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Thanks guys. I'll give it a try. I like the deadlift by far, my back has been tight and i have found that, over the past two weeks, i am actually shying away from heavy deads. I force myself through some of them, but i end up thinking soooo much about form that i blow the lift and get mad. My best dead is 600, sumo style. Lately, to practice Olympic form, i have been using a "standard" stance, which has cut a bit off my lift. I work out with 405 for anywhere from 5 to 8 reps, but these past two weeks, i dropped it down to 315. i really messed up something in my back on july 4, and it still hurts. I hope it is not disk damage. I am injury prone, but my dumb ass trains throug it instead of taking the week off. oh well. too much moaning, i gotta go to work. I will have a late workout tonight, deadlifts, but i have to go to a different gym. I think i will ONLY hit deads tonight, and bury myself with high intenisty. if i do it right, i really dont need much else for back. I still love one-arm dumbbell rows, hit three sets with 135, and im good to go. Thanks for the feedback guys,

Funk, i want to pick your brain on how to up my intensity, when you have time.
 
what do you want to do with your intensity?
 
P-funk said:
Just do a deadlift meet then. The deadlift meets are the best and by far my favorite lift in a powerlifting meet (also the most legit since you can't really wear any gear to help you lift the weight from the floor.).
definately. I love watching DL comps... you can't cheat.
 
Brother Legion, how goes it? I agree, you should do a meet, youre putting up incredible numbers!!!
 
600lb deads....! Your def on the right track. - I'm with Archangel about teh meet. Go for it! :thumbs:
 
Damn that's a big deadlift!! Maybe you just need some deep tissue massage or something, pulling like that will send your back muscles into spasms.
 
Rocco32 said:
Damn that's a big deadlift!! Maybe you just need some deep tissue massage or something, pulling like that will send your back muscles into spasms.

No kidding. I'm bullheaded, like i told you. I've been to immediate care twice because of messed up muscles in my lower back, but i am shunning common sense and just pushing through. I love the rush, though, of holding that kind of weight and conquering it, pulling my shoulders up and back to complete that lift. Thank you all for your positive input, its good to have a place to put these thoughts down and get honest and positive criticism.

Today was supposed to be deadlift day, ended up filling in for a missing bartender, just got home at 1:30 am. i will wake early and get the deads in, but at that hour, no big lifts.

Funk man: I know that "intensity" can be manipulated many ways, through constant weight increase, through rest intervals, through forced reps and supersets, through negatives... i read a comment recently that you made about 5 reps being too few to properly affect a muscle group, that you need at least 8 to prevent accommodation. does this stand for the "big 3 lifts" in powerlifting and the same with clean/jerks and snatches? or just support movements like dumbbell rows, push presses, etc? I train like a beast, and get frenzied, and find that i sometimes lose track of my intensity goals, for the sake of just putting up big lifts. ultimately, i am concerned that i will not make the desired progress if i just keep hitting close to max lifts. i try to follow logic, which tells me that, to get massive and strong, one must lift heavy, one must push hard against heavy weight. For example, heaavy deads or bench, sets of 2 and three reps with REAL STRUGGLE with good form... i know, too much weight makes a sloppy lift, which is why my olympic "practice lifts" are with relatively light weights. Am i making sense? Damn, i wish i could just work out with you for a week to see what you mean.

Rocco: I dig your pics, man! Nice ink! i design tattoos, if you are ever looking for new ink. My birthday is today, i asked my wife for more ink.

Archangel: If i worked out like you, i would need 2 gallons of water, rather than my usual one, and would be hone in time to catch another episode of Family Guy! You're truly dedicated. Stay focused, you inspire.

Akkers: I want to see PICS!!!!!
 
Funk man: I know that "intensity" can be manipulated many ways, through constant weight increase, through rest intervals, through forced reps and supersets, through negatives... i read a comment recently that you made about 5 reps being too few to properly affect a muscle group, that you need at least 8 to prevent accommodation. does this stand for the "big 3 lifts" in powerlifting and the same with clean/jerks and snatches? or just support movements like dumbbell rows, push presses, etc? I train like a beast, and get frenzied, and find that i sometimes lose track of my intensity goals, for the sake of just putting up big lifts. ultimately, i am concerned that i will not make the desired progress if i just keep hitting close to max lifts. i try to follow logic, which tells me that, to get massive and strong, one must lift heavy, one must push hard against heavy weight. For example, heaavy deads or bench, sets of 2 and three reps with REAL STRUGGLE with good form... i know, too much weight makes a sloppy lift, which is why my olympic "practice lifts" are with relatively light weights. Am i making sense? Damn, i wish i could just work out with you for a week to see what you mean.


