Reason for being "natural"?

[ckcrown84]

Wasn't going to bother dignifying you with a response but:
Please do us all a favor and post a pic of your body and show us what a non newb tall american bad ass like yourself looks like.

Final post. Deuces.

pic proves all you have ever done is bench and curls

typical short noob build


thickness doesnt impress because who couldnt fill out 5 ft 3 frame

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

At 5 ft 3 nothing you do will ever be impressive....unless you can dunk

 

[bjg]

As ckcrown suggested earlier...only time and experience will teach you how to improve and how to train..each person is different and only years of experience will let you learn about your body and how it should be trained.
killerofsaints don't push the 5'3 thing too far...i am barely 5'5 myself and besides the best physiques in the world mostly belong to rather small people.

 

[bigbenj]

LOLZ Napoleon complex^

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

arnold


or


franco.......there you go.......no one gave shit about dwarf bbers until the roided up synthol gut era



they made 202 devision for all the little fuckers

 

[ckcrown84]

As ckcrown suggested earlier...only time and experience will teach you how to improve and how to train..each person is different and only years of experience will let you learn about your body and how it should be trained.
killerofsaints don't push the 5'3 thing too far...i am barely 5'5 myself and besides the best physiques in the world mostly belong to rather small people.

I am like 5'4 - 5'5 somewhere in there
Oh and speaking of bodybuilders:
Bodybuilding.com - Lee Priest Pro Bodybuilding Profile.

 

[KelJu]

People are jumping on you because you are making shit up. There has never been any legitimate research studying the long term effects of anabolic steroids. It doesn't exist. There are short term studies that report what we already know: increased blood pressure, liver toxicity, increased vigor/aggression, ect. However, every one of those side effects can be elevated, and most of the time, negated completely with supplements and a bit of common sense. The closest thing to a long term study deals with corti-steriods which isn't really the same thing.

The taboo nature of anabolic steroids means that no one will be getting grants to study and gauge the long term safety of anabolic steroids for the purposes of enhancing ability. That, in and of itself, is fucking retarded. It is legal to prescribe testosterone for HRT. Someone should be data-mining all of the clinical history for all patients being prescribed HRT, and compiling it for statistical analyses. The data is already there. If HRT continues to be prescribed for another 4 or 5 years, we could then produce actual studies. Until then, this argument is fucking retarded. People claiming steroids are dangerous are full of shit. You don't fucking know.

 

[Merkaba]

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And hell now, I get so many fuckers asking and swearing I've taken something that it's more of a reason not to! I'm getting ready to get a tank top made that says 100% Natural or some shit on it, with a logo I had done up just to silence the minds of those wondering. When i'm in the gym, all I talk about is eating, what I'm gonna eat when i get home...people think I'm joking when I tell them what I eat or how much, and that as far as I'm concerned it's 90% of the equation for someone who is experienced at lifting. They think I'm joking, but meanwhile think I'm "using"...cause i can't be serious. I'm like dude I've been lifting since 7th grade. " I bet you workout everyday don't you.." No... ETC...shit gets old. The meathead assumptions, etc. I tell people look, with what I know(not that I know everything) but if I were on something, oh you wouldn't have to ask bro! I don't come to the gym to sit on a ball or do abs. I'd be blowing some shit out in the rack injuring myself or a bystander I know it. I would love to know how it feels, but hell I'd love to know how heroine feels too!

I just so happened to have come back to this thread and re-read what I wrote...in regards to the boldface...I was mid rep with a full stack on the seated rows and the cable broke/gave at the handle! I flew off the seat, onto the floor bumping my noggin on the floor or the machine behind...it happened so fast I couldn't tell, upon flying backwards my legs came over and hit the seated calve raise which was all of four feet behind me. I went to the hospital just to make sure I didn't have a concussion. I have a bone bruise or fracture on my shin...didn't get it x rayed but it still hurts...from 9 days ago. PUlled/strained some stuff in my back...but I'm alive. There's no t-bar in my gym or any good alternative...don't know if I'll ever do them again! Be careful...shit happens fast and before I could react I was on the floor...you can't fight the laws of physics!

 

[bjg]

People are jumping on you because you are making shit up. There has never been any legitimate research studying the long term effects of anabolic steroids. It doesn't exist. There are short term studies that report what we already know: increased blood pressure, liver toxicity, increased vigor/aggression, ect. However, every one of those side effects can be elevated, and most of the time, negated completely with supplements and a bit of common sense. The closest thing to a long term study deals with corti-steriods which isn't really the same thing.

