^^^no offence, but once again u overload me with info...i want to hear it come directly from the doctor's mouth..something simple
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I went back and did that for you, OTB.
Moderator powers come in handy.
Let us know if this makes sense.
Moderator powers come in handy.
Let us know if this makes sense.
much better..thank you. I will try and buy all of the supplements mentioned,though it might burn a hole through the wallet. For my own info, what tests would u want me to have done after the supplementation?
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Buy smaller amounts of these supps if money is tight.
We will find a solution.
A metabolic suite is done, all at once, using a single analyzer system. That will also be taken care of later on.
Fist, we get you stabilized, reduce your acidity, IBS, and liver problems (HAN mentioned you have a profile that looks a lot like insulin insensitivity, which is similar to HAN, but he doesn;t make insulin, where you may. Yours doesn't get inside cells and his pancreas isn't releasing it correctly.
HANs comments on the stress control is a key here OTB.
We need to know what your daily patterns of activity, including sleep are like.
I, HANs, and others have to use stress control methods, or we have similar problems to yours. Its quite common these days.
We will find a solution.
A metabolic suite is done, all at once, using a single analyzer system. That will also be taken care of later on.
Fist, we get you stabilized, reduce your acidity, IBS, and liver problems (HAN mentioned you have a profile that looks a lot like insulin insensitivity, which is similar to HAN, but he doesn;t make insulin, where you may. Yours doesn't get inside cells and his pancreas isn't releasing it correctly.
HANs comments on the stress control is a key here OTB.
We need to know what your daily patterns of activity, including sleep are like.
I, HANs, and others have to use stress control methods, or we have similar problems to yours. Its quite common these days.
OTB you just got to control the stress and not let it control you. Its mind over matter brother and you command it. Get negative thoughts out of your head and find something you like to do and try to get your mind off it I kow it is hard to do, but you can do it. Might want to look into delta cds before bed time, or try to just calm your mind. If you tried everything and nothing else works there is a sleep aid called lunestra that you may want to use as last resort. Again as a last resort till you get stabilized..
Good to hear from you OTB ... 
Trouble said:
i go for a walk once a day but usually tires me out. feet hurt constantly. I can never sleep through the night; waking up around 2-3 with intestinal pain. i don't have much energy to do anyhting else. once i take the walk i am pretty much beat.
justin you brought up a key point as me as well bottom of feet have been killing me for 80% of the time. if you are to get better stress reduction and blood sugar control will be 2 big components that i am sure trouble will agree with me on..
Do you have tingling sensations in your hands or lower legs like fall alseep on you or you lose functioning of them from time to time. Like your hands or fingers get locked up?
Do bottom of your feet have cracks in the skin or sores on them?
If you get a cut it takes several days even weeks to heal were it normally takes a few days?
Do your ankles swell up at any time during the day or in the morning or do your socks leave rings around where they where on our leg
Are you having problems with eyes such as sunight irriatation and also vision is not as sharp as before?
vascularity all gone, muscle flat?
Do you feel like you like blood flow is restricted though body?
I am not jumping to conclusions, but a pattern with you and I is really started to emerge. its a good thing ..
How is your blood pressure low or high, normal?
Did they do any recent blood work on you?
You craving certain foods but have no desire to eat them? no appeite so to speak?
Do you have tingling sensations in your hands or lower legs like fall alseep on you or you lose functioning of them from time to time. Like your hands or fingers get locked up?
Do bottom of your feet have cracks in the skin or sores on them?
If you get a cut it takes several days even weeks to heal were it normally takes a few days?
Do your ankles swell up at any time during the day or in the morning or do your socks leave rings around where they where on our leg
Are you having problems with eyes such as sunight irriatation and also vision is not as sharp as before?
vascularity all gone, muscle flat?
Do you feel like you like blood flow is restricted though body?
I am not jumping to conclusions, but a pattern with you and I is really started to emerge. its a good thing ..
How is your blood pressure low or high, normal?
Did they do any recent blood work on you?
You craving certain foods but have no desire to eat them? no appeite so to speak?
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yes to most of the questions..my blood pressure is fine and no i haven't had any blood work done recently
briefly describe what you do in a day from time you get up to bed and what is your currect diet like
Just to simplify it, because there is alot of information here:
It seems like your need to help your body help itself. So, if I'm right, once you bring your natural systems back, like immune system, it will proceed to destroy all of these foreign bodies with a vengence, technically speaking.