I don't recall making a comment like that and if I did I would have to see what kind of context it was in or what it was pertaining to. I rarely do more than 3 reps these days per set. As far as increasing intensity weekly goes there are many many things you can do to push yourself to heavier weights (provided your technique is sound).
 
* Legion * said:
Rocco: I dig your pics, man! Nice ink! i design tattoos, if you are ever looking for new ink. My birthday is today, i asked my wife for more ink.
Thanks man. I love my tatoos. Hopefully I'll finish my back here soon. I'll definately keep you in mind for new ink, my tattoo artist helps me design what I want and does a great job but she's moving too Germany in November :( So I'm sure I could use some help. And HAPPY B-DAY!!!!!!! What did your wife say?
 
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Happy Birthday my Friend!!! You design tattoos huh? How much you charge? I will keep you in mind, definatly due for another one myself!!!
 
happy birthday big man!
 
LOL thanks. two days off, i needed it. still sore from legs and delts, was scheduled to do deads, but i will hit them after my shift tomorrow.
 
How do you design tattoos? I have one in mind, but it's pretty complicated I think!!!
 
send me a pm and tell me what you have in mind. i got my bachelor's degree in fine art, and i could send you some pics of some things i have done for shows. i really dont have a bit portfolio of designs for tattoos, but i just finished a piece for my father in law, who is a biker, and am working on my own. the one i have in my pic, on my arm, is a tribal piec i drew.
 
Something I didn't know but just found out! I was talking to my coach about the Encyclopedia or Weightlifting and he told me (don't know why he failed to mention this before?) that Arthur Dreshler, the author of the book, was his coach!
 
Heya brotha!

Lookin good in here....sorry I didn't post sooner! I have been pulling some crazy weeks at work and with both my volly squads I just don't have the time to post as much as i use to! I'll be here more often now though schedual is clearing up.

Lifts are looking really strong bro wow....really rippin it up boy! Keep at it and I agree with everyone else about the comps!

You do alot of art design eh? I may have to get ya to sketch me something....been lookin for someone to do some work for me lol!
 
ill do design work for anyone, just ask.

Training going well. ill post specifics later, been sick, really should stay focused, school starts this week, nervous about my self-contained class. I have all the "heavy hitters this week, the most violent. Toughest kid in my class has a manslaughter rap. Ill post more later, just glad you guys keep posting to keep me motivated. I am thankful for this.

Deadbolt... thanks for stopping by. Your back is huge, nice avatar.
 
Hey Brother Legion, sorry to hear your under the weather!!! GODspeed you with the "Heavy Hitters"!!! I will send you a PM when I get my idea all together, your tribal sun looks killer!!!
 
* Legion * said:
nervous about my self-contained class. I have all the "heavy hitters this week, the most violent. Toughest kid in my class has a manslaughter rap.
Damn, my teacherlast year once had a convicted murderer in her class. Part of his sentence wasto finish highschool. Do they let you have a weapon or something on you?
 