The taboo nature of anabolic steroids means that no one will be getting grants to study and gauge the long term safety of anabolic steroids for the purposes of enhancing ability. That, in and of itself, is fucking retarded. It is legal to prescribe testosterone for HRT. Someone should be data-mining all of the clinical history for all patients being prescribed HRT, and compiling it for statistical analyses. The data is already there. If HRT continues to be prescribed for another 4 or 5 years, we could then produce actual studies. Until then, this argument is fucking retarded. People claiming steroids are dangerous are full of shit. You don't fucking know.

i have stated this many times that there are very few long term effects studies of steroids on HUMANS because of the nature of the study...no one will do it as simple as that ...why????? because it could be dangerous...just by looking at short term effects is enough to makes you wonder about long term effects..and if there are no long term studies that show the negative side of steroids, there are no long term studies that negate the bad effects of steroids as well ...but by just knowing what steroids are, and some short term effects...long term effects tend to be rather bad...don't you think????? so exactly we don't know but cant we predict????? besides there are many long term effects studies on animals which show pretty nasty effects even chromosomal damage as i posted in many previous threads ...and these are medical research studies so you decide.............

 

[HANDSOME STRANGER]

Isn't it common knowledge that any exogenously administered hormone that is supplementing the bodies own production AND that is taken for a long enough period of time, will cause some sort shutdown? When I say shutdown, I don't mean your nuts either.

Maybe we should ask someone who is on long-term use of corticosteroids

I had to get spinal steroid injection because of a back problem and I can tell you for sure that shit shut me down. I am 31 I have always fucked like a rabbit. After the first shot about a week and a half latter I had ZERO SEX DRIVE MY NUTS SHRUNK . I freaked the fuck out went back to the dr and asked him what the fuck they did to me. He said it was normal for it to shut me down. So I can attest to cortico shutting your natural test down.


I thought this was an area for guys to talk about lifting and shit without the use of aas. But all I see is dumbfucks spewing bullshit about things they have no clue about. If you want to claim being natural. How about some of you natural guys look up the definition of natural. It means no supplementation of anything other than natural products. So if you have ever taken oxy, creatine or anything of that nature I am sorry you are not natural. Actually you can't take anything other than food. So stop with your pompas Ass BS. If a guy wants to take gear who gives a fuck. I think this is the worst damn section on this site... Sorry for the rant but some people need to get real. And roid rage is REAL. AND WEED IS WHAT MAKES BLACKS AND HISPANICS RAPE, PURE INOCENT WHITE WOMEN.

 

[HANDSOME STRANGER]

Just so there is no misunder standing the roid rage and blacks and Hispanics who smoke weed and run around raping white pure women was a joke. My point was just like they used to say about weed how blacks and Mexicans who smoked it went crazy rapingn women. We now know it was bullshit propaganda for the government to tax it. Remember there was a tax card for growing and using weed. Same bs about aas. It is all propaganda. One day the truth will come out. Shit most countries u can go down to the pharmacy and get what u want. But in america you can't even go get real meds to help u when your sick you have to pay some pos dr 300 bucks for a 20 min visit then 10-100 in co pay for you antibiotics.. Anyway my point is made.

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

I am like 5'4 - 5'5 somewhere in there
Oh and speaking of bodybuilders:
Bodybuilding.com - Lee Priest Pro Bodybuilding Profile.

lee is the ONLY short man that could stand with the monsters

 

[HANDSOME STRANGER]

i have stated this many times that there are very few long term effects studies of steroids on HUMANS because of the nature of the study...no one will do it as simple as that ...why????? because it could be dangerous...just by looking at short term effects is enough to makes you wonder about long term effects..and if there are no long term studies that show the negative side of steroids, there are no long term studies that negate the bad effects of steroids as well ...but by just knowing what steroids are, and some short term effects...long term effects tend to be rather bad...don't you think????? so exactly we don't know but cant we predict????? besides there are many long term effects studies on animals which show pretty nasty effects even chromosomal damage as i posted in many previous threads ...and these are medical research studies so you decide.............

BJG ok I want to ask you a ?. When you post your stuff here do you think about what you say before you say it? Or do you just say shit to piss others off. You say they won't do it because it is dangerous, let me ask you about all the other meds they want every person to run to there Dr and see if they have this or that condition. They give you every damn symptom you could ever think of having for every drug the display on tv. Am I the only one who has heard of the side effects from these drugs. If they know the side effects then they have done studies on them. Predicting is like shitting in one hand and wishing in the other and seeing which one fills up first. And your point about studies on animals is totally idiotic. Hey what are the long term effects of driving your car? What are the long term effects of not wearing uv protectant sunglasses. Bro everyone dies at some point in life but your arguments are weightless. And guess what I have never once done a cycle of aas. Or ph. Man do yourself a favor and do some real unbiased research. You like to propagate yourself as this god who has to deal with us feeble little humans. Let's see some pics bro.. Seriously show us what you are working with. Not trying to be a dick just voicing my opinion.

