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[exphys88]

i could make a rough estimate about 48 hours after an injection and probably be pretty close to accurate.

Lol

So you've done this and compared your estimate to bloodwork? Being able to tell if it's working or not and knowing if it's dosed accurately are 2 very different things.

There have been many guys that swear about a sponsors gear only to find out its underdosed w blood work. For example, if someone is running 750 mg of some gear and it's actually underdosed and only 400 mg, nobody would be able to determine that w "feel"

 

[Intense]

nothing to you guys maybe, lol. But its not hard to tell if stuff is working if you have experience with the compounds. I can tell within 24-36 hours of an injection whether or not the stuff is good or great.

lol, so you're saying you know if test e is underdosed or dosed properly after 24/36 hours after the first inject? C'mon bro........

plus waiting 7 days to test if your doing a shot every 3 days kind of fucks up the cycle, especially when at 4 weeks, you actually start seeing gains for test.

Not really, test e (should)stay in your system up to 7 days, just hit a bigger dose after that 7 days

 

[hollywoodham]

true, when you are doing high doses, there is no telling. but you do a 200 mg shot of pharma grade test cyp, and then do 200 mg shot next time of something else, it should be fairly easy to tell if its overdosed or underdosed. But of course, its only hearsay at that point, proof is in the bloods, i agree. But asking people to waste their own money to test something out, is asking a fuck of a lot. Escpecially considering that some company's send out some bunk shit and some good shit, or are legit, and then turn scammer. Escpecially when shit is homebrewed, company's make stuff strong and when they got the business, they cut down the dosage a bit. No way to tell for sure, which is why i think its just best to go with the company's that you know have a good reputation for a decent amount of time. Whoever wants the information on whether or not a company is legit, they should test for themselves, then share with the community. We shouldnt be asking people to take risks with their health, that should be something they decide to do on their own.

Lol

So you've done this and compared your estimate to bloodwork? Being able to tell if it's working or not and knowing if it's dosed accurately are 2 very different things.

There have been many guys that swear about a sponsors gear only to find out its underdosed w blood work. For example, if someone is running 750 mg of some gear and it's actually underdosed and only 400 mg, nobody would be able to determine that w "feel"

 

[exphys88]

true, when you are doing high doses, there is no telling. but you do a 200 mg shot of pharma grade test cyp, and then do 200 mg shot next time of something else, it should be fairly easy to tell if its overdosed or underdosed. But of course, its only hearsay at that point, proof is in the bloods, i agree. But asking people to waste their own money to test something out, is asking a fuck of a lot. Escpecially considering that some company's send out some bunk shit and some good shit, or are legit, and then turn scammer. Escpecially when shit is homebrewed, company's make stuff strong and when they got the business, they cut down the dosage a bit. No way to tell for sure, which is why i think its just best to go with the company's that you know have a good reputation for a decent amount of time. Whoever wants the information on whether or not a company is legit, they should test for themselves, then share with the community. We shouldnt be asking people to take risks with their health, that should be something they decide to do on their own.

I don't disagree on sticking w a good company, but most comps last 2-5 years at most and every single good company out there has run into problems at one point or another. Therefore we should be keeping the heat on them to improve their quality control. It's only $50 to test and if you're on trt, it's very easy to run 300 mg/week for 4 weeks to determine the exact dosage. Hell, I spend $50 on one restaurant meal for my family.

 

[hollywoodham]

50 bucks on the test, 40-60 bucks for a vial of gear, 10 dollar minimum shipping. so if its completely bunk, your shit outta luck and down at least 100 bucks, and you just wasted a month of your time doing it. also trt is roughly only 100 mg a week, not many guys on trt prescribed 300 mg, though i understand most do take that much anyhow. how many products have you verified for the community with lab tests?

I don't disagree on sticking w a good company, but most comps last 2-5 years at most and every single good company out there has run into problems at one point or another. Therefore we should be keeping the heat on them to improve their quality control. It's only $50 to test and if you're on trt, it's very easy to run 300 mg/week for 4 weeks to determine the exact dosage. Hell, I spend $50 on one restaurant meal for my family.

 

[exphys88]

50 bucks on the test, 40-60 bucks for a vial of gear, 10 dollar minimum shipping. so if its completely bunk, your shit outta luck and down at least 100 bucks, and you just wasted a month of your time doing it. also trt is roughly only 100 mg a week, not many guys on trt prescribed 300 mg, though i understand most do take that much anyhow. how many products have you verified for the community with lab tests?

I've tested 3 types of test, 5 types of hgh, and probably 4-5 different AIs.

 

[hollywoodham]

damn. i guess i can see why you would want some other people to contribute. lol.

I've tested 3 types of test, 5 types of hgh, and probably 4-5 different AIs.

 

[exphys88]

damn. i guess i can see why you would want some other people to contribute. lol.

I originally started doing it for my own benefit to make sure my gear and ancillaries were legit. Then we started this lab testing section to keep sponsors honest. We've discovered there was a ton of bunk hgh, adex and testosterone around.

 

[hoyle21]

TRT should be a minimum of 200 mgs per week. I still only test at 480 with that dose.

 

[seattleborn]

TRT should be a minimum of 200 mgs per week. I still only test at 480 with that dose.

