum to help each one of us reach our athletic goals.. re: the kipping pullup.. before anyone else says these are "cheating", do research on this exercise.. you'll see how they are superior to the deadhangs.
"cheating", per who????? people that say these are cheating know nothing about them..
dont just go to a crossfit board to research.. these exercises have been around 100's of years. they are not a new fad..
its always best to listen, before speaking. try to pick up knowledge before bashing it. thats why you have two ears and one mouth.
step back, look at the movement, reaseach the movement, and maybe you'll find some not ordinary everyday in gym movements are better..

 

[PushAndPull]

How are kipping pull ups better than dead hangs for building your lats?

 

[KelJu]

The only thing I know for sure about you is that you're a spamming peice of shit and that's all I need to know. So fuck you, fuck your advice, and fuck your board.

You see, you are starting to fit in with our board a lot better now. At first I thought you were going to be one of those easily offended pricks, but you made the transition nicely.

Well done!

 

[KelJu]

I am natural and I already explained what I do in the above post.

Being natural doesn't mean you cant train intensely. Stop making excuses! Yes, steroids do help a lot, but that doesn't mean a natural cant make good, consistent progress.

And about the squat comment "hope you have some fantastic gear," I am not far away from that goal lol. I predict that I will be able to reach it within the next 3-4 years. Nothing is impossible if you believe in yourself and are willing to work hard enough to achieve your goal. I will post the video on youtube to show you guys when I reach my goal.

You are obviously lying through your teeth. By the way, where are those phone numbers you spoke of. I am still waiting you lying piece of shit.

 

[PushAndPull]

You see, you are starting to fit in with our board a lot better now. At first I thought you were going to be one of those easily offended pricks, but you made the transition nicely.

Well done!

Well don't get to friendly, i'm still a prick

 

[FMJ]

 

[Zaphod]

Egads! Went and did back today and gave the negatives a whirl for getting started in the land of pull-ups. Felt muscles working that I haven't felt working in a long time. Barely managed a full three sets of five negatives. That was hard stuff!

 

[PushAndPull]

Egads! Went and did back today and gave the negatives a whirl for getting started in the land of pull-ups. Felt muscles working that I haven't felt working in a long time. Barely managed a full three sets of five negatives. That was hard stuff!

Good work. Pull ups are a hard exercise and take some time to get good at, so have patience and keep at them. In the end you won't be disappointed in the results from your hard work.

 

[KelJu]

Egads! Went and did back today and gave the negatives a whirl for getting started in the land of pull-ups. Felt muscles working that I haven't felt working in a long time. Barely managed a full three sets of five negatives. That was hard stuff!

Damn you, I came here to post this. Yeah, I did 4 sets of nurtal grip pullups with 5-6 second negatives.

My back is sore as shit today, and my back hasn't; been sore since after my first workout after coming back.

 

[PushAndPull]

Damn you, I came here to post this. Yeah, I did 4 sets of nurtal grip pullups with 5-6 second negatives.

My back is sore as shit today, and my back hasn't; been sore since after my first workout after coming back.

Good work. Pull ups are a hard exercise and take some time to get good at, so have patience and keep at them. In the end you won't be disappointed in the results from your hard work.

 

[jmorrison]

When I kicked off last year I couldnt do 1 good pullup. Not 1. Had to do all negatives and a chair to help me out. I am still not a pullup machine, but I can do more than a few now!

 

[ceazur]

I am trying to knock out 25 dead hangs before I kick off to boot camp in September. Im at like 15. I went from 5 - 13 fast, doing sets every day. Then SOMEONE told me incorporate them into my weekly back and bi routine so i didn't overtrain. Well I did and I am only at 15 now. I am starting to do them every other day ,and push ups and dips every other day. I can already feel im going to advance quicker again this way.

 

[Merkaba]

merkaba
your quote here i have to disagree with.

"Again, the latest fad, like kettlebells...with so many people not really knowing what they are even trying to accomplish".

fad????they have been around 200 years .. i have been using them since 1960.. as long as you have proper guidance, this training is great.
sure , you wont see them at most gyms, but they will be in any hardcore gym that has been aroung for years, and i know they are in every gymnastic gym.
all the little outside the box training ways really help the traditional ways. trouble is most people knock this type of training before they every try it.
i started with wooden dumbells and kettlebells, and slowly over the years worked up in weight.
to each their own i guess..

I'm not knocking the exercise itself. My point is that it's CURRENTLY a fad. Like in my rinky dink gym I was THE ONLY person doing front squats a year ago. Now noone has gotten a trainer, yet everyone wants to try them. I saw a 50 year old couple trying to do zerchers for christ sake. And I've never seen this couple trying them until today. People go read a mag or some shit and think they know what they're doing. It's the curious side of the human nature to some degree I suppose. Curiosity killed the cat, and caused George to piss me off everytime I watched his dumb ass too! ...But I digress...