 

[KelJu]

i have stated this many times that there are very few long term effects studies of steroids on HUMANS because of the nature of the study...no one will do it as simple as that ...why????? because it could be dangerous...just by looking at short term effects is enough to makes you wonder about long term effects..and if there are no long term studies that show the negative side of steroids, there are no long term studies that negate the bad effects of steroids as well ...but by just knowing what steroids are, and some short term effects...long term effects tend to be rather bad...don't you think????? so exactly we don't know but cant we predict????? besides there are many long term effects studies on animals which show pretty nasty effects even chromosomal damage as i posted in many previous threads ...and these are medical research studies so you decide.............

For fucks sake. So, you say no one will study steroids because they are dangerous? What is the point of clinical trials if not to determine if a drug is dangerous? You can't say something is dangerous until you prove it. To say that no one will do the test because they already know the answer is a fucktard statement. Billions, that's right, with "B", billions of dollars are spent doing clinical trails and research on drugs that are dangerous. There are hundreds of drugs in your neighborhood pharmacy that are dangerous and will kill you.

The lack of research has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with politics and bias. Neither of the two belong anywhere in science.

 

[NoCode8511]

Rep points for anyone who neg's bjg!!!!

 

[bjg]

no comments ..any comment is such a waste..
anyways i thought this is a natural bodybuilding thread right? if you want to praise steroids then go to the anabolic zone and unload your stupidities there

 

[Diesel618]

Reason for being natural:I'm broke. There is no other acceptable excuse.

 

[bjg]

Reason for being natural:I'm broke. There is no other acceptable excuse.

good you brought this up because not only some here praise steroids and never admit their danger...they even try to have a good price on them which makes them venture into the fake steroids territory which is now even more dangerous.....so in case one wants to go for steroids ..at least don't be cheap about it and check your sources well before getting all excited about a good deal on the price.

 

[KelJu]

good you brought this up because not only some here praise steroids and never admit their danger...

You don't get it. There is a huge difference between saying something can be dangerous, and saying something is dangerous. There is plenty of danger involved in putting chemicals in your body. Ephedrine has killed more people than steroids ever will, and you can still buy it in almost every gas station in America. Just look for Mini Thin. I don't see anybody in the "Natural" training section starting threads about the dangers of OTC stimulants and how anyone dieting who uses them aren't losing "real" fat.

Steroids can be dangerous if a person is lazy and ignorant. Most of the people on this board who choose to use steroids would say there is plenty of danger involved. They might be hesitant at first, because people have to walk a fine line and not give ammunition to morons who have bought into the hype and propaganda of the evils of steroids. That is why users research almost everything they can get their hands on. People spend a lot of time learning how to use them safely.

This is a battle between rational thinking and idiocy. Shit birds come along like you who spread bad information. You could have started a thread about why you are proud of your achievements training naturally without directly insulting the people who have chosen to take their training to the next level. You make a lot of shit up, you lie, and you make assumptions based on nothing.

 

[Diesel618]

good you brought this up because not only some here praise steroids and never admit their danger...they even try to have a good price on them which makes them venture into the fake steroids territory which is now even more dangerous.....so in case one wants to go for steroids ..at least don't be cheap about it and check your sources well before getting all excited about a good deal on the price.

I don't think anyone here is venturing into fake steroids. That is almost as much of a waste as being natural.

 

[Qwai Chang]

You are so right about getting your size back after such a long lay off. I lost interest in training and stopped going to the gym for 12 years until I got a letter about a job offer with the state and that I would have do a PFT course. I cursed myself for not being in shape to complete the PFT. I'm ready for anything now and it only took me one month to reach 215 lb. from 175 lb.!
Natural is the way to go!

 

[HANDSOME STRANGER]

good you brought this up because not only some here praise steroids and never admit their danger...they even try to have a good price on them which makes them venture into the fake steroids territory which is now even more dangerous.....so in case one wants to go for steroids ..at least don't be cheap about it and check your sources well before getting all excited about a good deal on the price.

I challenge you to go over to the aas sections and read what is posted. In just about every thread where a new person comes on and asks about the use of aas you will find that damn near everyone says to do research because of the possible dangers that come along with being irresponsible while using aas. I think you are a troll who like to say ignorant things in order to get attention. I have read most of your post and just about everyone of them are worthless. Not that they are without Merritt but the fact that your facts are skewed. No one praises the use of aas.

You are the type of person who will go to a 4x4 forum and say how dangerous it is to raise the ride height of ones vehicle and install larger tires, for the reason that it could inadvertently harm you for changing the factory settings on the veh. I truly hope that the common sense of the people in this site do not listen to your rhetoric.

I also assume you feel that weed is more dangerous than alcohol. I truly feel sorry that you were given such a low level of intelligence. Which you blatantly display in every single one of your posts.

