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Trouble said:
Hybah is totally right on here - he understands your problem perfectly.

If you think you aren't stressed, fine. Fool yourself right into the grave. If you think this disease isn't lifethreatening in its advanced stages, you'll be in even worse shape in a few months.

Jesu, you got the acid reflux right in your mouth, and you're gonna tell us you aren't stressed?

You do need counseling, because you're addicted to stress and you're in firm denial that you don't have a problem.

Wanna be cured? Start with your stress problem, your lack of exercise and fuckchop diet. Use the supps I talk about on that webpage.

Get your hands in sam-e and take it, 200 mgs, twice per day to start, then 400 mgs twice per day (iherb.com has the 400mgs cheapest). Taurine, use it in LIMITED amounts, just 500 mgs at time, couple times a day. Use the magnesium at the same time. Use choline glus a little glucuronolactone to help with lagging neurotransmitters in your liver. Use NAC, capped, 500 mgs, 600 mgs, 3 times a day.

Thats a start. You keep wanting to place blame for this condition of yours on some mythic disease. Stress is your disease, GERD is its henchman. Its taking you apart, cell by cell, so until you have the balls to face and deal with it...

Its your master and you are the slave.


the only exercise i am capable of is walking right now..and even then my feet swell up afterwards.I have tried going back to the gym and lifting light, only to be sore for days. I try eating all the right things, fruits/vegetables/protein, but I feel worse and worse. Once again, u fail to tell me what u think I should be eating instead.
 
i am gunna have 3 things done...a capsule endoscopy where u swallow a pill and they see ur insides and how ur body digests it..a stomach acid tests to obviously measure the acids..and 3 a final EGD (upper GI endoscopy)..if all of them turn out normal, then i will give up, a final rest to my mind and body.
 
One of the reasons your feet swell is because you're not getting any exercise.

For diet: Get this book on a great GERD diet and how to prepare the simple healthy foods you need. You can buy it used for 7 bucks plus shipping.

T
 
no my feet swell when i get exercise, i.e. go for a walk..and i will check out that book...but do u know what they would recommend eaging if u had to guess?
 
Finaly the final tests :)

Then start with the damn relaxation already! Because you're such a serious case it will take looooong before you're going to feel normal again. My problems flared up on in january and now i'm finaly starting to feel better and feel much more normal. But i still have the uncontrolable hunger, lower libido and other shit. But thank god the fatiques are away, frequent urination, constant tension and other things that made me feel so miserable.

GERD is in your case nothing ... if you want to make it better then grind the ginger and as I said drink 1 teaspon on empty stomach every morning or 3 weeks (min 30 min before eating something). You bet the GERD symptoms will fade away. But still only symptoms will fade.. not the core problem.
 
what specifically do u suggest i do? i tried acupuncture, counselors, meditation..how did u get better? there is only so much control i have over it mentally..
 
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I'm repeating myself all the time but ok .. i'll repeat myself again for the last time...

1.Skilled relaxation atleast 2x a day for 20 min ( i'm using a cd and a biofeedback gsr device)
I was also checked by a biofeedback specialist to tell me if i can really reach the alpha state. And i can!!

2.Perfect whole food diet (Absolutely no refined carbs, sugar) Also not eating strongly alergenic foods like grains (wheat and etc.. ) If it's whole grian then it's ok but it has to be really WHOLE which alot of whole wheat products aren't. There is a whole theory behind this involving leukocytic index, stress and krebs cycle :)

3.Some excercise (Light stretching and jogging)
4.Sex :D
5. + yawning?? Theoretical experimental but it somehow worked.... it worked actually almost instanly.. funny..


Stress or tension overloaded hypothalamus causes spasms and other muscle malfunctions. You definitely have these "spasms" which are called bracing. You will probably will feel them later when you know what a really relaxed body feels like. And btw.. it's going to make you feel shit when you will begin to feel them. That is what is a bit stupid about it.

If you have GERD that means your sphyncter is out of control thanks to the bad function of your brain. Same goes for LGS which you definitely have. And with LGS even candida can come ... but don't focus on that.. focus on the damn relaxation and if you do it right then you will feel better... but that will take some time.. you just have to work on it..

The best info site about this program and actually the only place that teaches people to see the real culprit behind these problems is www.askwaltstoolmd.com ... there is a big bulleting board with archives that goes back ro 1998.. it's filled with experience of other people and full of really usefull data that will no doctor tell you because doctor's know shit and doesn't know how to treat such patients... take your time and read the archives .. it will take days before you will understand everything you should know from there... but it's worth it.. that info is priceless and can't be found anywhere else.. it's basicaly the core info needed for a healthy life.
 