It seems like your need to help your body help itself. So, if I'm right, once you bring your natural systems back, like immune system, it will proceed to destroy all of these foreign bodies with a vengence, technically speaking.
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BD. HAN and I just concluded our discussion in his thread.
I explained most of the ties in the last dozen posts. Tied it all together in the last one.
You gotta understand that this isn't just about fixing with supplements, it changing destructive living patterns...lack of sleep, poor exercise, dietary and supplements issues, drug and alchohol abuse, social isolation, lack of attention to managing stress..they all fit in to a long slow deterioration of health.
First, OTB needs to getting to feel better, get out that brain fog that only leads to frustration when he's trying to understand complex ideas.
Once he starts to sleep better, and gets to feeling more clear headed, then we'll start talking about patterns of living and how they can lead to big health problems.
Our motto: KISS keep it simple, supply simple explanations as we go along, so that we not only correct the problems slow, but keep them from reoccuring, because they will if you don't make long term changes in lifestyle and personal behaviors, attitudes, and patterns of activity.
For the sleep issues, theanine and melatonin can be used, along with valarian. You can buy the last two at Walmart, pretty cheap. Not too much, just enough to do the job. Theanine you can get from BN.
Melatonin and valarian first. Theanine if sleep issues persist, its not absolutely needed right now.
I explained most of the ties in the last dozen posts. Tied it all together in the last one.
You gotta understand that this isn't just about fixing with supplements, it changing destructive living patterns...lack of sleep, poor exercise, dietary and supplements issues, drug and alchohol abuse, social isolation, lack of attention to managing stress..they all fit in to a long slow deterioration of health.
First, OTB needs to getting to feel better, get out that brain fog that only leads to frustration when he's trying to understand complex ideas.
Once he starts to sleep better, and gets to feeling more clear headed, then we'll start talking about patterns of living and how they can lead to big health problems.
Our motto: KISS keep it simple, supply simple explanations as we go along, so that we not only correct the problems slow, but keep them from reoccuring, because they will if you don't make long term changes in lifestyle and personal behaviors, attitudes, and patterns of activity.
For the sleep issues, theanine and melatonin can be used, along with valarian. You can buy the last two at Walmart, pretty cheap. Not too much, just enough to do the job. Theanine you can get from BN.
Melatonin and valarian first. Theanine if sleep issues persist, its not absolutely needed right now.
i've been on melatonin since high school. that's when I started having problems sleeping. I added 5-htp when i got sick 2 years ago.
when i wake up i eat..usually eggs/egg whites and gluten free waffles..Then I go for a walk; probably 1-1.5 miles. After that, I have no energy so I basically just lie around the house. go on the internet researching, read the newspaper until i get a headache. For lunch and dinner it's usually turkey/chicken breasts with brocolli/carrots/cucumbers/ and yogurt/brown rice/gluten free pasta. This is the same thing I ate all during the runup to the competition. If I have a gluten craving that prevents me from sleeping I gotta geta burger or else I won't be sleeping that night.
when i wake up i eat..usually eggs/egg whites and gluten free waffles..Then I go for a walk; probably 1-1.5 miles. After that, I have no energy so I basically just lie around the house. go on the internet researching, read the newspaper until i get a headache. For lunch and dinner it's usually turkey/chicken breasts with brocolli/carrots/cucumbers/ and yogurt/brown rice/gluten free pasta. This is the same thing I ate all during the runup to the competition. If I have a gluten craving that prevents me from sleeping I gotta geta burger or else I won't be sleeping that night.
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OTB, part of your problem lies in diet.
Can you please post your diet in the nutrition section for feedback form the forum.
I think you may be inadvertantly adding to your problems with your current diet.
How much melatonin are you taking? Whats your sleep schedule like?
Can you please post your diet in the nutrition section for feedback form the forum.
I think you may be inadvertantly adding to your problems with your current diet.
How much melatonin are you taking? Whats your sleep schedule like?