Yes everything has its limits. And yes in the wrong hands aas can have sever consequences. But also in the right hand aas can be used responsibly and with great benefits. Back in the olds days I do not believe that they were pinning 1 gram of test amweek along with other compounds. In my opinion and I say again MY OPINION AAS SHOULD BE USED IN MODERATION IF USED. just like creatine, moderation, people have died from misuse of this substance as well.

You my freind have fallen into the typical propaganda in which the media wants you to believe.

 

[HANDSOME STRANGER]

I think we all need a picture of BJG to see what he says about his natty ability. I would venture to say this guy never lifts. And if he didnhendid it for a few weeks then gave up because he could not handle the hard work. I will guarantee that guys that use aas work at least 10 times harder than most natty guys.

 

[Qwai Chang]

I gave up being natural Jan 6, 2006 7PM with my first injection of SuperTest 450 and never looked back.

 

[Qwai Chang]

You are so right about getting your size back after such a long lay off. I lost interest in training and stopped going to the gym for 12 years until I got a letter about a job offer with the state and that I would have do a PFT course. I cursed myself for not being in shape to complete the PFT. I'm ready for anything now and it only took me 1 1/2 months to reach 215 lb. from 175 lb.!

Ignore the last line of my first post big time error!
Natural was THE WAY TO GO BACK THEN, NOT ANYMORE. When I go to the now, I see the same guys and gals doing the same routines and haven't grown a 1/4 inch anywhere on their bodies and it's a Powerhouse Gym, which I've been a member for 25 years. The gym is designed for bodybuilding, weight training, and power lifting.
I believe the gym was designed for that purpose only, but these fuckers treat it like its a Bally's!

I must put in that the job offer was in 1995 and I tried very hard to get into some physical condition, but the long layoff had taken its toll on my body. Two guys at the gym sold steroids, but it didn't occur to me to get in contact with them because I had put the gym totally out of life. Bad decision Chang.

 

[HANDSOME STRANGER]

i never said use 50mg of test for whatever long ..i said for a short time....

OK BJG for your information. WHEN using AAS regardless of the amount that that one uses for regardless of the extent of time used. AAS will shut down your own production of testosterone. Even if one wanted to run a maintenance dose of such said substance. One will have to use some type of PCT protocol in order to bring their natural test levels back. NOT THAT DOING SO IS A GUARANTEE. BY day 2 of your first pin you would most likely be completely shut down. Again I advise you to go over to the aas section of this board and do some research so that you do not misinform users of this site. Also 18 weeks is not a short time........... I think someone should ban you from this site to keep you from posting such utter useless information. Again as said before your advice is dangerous.


THIS IS FROM YOUR POST ON PAGE 2 OF THIS THREAD.
2- the steroid dosage you used is minimal in a way it will not cause any testosterone shut down of your system HAHAHAHAHAHAH
3- you keep the same level of workout after you stop steroids
for example instead of using for example a normal dosage of 200mg of test a week for 12 weeks, use 100 or even 50 mg a week for 18 weeks this will give you a push and will probably not cause any post cycle problems. THIS IS WRONG. AND BAD ADVICE............
in short if you insist on using steroids let it be used to just give you a small push rather than rely on it.
Any regular cycle dosage like the one used by most juicers will only give you temporary short lived results and Post cycle side effects and problems to worry about. and no matter what you do you will loose all your gains if not more, pct or not. LOL HHAHAHAHA man you crack me up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bjg]

cross 80, my advice is not to take steroids at all ..............so go ahead do as many steroids as you please and we will see when you stop what happens to you ..........this subject is not to be debated anymore...........you can believe what you want and do all the steroids you want ...and when you are in deep shit just go to a doctor to save your ass.
Again for all other new lifters: the ONLY gains that will stay with you are natural gains ONLY and whoever say the opposite is either a liar or he means harm to you as simple as that.

 

[HANDSOME STRANGER]

cross 80, my advice is not to take steroids at all ..............so go ahead do as many steroids as you please and we will see when you stop what happens to you ..........this subject is not to be debated anymore...........you can believe what you want and do all the steroids you want ...and when you are in deep shit just go to a doctor to save your ass.
Again for all other new lifters: the ONLY gains that will stay with you are natural gains ONLY and whoever say the opposite is either a liar or he means harm to you as simple as that.

NO your advise as stated above and on page two of this thread is to follow some BS protocol... I know your kind buddy......... YOU are that 50 plus year old man at the gym who walks around and makes women feel uncomfortable. You look at the equipment all lost and confused. You tell the younger guys what you COULD have lifted back in the days. And your a skinny fat old man who looks in the mirror and says man only if I would not have been so lazy as a young adult, I might be still be pulling pussy today. Rather than cruising the streets at midnight looking for the cheapest tranny you can find. Besides all that I have said about the truth about you.. You are a pacifist when it come to people calling you out on the BS you say... Go suck start and tranny guy.. You and your words are BS...........

 

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[bjg]

cross80 you are full of shit grow up kid just grow up...