Started my clen. WHOAA

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i just get shaky on that shit, and my heart rate gets up to about 190bpm doing HIIT

 

[sassy69]

I started CEM products T3 Clen and Clomi last week...started this week at twice the amount 150mcg 200mcg 35mg respectively. So far I got nothing. A few tremors the first day or two and that was it.

Well after the fact I guess - but if you're taking 200 mcg of this clen out the gate and not feeling anything? It seems crazily underdosed then. What is the concentration of it (i.e. to make sure you're actually taking what you think you are taking based on the concentration of the liquid)? Have you contacted CEM about that?

And for what its worth, I think 150 mcg of T3 is waaaay overkill.

 

[SFW]

either of you tried EC stack? How does it compare to clen as far as effectiveness/sides etc?

I can tell you from personal experience...Clen and albuterol will raise your core temp higher than ECA will. My normal resting bodytemp is around 97.5-98 degrees. While on clen i am above 99.1 and on ECA, around 98.5.

Clen/albuterol have better thermogenic properties than ECA. So in that respect, they are superior.

But, ECA will blunt your appetite (ideal for cal reduction) and make your workouts more intense. (which will burn more calories)

Its difficult for me to train on clen. Albuterol, i can train on it but i feel off. and my appetite actually increases on clen/albuterol.

So, My personal fav is ECA. The appetite suppression does tend to wear off after the first week. But your core temp will still rise and you'll still have more stamina for cardio and weight training. I also add an aspirin in. Ephedrine realeases norepinepherine and the aspirin tends to sustain the release. It does make a difference imo. Also, ECA tends to improve my mood while clen leaves me very agitated.

 

[ak1951]

Well after the fact I guess - but if you're taking 200 mcg of this clen out the gate and not feeling anything? It seems crazily underdosed then. What is the concentration of it (i.e. to make sure you're actually taking what you think you are taking based on the concentration of the liquid)? Have you contacted CEM about that?

And for what its worth, I think 150 mcg of T3 is waaaay overkill.

As I said before...these are one ml amounts. 150mcg/ml so that is one ml of T3. Same with the clomi one ml @ 35mg/ml so that is 35 mg of clomi and one ml of clen @200mcg/ml. There is no directions for use and I don't even know what the stuff is really because CEM will not tell me. the name implies what it is but it is not real and is simply a made up formula of who knows what that I assume simulates the effects of the branding name. So what is an over dose or under dose of something you don't even know what it is...who knows? But one ml seems pretty minimal to me. There is so little information to extrapolate from and what is there varies so much I can't get a handle on a program/cycle. I am accused of not knowing what I am doing...well DUHHHHH! There is no place to find out! That is why I have been posting...to find out more information. There is nothing to get from CEM because humans are not suppose to be using it. They don't even have an off site to go to for chat with others who are researching. the have no information at all! This whole thing is getting pretty silly to me. This site advertises for CEM and steroid sellers and promotes sales but has restrictions on what can and can't be said so that leaves big holes in information fact finding. I truly hope the laws change one day in support of truth and open information sharing.

 

[jsaild2]

I ran GP Clen up to 160 mcg and didn't feel much. After, I tried a research chem company's clen, and 80 mcg had me shaking like I had tourettes. Lol

 

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Benedryl doesn't work resetting the beta receptors. Keto works a lot better. Ephedrine based stack increases the body metabolism by 3%, clen by 10%. Clen is MUCH more intense on the body, in my experience. The first time I took clen I took 60mcg and I was up for two days and my head felt like it was going to pop off because of the blood pressure. I'm doing only 20mcg a day right now. I can seem to manage that dose.

I agree with this, except I could sleep overall decent. As soon as I got used to my heart pounding.

I really dont buy benadryl cleaning beta-2 receptors, keto yes. And wow when I took keto I could fall asleep anywhere in about 2 mins even on 100-120mcg clen.

 

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Also on clen I get really big strength gains on some hard lifts even with added cardio and a calorie deficit. I was really moving weight around easier than I was a few weeks before when I was eating a lot more and doing almost zero cardio. I also get real shaky for the first few days but it dies down, same with cramps in calves and forearms. Take taurine to help counter.

That said I still prefer ECA for its "clean" feeling. But clen def has a special little place in my heart.