There is little need for a weapon. The students are all bussed in, wanded, patted down, and have their shoes removed. We are talking about kids who are on parole, probation, house arrest, and have violent criminal records. There are "general population" kids, who are the average gangbangers, drug dealers, etc. Then there are the "self contained" kids, who are too much of a violent behavior risk to be put into the rotation with the other students, who are allowed to change classes and have less structured time. My students are the self contained kids, therefore, i teach them all day long, all year long, all subjects. they are mine. they stay with me. WHen things get out of hand, we go "hands on," which means they are removed from the classroom, forcibly, for a QT, or quiet training. This involves 2 staff members holding the wrist and tricep, and the students stands at attention on the wall until the behavior either ceases or escalates. If it escalates, then we go to a standing wrap, in which on staff applies a special restraint to the students arms, and the other staff stays put on one arm. (like a bear hug, but without constricting.) If this does not work, you go seated with the student, if not, you take them down and they "go prone." this involves all the manpower you need, and it gets rough. I have been hit with a chair, taken a few blows, but nothing of concern. One kid gave me a concussion, hit me from behind when i was unaware and bounced my head off a cinder block wall. I was furious, and, needless to say, he was on the ground for a while.
This is not an excuse to put kids down. The job is to teach, i am there to teach. I do not like touching a kid, especially when it is a kid that does not want to be touched. They respect me not for my size, but for my humor and the fact that i care about them. Needless to say, the kid that gave me the concussion apologized, and he is back in my class this year.
I only describe my job because i want it to be understood just what this forum means to me. This is my outlet. I have a wonderful family, and am blessed with a supportive wife and a son that lights up my life. I never fear for myself at work, not physically, of course. If it would not be for my size, i would still have the martial arts background, and the kids know it.
My goal for these kids is for them to trust. I want to be trusted, i want them to know that not all white people are racists, not all white people are out to get them. I want them to know that just because a man is large does not make him intimidating, but most of all, i never want them to mistake kindness for weakness. This is my creed, if anything. Do not mistake my kindness for weakness.

I come home, after a day with those young men and women, and am full of hate and full of hope at the same time, and it is like a furnace. I take it to the gym, and gut out the heaviest reps i can. You would be amazed, the testosterone that pumps through my veins from this sort of work. I will, however, only stay at my school for another year or so. I really want to get involved in teaching LD, (learning disabilities, I have a master's degree in Special Education, and a Master of Arts in Teaching) BD (behavior disorder) schools are not as effective as i would like to believe, and i do not want to be bringing this shit home with me for the sake of my son.
I also want to get involved in the Special Olympics, with some of the strength athletes. I hear that is an adventure.

Little to say about he workouts lately, the past few days have been a wash. Thats okay, i am feeling strong and have been eating well, despite the half of a German Chocolate birthday cake that i ate for my birthday!!!!!! If whey protein tasted like german chocolate, i wouldnt have to hold my breath while i chug it down.
 
Damn man thats an awsome job....it sounds like you really enjoy helping people. That would be an awsome way to mix the two passions if you did the special olympics weight lifting gig. That would be a challange but I think it would be so rewarding to know you were able to accomplish such great things!!!

I agree wih the whey LOL. I have for a long time been blending mine up...some ice stuff like that to make it taste better. Just got tired of straight whey and water.
 
hey big guy i know i'm super late, but happy belated b-day anyway :D

i get the elitefts newsletter every week, this week it had a nice article about squatting raw, thought you (and the rest of the strength athletes on here) might enjoy it.

Raw Squat
 
Yanick: Man, thanks a lot, I am becoming obsessed, and any information is welcome. I know i pick a lot of brains around here, especially our resident oly weightlifter, P funk. Squatting is something I ignored for a long time, but I realized that the body works as a whole, or barely works at all. Squats are king, and if one wnats to build a huge physique, no better way than to hit the most muscles possible, with squats (and, certainly, deadlifts.)

Deadbolt: Thanks for the words of encouragement. Honestly, more days are better than those I described. Too much abuse of today's kids, and when you have next to nothing, I understand why kids sell drugs and join gangs. I've learned a great deal from them, I hope that I am able to reciprocate.


Today: Deads again, then Dumbbell rows, pullup or pulldowns, whatever feels more effective. here's the plan...

Deadlifts:
2 sets 305lbs x 8 reps
3 sets 375 x 2-3 reps
1 set 405 x1 rep
1 set 215 x complete failure
Dumbbell rows:
2 sets 115 x 8
2 sets 130x 5
Pullups or pulldowns: whatever it takes.

Lately, i have found that i need little or nothing for traps, which took some time to get used to. I want big mountain traps, but the finish of the deadlift is a shrug up an dback, which hits them hard and deep. middle back has been responding well to the dumbbell rows, barbell rows never worked well for me. I HATE t bar rows, the weight i would put on it hurt my ribs. I lay off any rowing that puts my lower back in jeopardy, saving my low back for deads/cleans/ front squats.
I understand that dumbbell rows are not meant to be performed at a super heavy weight, but again, i respond well to these, and am able to stay strict and minimize arm involvement. I want to begin doing farmer's walks, but my gym really doesn't have dumbbells big enough. I will fabricate somethign at home, my but is a welder, and we are going to begin work on a custom bike next summer, maybe i can get my hands on something that we can weld handles to and fill with water or sand? Who knows.
 