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And i tell you ... if you really have some other "complications" like candida or other shit ... being relaxed and having the "tension" under control makes it so easier to cure yourself and so easier to live a more normal life ... after the hypothalamus is more ok your organs will start to work in a more normal way.. my GERD basicaly didn't showed up since i started to feel that i'm stoping bracing...
 
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which would be better? ginger root in capsules or ginger root tea?
 
Jesus christ.. i have to repeat myself again...

Okay... go to a supermarket and buy some fresh ginger root (3,4 pieces should be enough..depends on how big they are) .. grind the ginger in the juicer.. you don't have to peel it (hope you have a juicer that can grind and is strong enough). Put the juice in a jar with a tight lid and put it in the refrigerator. The next morning after you wake up drink a teaspoon of it on empty stomach (minimum 30 min before eating anything). It will burn like HELL for the first few times but you will get used to it. Drink it every morning for atleast 3 weeks. You can even drink a tablespoon if you want. It won't cause any damage. Don't await any miracles from it .. it only treats few symptoms.
 
i am afraid that even if i physically get better, mentally i will never be the same. I have lost college, my home, the gym and the friends I made there. I really dunno if I have enough left to go on, even if all my energy does come back to normal.
 
Don't give up man. It's been only 2 years... just compare 2 or let's say 3 years (until you get better) of feeling shit to those maybe 80 years of feeling fine that are in front of you.

You know you don't want to give up :thumb:

Some people battle horrible diseases like cancer for years and they have a small chance of success.

Your chances are 100% so don't fuck it up right now ;)
 
thx mayne..it means a lot to hear that..on top of all this, my dog of 12 years was just put to sleep and my father had to make that decision on his own and I know that it's really tearing him up inside. It's like everything wrong the past 2 years all came down on me at once. I am trying my best to deal with the stress, as I now realize it's probably what's been causing me to be sick. However, from a realistic standpoint, it was the mental stress that caused the physical stress. Now I am just trying to heal that; namely the gut.
 
You will get it done OTB ... just keep on swinging for the fences AND know that there are people out there who really do care about ya. Some of us just come in here to read what you say and see how you are from those posts but we all are cheering for you.
 
I know its babble.. but you need to keep a positive mental attitude. Have you read any positive material lately? Or listened to any motivational tapes like Anthony Robbins?

When you surround yourself with positive people and things it changes your outlook, no matter how grim. If you need any kind of list or anything let me know and I will help you out :)
 
thx i really appreciate it...i have been taking a lot, and i mean a lot, of the ginger root tea and the Metagenics product and let me tell u..they have really helped with the gi inflammation...really calms it down..
 
Ginger is really interesting. Would love to know the mechanism behind it why it is so helpful for GERD patients. Ginger tea is nice but pure ginger juice is da shiat.. soo effective ;)

Premier : You woudln't beleive how hard it is to live with such a condition that OTB is in. I'm stuck in something like that too. It's impossible to think positive until start feeling better. It's really really damn hard. I almost lost my mind, my love, my school .. basicaly my whole life shattered. But i didn't give up and my intuition helped me in getting the right info for my condition. Like i say there's still alot of things to be done .. my hormones are still acting bananaz :spaz:
 
Ginger (Zingiber officinale Roscoe)

Ginger is a member of the Zingiberaceae Family and has been used for medicinal purposes since 100 AD. It was not until the 13th century that it was introduced to the kitchen as a taste sensation. Ginger is cultivated in many tropical regions, and different forms of processing result in different grades and qualities of the end product. Jamaican ginger is considered the best quality and Japanese ginger is of inferior quality to all the others. In Europe only scraped or unscraped, unbleached ginger is acceptable as a medicinal product.

Therapeutic Description: Ginger is claimed to relieve various forms of gastrointestinal distress such as motion sickness, seasickness, morning sickness in pregnancy, postoperative nausea, and flatulence.

Mechanism of Action: Ginger is composed of: 3% - 6% fatty oil, 9% protein, 60% - 70% carbohydrates, 3% - 8% raw fiber, 8% ash, 12% water, and 2% - 3% volatile oil. The volatile oil consists mainly of mono- and sesquiterpenes and Oleoresin (extraction residue). 4% - 7.5% of pungent substances in the volatile oil include gingerols, shogaol, zingerone, paradol and ziniberol (Lagner, et al. 1998). Studies by Holtmann, Clarke, Scherer, & Hohn (1989) and Phillips, Ruggier, & Hutchinson (1993) indicate that ginger acts directly on the gastrointestinal mucosa and not on the central nervous system, as was first thought. The efficacy of ginger appears to depend on aromatic, carminative and absorbent properties of the pungent substances. Yamahara, Rong, Iwamoto, Kobayashi, Matsuda and Fujimura (1989) reported acetone extract of ginger and gingerols exhibited an anti-serotonin effect, thereby inhibiting intestinal contractions and Huang, Iwamoto, et al. (1991) indicated these components selectively antagonize 5-HT3 receptors.