My gym didn't have kettles a year ago. Now they have the color coded ones with the nice rubber coated and padded handles, laying around like loaded lawsuit bombs. That's part of my point. Now folks are in there trying to herniate a disk or blow a rotator cuff just because its the "IN" thing to do. The "trainer" has new folks doing them and he doesn't even know what he's doing. I have seen NOONE and I repeat NOONE use them yet with proper form, spinal consideration or "cadence" if you will, speed and tempo, to this day. Not in any of my gyms.

 

[Zaphod]

Damn you, I came here to post this. Yeah, I did 4 sets of nurtal grip pullups with 5-6 second negatives.

My back is sore as shit today, and my back hasn't; been sore since after my first workout after coming back.

The hardest part, I think, was feeling a bit like a doofus using a stool to get up over the bar. Mostly because it's not a typical thing to see where I go.

 

[dippa66]

Hey B56, to answer the question that you actually asked, the reason why pull-ups are good, better or best for your lats (see above argument) is because your latissimus dorsi is attached to you humerus and pulling your arms down, or pulling your weight up, is basically what it was designed for.

The best training tip - get an anatomy book and read up on how each muscle works i.e. lats pulling, triceps extend lower arm, biceps flex and rotate forearm etc.

 

[Phineas]

Hey B56, to answer the question that you actually asked, the reason why pull-ups are good, better or best for your lats (see above argument) is because your latissimus dorsi is attached to you humerus and pulling your arms down, or pulling your weight up, is basically what it was designed for.

The best training tip - get an anatomy book and read up on how each muscle works i.e. lats pulling, triceps extend lower arm, biceps flex and rotate forearm etc.

Them be there some fancy words, I reckon, Ma!

 

[ramboris]

You are obviously lying through your teeth. By the way, where are those phone numbers you spoke of. I am still waiting you lying piece of shit.

I have been busy give me a day or two and I will give u everything u need.

 

[Phineas]

I have been busy give me a day or two and I will give u everything u need.

 

[KelJu]

I have been busy give me a day or two and I will give u everything u need.

ROFL, you're funny dude. Retarded...but funny.

 

[Built]

It feels so wrong to disagree with Built on anything. I feel dirty now.

Don't be silly. I have no more of a patent on being right than you are.

Set me straight Built, but isn't a kipping pullup just cheating and opening yourself up to potential injury with jerky motions? The only value I can see in them is maybe if you are trying to reach muscular failure on a set of pullups and use them when you cant do any more?

(waits for lightning to strike)

I'm hesitant to say that kips are superior to chins; I simply don't know enough to address this question. But kipping chins have been used for a long time, as have "strict" chins. The kipping chinup is a dynamic, full-body movement that contributes to the development of power and speed. Strict chins focus more of the force on the lats (and to a substantial degree from abdominal and bicep assistance), and are more of a body-building exercise in the truest sense of that word, in that they are used specifically to produce a stimulus for growth (in the lats).

There are lots of movements that exist as dynamic and strict movements; for example squats and jump squats.

Both types of movements "work". They just don't do the same thing. It would be like comparing a 20 minute walk with a 20 second sprint. Sprinting isn't the cheater version of walking. They're both good, and they both "work".

Good work. Pull ups are a hard exercise and take some time to get good at, so have patience and keep at them. In the end you won't be disappointed in the results from your hard work.

Damn you, I came here to post this. Yeah, I did 4 sets of nurtal grip pullups with 5-6 second negatives.

My back is sore as shit today, and my back hasn't; been sore since after my first workout after coming back.

Isn't it nuts?

When you're strong/light enough to do 'em unassisted, and you want to start loading them with weight, do the same thing. It took me a rather long while to figure this part out - I had a very hard time adding any weight to my unweighted chins, but when I started OVERloading the negatives, I got the same benefit as I did when first learning the unweighted movement.

The hardest part, I think, was feeling a bit like a doofus using a stool to get up over the bar. Mostly because it's not a typical thing to see where I go.

I know, right? The guys I've shown this to all looked embarrassed to be seen struggling with this "pussy" movement. LOL!

 

[Zaphod]

Never really thought of it as a pussy movement. I've always struggled with them. Back in the day, some fifteen years ago, I could manage a few. Then the sticking point was getting what I felt was high enough (chin over the bar without trying to look like ET). Coming out of the bottom from a full stretch hang was the easy part for me. Now all of it's hard and negatives are the starting point.

 

[blergs.]

DB side rasis are also very good for this.

 

[brk_nemesis]

clap pullups anyone?

 

[jmorrison]

There are lots of movements that exist as dynamic and strict movements; for example squats and jump squats.

Both types of movements "work". They just don't do the same thing. It would be like comparing a 20 minute walk with a 20 second sprint. Sprinting isn't the cheater version of walking. They're both good, and they both "work".

And on that note I will add them to my workout and give them a shot. Damn I'm easy.

 

[Built]

I'ma try 'em, too. As I said, I've never tried 'em before, but I'll toss a few in tomorrow just to see how they feel. I'm thinking they'd be a good addition to a session of complexes.