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but I am not a bodybuilder anymore doc. I won't be eating like the rest of the people on the board. They will be offering me advice for their lifestyle, which I haven't been apart of for 2 years now. i take 3 mg of melatonin and 250-300 mg of serotonin 1 hour before bedtime. when i was healthy i would go to sleep at 10 and wake up at 7:30-8. now i wake up around 2-3
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"This is the same thing I ate all during the runup to the competition. "
Diet is part of your problem. Explain that you are looking for a healthier diet. Not everybody is doing competitions. We got some knowledgable folks jere who will give good advice on dietary corrections.
About the 5 HTP. Someone fucked up when they recommended it to you.
Here's why: A vitamin B6-dependent enzyme is necessary to convert 5-HTP into serotonin. But OTB, you don't have enough B6 to meet your basic needs, never mind do this conversion. Whats why you wake up. Your serotonin isn't being made. And you got a cortisol surge at 3am. So you might wanna try the valarian, it will help. Also consider the theanine, cause it will also help keep you asleep. Part of your problem is that you're sleep deprived, and constantly exhaused from it. Its stopping your brain and body from doing its necessary repairs each night. Plus, it causes anxiety. GABA, made from theanine, is anti-anxiety promoting, when used in small doses. Larger doses do the opposite, and you don't want that to happen.
Diet is part of your problem. Explain that you are looking for a healthier diet. Not everybody is doing competitions. We got some knowledgable folks jere who will give good advice on dietary corrections.
About the 5 HTP. Someone fucked up when they recommended it to you.
Here's why: A vitamin B6-dependent enzyme is necessary to convert 5-HTP into serotonin. But OTB, you don't have enough B6 to meet your basic needs, never mind do this conversion. Whats why you wake up. Your serotonin isn't being made. And you got a cortisol surge at 3am. So you might wanna try the valarian, it will help. Also consider the theanine, cause it will also help keep you asleep. Part of your problem is that you're sleep deprived, and constantly exhaused from it. Its stopping your brain and body from doing its necessary repairs each night. Plus, it causes anxiety. GABA, made from theanine, is anti-anxiety promoting, when used in small doses. Larger doses do the opposite, and you don't want that to happen.
can u explain to me what i am lacking in my diet?
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You blood work clearly indicates that you have poor insulin sensitivity, yet your diet seems to encourage insulin release. When poor glucose utilization is combined with chronic stress and missing metabolic factors, you will have health problems - many of the symptoms you manifest.
Its not just about taking supplements OTB, its also about lifestyle corrections, including a diet that helps you manage your insulin and improve glucose tolerance.
Its not just about taking supplements OTB, its also about lifestyle corrections, including a diet that helps you manage your insulin and improve glucose tolerance.
how does my diet encourge insulin release?
my doctor is gonna refer me to UCSF medical center which is one of the best in the country. he thinks there is also a possibility i have chronic fatigue syndrome.
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You need multiple small meals (4-6) to spread your calories out and to help keep your blood sugar levels very even. Your breakfast and dinner feature carbs that will promote insulin release.
You must eat to manage a tendency towards low blood sugar, hypoglycemia.
You must eat to manage a tendency towards low blood sugar, hypoglycemia.
i don't have that kind of appetite anymore to eat 4-6 meals. don't u understand? i have no desire to eat.
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You don't have to eat because you are hungry...you eat because you must, or you pay dearly for it with your health.
Most of us work to qwell hunger. Very few of us can afford to eat only when we are hungry, OTB.
Most of us work to qwell hunger. Very few of us can afford to eat only when we are hungry, OTB.
instead of playing these mind games with me, why don't u just come right out and tell me what u think i should be eating?
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anyone with knowledge of the human body, can u explain to me why my intestines stop hurting after i eat burgers and fries? why would i feel better after eating that, and worse after eating frutis and vegetqables? These are questions my family have grappled with the past 2 years. This is not a mental thing. Physically, the hurting stops.
By giving the body what it wants or craves at a specific time, may ony be given it a temporary fix, but in the long we need to look at options that is going to allow the body to return back to balance. I understand your frustration do not think you are going this alone. What she has recommended to me so far has calm my nervous system down alot, but I have also had to change my some things in my life inorder to help the process.
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at this point i am looking squarely at what the ephedra might have done to my body. I will be going to the hospital or UCSF to check for kidney/gall stones as well as my liver and serum glucose levels.
something is causing my body to react like this and i don't think it's as simple as saying i just need my cns to recover...that's what i have been doing the past 2 years..