So, you have a site specific effect of gingerols as anti-spasmodics and more recent literature (not cited here) indicates that gingerols are potent anti-inflammatory agents, blocking prostaglandins and prostacylin production in inflammed tissues.

Evidence of Therapeutic Effects: Several studies indicated the effectiveness of ginger. Ginger was superior to standard anti-nausea drugs in reducing gastrointestinal symptoms of motion sickness. Vertigo symptoms were reduced more with ginger than a placebo in a double-blind crossover trial using induced motion sickness. In a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial on sea-sickness, ginger significantly reduced tendency to vomit and cold sweats better than a placebo. Powdered ginger root does not appear to effect nystagmus response (eye reaction) to vestibular or optokenetic stimulus and therefore indicates ginger has no effect on the CNS. In a double-blind, randomized, crossover study, ginger demonstrated significantly greater relief of morning sickness compared to a placebo.

Two randomized, double-blind studies showed both ginger and metoclopramide to have a similar effectiveness on postoperative nausea and vomiting, greater than the placebo. After ingesting ginger, patients who were treated with psoralens (which cause nausea), experienced a reduction of nausea.

--->Ginger does not affect the gastric emptying rate (Phillips, et al. 1993). It was found that in lab animals, gingerols have analgesic, sedative, antipyretic, antibacterial. and GI motility effects, (O'Hara, Kiefer, Farrell, & Kemper, 1998).

Dosage and Regimens: Ginger root needs to be encapsulated to prevent oral and oesophageal irritation. The usual recommended adult dose of ginger root powder is between 250mg to 1g several times per day for symptoms of gastrointestinal distress.

Adverse Effects and Contraindications: Ginger inhibits platelet aggregation and thromboxane synthetase and excessive doses may interfere with existing cardiac, antidiabetic or anticoagulation therapy (Warfarin). However, evidence of ginger inhibiting platelet aggregation is found only when using large amounts of raw ginger and indicates it could be dose-related. During pregnancy and lactation, doses exceeding the amounts used in normal cooking should be avoided.

Ginger does not produce the undesirable side effects associated with other antiemetic (anti-vomiting) medications. No indication of side effects have been reported except for some degree of a heartburn sensation and rare cases of allergic reaction. [6]-gingerol is a potent mutagen, however, ginger juice also contains antimutogenic components that suppress [6]-gingerol (this suggests that use of the whole root is preferrable to an extract).

Discussion: Ginger has been repeatedly proven effective in subduing and alleviating many forms of gastrointestinal distress and is indicated as safe to use in moderate amounts. Overall, studies have proved it to have some effect on motion sickness and post-operative nausea. However, the studies fail to indicate any CNS involvement. Further investigation of ginger, as an antiemetic is required.

Source
 
i couldn't handle the Metagenics product...it kept me awake at night and severly curtailed my appetite. but the ginger root tea is helping..i talked to the GI doctor again and said for GERD to use Mylanta or Nexium. and he still doesn't know what's causing it. I sure wish i knew.
 
OTB you don't listen again. GERD is another manifestation of wrecked hypothalamus and the whole control axis.
It's the muscle at the entering of the stomach that has gone crazy. After my spasms/bracing started to stop i also started loosing the Gerd and the hiatal hernia feelings. If i had an endoscopy done right now it would probably seem that it's almost healed. And don't take that bullshit Nexium or that Mylanta. Ginger root juice is far more effective and can actually get rid you of your GERD symptoms for years.

Of course he doesn't know what causes gerd... he's a doctor for christ sakes.. just an educated monkey.. a BADLY educated monkey... i'm an educated monkey too because all the stuff i learned but there were few tricks i learned on my own.. and the stuff i learned is far more powerfull than any of that allopathic bullshit that doctors know...
OTB you have to be your own medical expert. And tell us when you start skilled relaxation training...
 
skilled relaxation training? like what?
 
Like what!? Ever heard of alpha relaxation?? 2x 20 minutes of day of relaxation in alpha state. It's quite hard to learn to relax this way ( a biofeedback device comes in handy ). Total body relaxation has great effect on the body and especialy geting hypothalamus rid of storaged stress&tension. Do some google search about alpha state relaxation.