Looks like a solid plan of attack my friend!! I agree with alot of yor theories there....I feel the same way about most of that! Except I love BB rows and DB rows. BB rows really help me build a nice wide back....and deads really hit the traps deep. B/c I tore my cuff I can't do shrugs yet but the deads really hit my traps HARD! Wish I could squat though....I use to squat but all of a sudden now I can't...it brings to much pain to my shoulder! My form was poor for a while and I leaned forward to much and once i corrected that problem and found proper form it hurt to much lol.

Best of luck on your w/o!
 
* Legion * said:
Yanick: Man, thanks a lot, I am becoming obsessed, and any information is welcome. I know i pick a lot of brains around here, especially our resident oly weightlifter, P funk. Squatting is something I ignored for a long time, but I realized that the body works as a whole, or barely works at all. Squats are king, and if one wnats to build a huge physique, no better way than to hit the most muscles possible, with squats (and, certainly, deadlifts.)

yea bro, squatting is important. its my favorite lift by far, so i tend to neglect my DL a lot, but i find that when my squat is up my DL is up too unless i can't grip the bar that is. my main limiting factor in DL's right now is grip, and i refuse to use straps so i'm hitting my grip pretty hard lately.

i especially like the point he makes in the article about working your quads, as IMO the traditional westside program tends to neglect them and concentrates on the P-chain way too much.

i love squatting, i tell people all the time to squat and they will break their plateau's or just see amazing gains but they either won't listen because of some pseudo-science bs they heard on CNN or they are afraid of working hard. all i ever hear in the gym from my friends is "Damn Yan, why are you so sweaty?!"
 
That's a great article Yanick!! Just read it last week, it's in my collection now. Your plan looks good Legion :thumbs: You do convention dead correct?
 
yes and no, Rocco. I have switched back and forth, but my dumb ass pulled something major doing deads on July 4 this year, getting too stupid doing "conventional" style deads. I hit my biggest lifts using a sumo style, which seems to work better for me being so stinking tall. I have to drop the weight down to do conventional, so until i learn otherwise, i do the heavy lifts sumo style, and do the moderately heavy sets traditional style. I wonder if this is counter productive or a waste of time? Same for bench, i do a combination of Power benching with a rather narrow grip, and reverse-grip benching with a rather wide grip, all in the same workout. I bench better with the traditional grip, but i want to try putting up more weight with the reverse grip. I love the looks i get when i hit reps with underhand grip.

There are times that i feel that i know what im doing, and then, like now, times i feel that i don't. Being one who researches a great deal of topics for school, i am well versed on the notion of staying informed and being critically literate. However, in the gym, i like to keep it simple, and stick with what works. i dont want to waste my time worrying about whether or not a particular movement provides a bettter mechanical advantage over another. i do not want to worry about bio-physics, cellular respiration, or theories of fluid dynamics while i am working out. I think about it for a while, and rely on what my body is telling me, how my body responds. I hurt myself doing heavy traditional-stance deadlifts. Obviously, as a powerlifter, its okay to train with sumo-style, if that is what will help me rack up big points in competitoin. Someone like p-funk, being a bit shorter, as well as training in the oly lifts, must train his deadlifts in the traditional stance, for this is the beginning movement for the snatch and the clean and jerk.
Squats are a no brainer for me, i just wish i had a spotter more often than i do. I think its time to change gyms, i need a hard-core place now, where guys are bigger and stronger than i, and will push me to excel, rather than just move out of the way when i want to use a machine because i sweat through two shirts. I am never going to get my ass out of the hole in a heavy squat without someone there to yell at my big ass and get me pumped. Same with bench.
 
Yanick: i have read that article so many times now, and I feel more confident in what i have been doing as far as squat goes. Ashamedly, i neglect my abs, and this is not great. I wonder how much this has been hindering my squat?
 
Good post! Maybe you need to find some people to w/o with also. Any powerlifting clubs around you? I actually pull less with Sumo style than conventional. I MUST be doing something wrong with it.
 
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