Damn bro I take 250mg a week and test at 1498 . Are you sure your stuffs legit?

 

[hoyle21]

Damn bro I take 250mg a week and test at 1498 . Are you sure your stuffs legit?

Watson test cyp from rite aid.

 

[seattleborn]

Watson test cyp from rite aid.

Damn. Well at least if you feel good at that dose I guess that's all that really matters

 

[MULCH63]

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/l...testosterone-e-c-results-ongoing-updates.html <---- I am listed, and I know you are, too, as is exphys88, but what about everybody else?

Thanks for stepping up, vicious 13!

As for the rest of you reading, what about you?

I tested RAM a ways back.... Aint hunt'n the link help yourself. Right now pinning some AP and there was a lab on that product already

 

[MULCH63]

nothing to you guys maybe, lol. But its not hard to tell if stuff is working if you have experience with the compounds. I can tell within 24-36 hours of an injection whether or not the stuff is good or great. plus waiting 7 days to test if your doing a shot every 3 days kind of fucks up the cycle, especially when at 4 weeks, you actually start seeing gains for test.

Here the kick in the ass Bro. Are you getting what you paid for. I see guys used to pinning 750mg a week. Then you get ur hands on some 100% on point gear guess what...? NOW ya only need 400/500 mg a week. I personally had this happen also.

 

[Ezskanken]

Exphys are reps allowed to do this? If so I checked out the first post in the "How to test Testosterone" thread, and didn't see any mention of an AI or HCG in the protocol #1. What are your or Heavy's rule on those since both affect total t. I'm cruising on 250mg of AW Cyp right now and wanting to get some bloods done before my winter bulker to see where I'm at. I can easily adjust dosing to 300 for the sake of this thread. I know I have to donate some blood as my last blood work showed elevated RBC, just haven't gotten around to doing so yet ha ha. Thanks for your time bro...

 

[exphys88]

Exphys are reps allowed to do this? If so I checked out the first post in the "How to test Testosterone" thread, and didn't see any mention of an AI or HCG in the protocol #1. What are your or Heavy's rule on those since both affect total t. I'm cruising on 250mg of AW Cyp right now and wanting to get some bloods done before my winter bulker to see where I'm at. I can easily adjust dosing to 300 for the sake of this thread. I know I have to donate some blood as my last blood work showed elevated RBC, just haven't gotten around to doing so yet ha ha. Thanks for your time bro...

no HCG or AI for the protocol. I have no problem with you testing your gear. I wouldn't say that about every rep though.

 

[Ezskanken]

That mean's a lot to me bro, thank you!

 

[hollywoodham]

yeah ive been scammed by some sponsors on this board.

I originally started doing it for my own benefit to make sure my gear and ancillaries were legit. Then we started this lab testing section to keep sponsors honest. We've discovered there was a ton of bunk hgh, adex and testosterone around.

 

[hollywoodham]

now that is straight 100% innacurate. you may test at 480 with that dose, but thats about the maximum most docs will prescribe for trt. not the least.

TRT should be a minimum of 200 mgs per week. I still only test at 480 with that dose.

 

[hollywoodham]

in all honesty, id rather order some bunk ass testosterone, and legit ais, than bunk ass ai's, and legit test. at least you dont get gyno then.

no HCG or AI for the protocol. I have no problem with you testing your gear. I wouldn't say that about every rep though.

 

[exphys88]

in all honesty, id rather order some bunk ass testosterone, and legit ais, than bunk ass ai's, and legit test. at least you dont get gyno then.

Me too.

 

[Digitalash]

Am i allowed to test my own gears and put up results l

 

[Digitalash]

Problem: i think i might get gyno at 300mg a week with no ai, what do i do then?

 

[exphys88]

Am i allowed to test my own gears and put up results l

I don't mind you doing it. Although, you'd be better off having others do it for you IMO.

As for the gyno issue, I don't think there's a way around it, even a serm will raise your t levels.
Interestingly for me, my estradiol stays in the 20s even when my test levels are above 1100.

 

[Ezskanken]

in all honesty, id rather order some bunk ass testosterone, and legit ais, than bunk ass ai's, and legit test. at least you dont get gyno then.

I lol'd, is that okay that was funny even though receiving bunk of either is not...

 

[hollywoodham]

well thats pretty much a conflict of interest right there.

I don't mind you doing it. Although, you'd be better off having others do it for you IMO.

As for the gyno issue, I don't think there's a way around it, even a serm will raise your t levels.
Interestingly for me, my estradiol stays in the 20s even when my test levels are above 1100.

 

[exphys88]

well thats pretty much a conflict of interest right there.

Which is why I suggest having others do it.

 

[Digitalash]

I may get bloods just to see what my estro looks like on 300mg no ai.

 

[hollywoodham]

i wouldnt take the risk in the first place. use an ai, or just test for your own benefit without following their protocol, you can have piece of mind without having to follow the directions of someone else on the board. Like i said in the first place, i think its asking alot for people to risk their health just so everyone else can have some info.

Problem: i think i might get gyno at 300mg a week with no ai, what do i do then?

 

[vicious 13]

My e2 gets pretty high on 300mgs a week