Not getting proper and deep relaxation is the reason why people have GERD for many many years. Also IBS and thousand other problems. It's all in the damn brain. If you don't get proper relaxation then say bye to the normal life you lived before your whole body crashed. Getting the brain fixed is the primary goal. Then after that you will have no problem fixing other complications.

There are other benefits of alpha relaxation. If you do it properly then the 20 mins can really pump you up with new energy. I sleep max 5 hours a day and can last to 2 am without even feeling tired. It's actually few times more effective than sleeping (it won't disrupt the circadian cycles).

Maybe Trouble could tell us more about stress chemistry and how to get rid of it. I'm just a 21 yrz old guy who plays smart just because he read some good info and helped himself :)

And OTB .. if you have any specific questions then ask.... i'm here to help but if you won't listen i won't force you to listen to me.. i'm getting quite tired of repeating the same shiznit all the time.. it's like you're not reading or what... it's up to you...
 
Sure, I already spelled it out here, not once but twice. Its glutamine excitotoxicity. Do a search on it. OTB, you, me, and a many others we don't synthesize GABA in our brains and bodies very well. That leads to higher NMDA, normally counterbalanced by GABA, in our brain and spinal chords, and that over stimulates the intestines and gallbladder to release bile acids.

Its stress driven chemistry, just like you say in your last posts. You got it pretty well nailed down. OTB has to practice and practice his stress control until he overcomes his automatic conditioning.

OTB can start doing his own Google searches, to learn more on stress management and relaxation therapy. Thats the best medicine for him at present. That and regular daily exercise outdoors. See, he's missing vitamin D, its not being made in liver and converted in skin, its all repressed from excess bile acids in his liver. Even if he takes supps, his gut is in such shitty shape from all this stress, that he doesn't absorb it worth shit.
 
oaktownboy said:
i couldn't handle the Metagenics product...it kept me awake at night and severly curtailed my appetite. but the ginger root tea is helping..i talked to the GI doctor again and said for GERD to use Mylanta or Nexium. and he still doesn't know what's causing it. I sure wish i knew.
I have the same wish for myself OTB. I was misdiagnosed with ulcers at age ten and prescribed Maalox and a bland diet. Once GERD was defined and a treatment developed I have been much more comfortable. Prilosec OTC every other day kills the reflux troubles as it reduces the amount of acid my digestive system produces to do its job. If I use Prilosec every day I get bladder discomfort. Proper diet helped out a bunch.

Keep on plugin OTB you're a strong person. This thread of yours shows your inner strength.
 
BoneCrusher said:
Once GERD was defined and a treatment developed

Sorry but what "treatment"??? Reducing symptoms in such a barbaric way like those meds do is a "treatment"??? I don't think so mister... get educated and cut the meds and get rid of GERD forever. That's all i can say...

Btw Trouble... does taking L-glutamine actually cause more damage then good in these kind of situations?? I mean stress generally.
 
well i have finally come to the realization that it's all in my head. I am on Wellbutrine and am seeing a psychologist and pscyhiatrist. Looking back, I was depressed as far back as 12 when my parents divorced and I was sent to violent schools. Bodybuilding was my way of letting out the anger of not connecting to anyone my age. The dieting, especially the ephedra, dug up everything I had tried to bury my whole life. Hopefully, my serotonin levels will balance out and my digestion will improve. I started sleeping better last night as well once I realized all of this. But I know it will be a long, hard road to recovery.
 
:clapping:

It doesn't now matter how have you gotten into this situation. You now know what you have to do and if you do it, the chance of success is very very high. I hope i have found a way to accelerate the process. Maybe i did or maybe i didn't. No heck.. I DID ..

Stay tuned :)
 
Hybah said:
Sorry but what "treatment"??? Reducing symptoms in such a barbaric way like those meds do is a "treatment"??? I don't think so mister... get educated and cut the meds and get rid of GERD forever. That's all i can say...

Btw Trouble... does taking L-glutamine actually cause more damage then good in these kind of situations?? I mean stress generally.


Until the body has a means of counterbalancing the action of glutamate as an excitor of neurotransmitter receptors (thats by action of taurine, GABA and carnitine), then the answer is a resounding no, there is no good reason to take glutamine as a supplement by those who are stressed and have no conversion of glutamine to GABA, and limited production of taurine.

Worse, far worse, are those individuals who have impaired GABA production because of stress effects on absorption, and who are using NO inducers, like arginine and its relatives. They will have glutamine induced ammonia toxicity in liver. They will have rotten liver enzyme values on lab tests (AST and ALT) from glutamate induced urea cycle inhibition.
 
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