why not deca

[chucky1]

hay guys so im curios to know why i hear so much about "dont use deca in your first cycle"? im a new to real gear im 5 weeks in to my first cycle sust 250 at 500 ew and 400 deca ew i was on h-drol for like 2 week before i started and im seeing killer gains and strength is through the roof. and i love that my joints dont hurt. so why not use deca on first run iv used a 19 nor pro hormone before with crazy results so whats the big deal? oh and sust is whats available ok not my choice or it would be just one test, i know i know and my dick works still

age:27
wght:223lbs
b fat is ?
not to high cuz i got abs ha ha..
im on a bulk not trying to get riped
bench is 365lb
squat is shitty i wont say
and diet is bulk guys but good stuff veggies and white meat and ice creem j/kidding
been in the gym for around 6 years

 

[LAM]

first cycle all you need is 500mg of test a week no need to stack...more isn't always better

 

[VictorZ06]

I love deca! But, I use EQ in it's place. Deca is a powerful substance, and for some....it can be used during a first cycle along with test, granted you meet certain prerequisites. Deca also has lots of sides if not used correctly. That's probably the main reason why many of us don't suggest using deca on a first run (or tren for that matter). Like LAM said, a test only cycle is the best option for a first cycle at 1/2 a gr. a week.

In my case, I don't touch deca anymore because I run tren in all of my cycles. Two 19s at the same time don't float that well together, IMHO.



/V

 

[chucky1]

I love deca! But, I use EQ in it's place. Deca is a powerful substance, and for some....it can be used during a first cycle along with test, granted you meet certain prerequisites. Deca also has lots of sides if not used correctly. That's probably the main reason why many of us don't suggest using deca on a first run (or tren for that matter). Like LAM said, a test only cycle is the best option for a first cycle at 1/2 a gr. a week.

In my case, I don't touch deca anymore because I run tren in all of my cycles. Two 19s at the same time don't float that well together, IMHO.



/V

hay victor your just the one i wanted to see this i really like what you say in the form and i know you know your stuff so could i get some advice should i stop the deca and start tren ha ha or stick it out, what should i be watching out for?

 

[Mujita07]

People always say test only for first so u can see how ur body reacts to the Test. Plus you blow up on ur first do to ur receptors being clean.

 

[chucky1]

People always say test only for first so u can see how ur body reacts to the Test. Plus you blow up on ur first do to ur receptors being clean.

you think thay are clean? i just came of a super drol cycle like a month befor and m1t befor that what do ya think?

 

[LAM]

People always say test only for first so u can see how ur body reacts to the Test. Plus you blow up on ur first do to ur receptors being clean.

exactly...if you start off stacking you never truly know how your body reacts to each

 

[VictorZ06]

hay victor your just the one i wanted to see this i really like what you say in the form and i know you know your stuff so could i get some advice should i stop the deca and start tren ha ha or stick it out, what should i be watching out for?

Thanks for the kind words bro. Since you all ready started and are 5 weeks deep in, I would keep on going. I'm not sure how long you plan on running this cycle, just be sure to stop the deca about 2-3 weeks before you stop taking test. Also, be sure to run an AI....hope you did so from day one. Look out for tender nipples for example, that is a sign for you to bump up you AI dose.



/V

 

[chucky1]

Thanks for the kind words bro. Since you all ready started and are 5 weeks deep in, I would keep on going. I'm not sure how long you plan on running this cycle, just be sure to stop the deca about 2-3 weeks before you stop taking test. Also, be sure to run an AI....hope you did so from day one. Look out for tender nipples for example, that is a sign for you to bump up you AI dose.



/V

cant find hgc thats AI correct? every ones sold out whats next my nips are kind sore nova? ya i know i jumped in to erly i have nova and clomi that ok right hay thanks for lessoning victor your the man

 

[jmorrison]

Hey bro, the board sponsor CEM has liquid Adex/Aromasin and Letro for sale. Thos are all AI's, and delivery is fast.

 

[MDR]

By A/I he is talking about an aromatase inhibitor. Aromasin and arimidex are probably the most popular. Aromasin has some advantages over adex. You can find more posts related to this under the research chemicals. Clomid is best for pct. You are right to trust what Victor says, he has a lot of experience and knowledge.

 

[ROID]

I had excellent results with my first cycle of test and deca .

I think 500mg test alone for a first cycle could disappoint.

 

[chucky1]

I had excellent results with my first cycle of test and deca .

I think 500mg test alone for a first cycle could disappoint.

Yes finilly thanks roid i was hoping to see you on here to

 

[chucky1]

By A/I he is talking about an aromatase inhibitor. Aromasin and arimidex are probably the most popular. Aromasin has some advantages over adex. You can find more posts related to this under the research chemicals. Clomid is best for pct. You are right to trust what Victor says, he has a lot of experience and knowledge.

thats were i got my clomid and nova so i need some more stuff huh thanks for the heads up ill check it out

 

[jmorrison]

No problem. AI's are out of the range of my knowledge, so hopefully a more experienced bro will chime in, but I believe that in terms of strength, they go: Letro, Aromasin, Arimidex.

I do know that you want to go with as little as you can get away with. I have no idea on the dosages for Letro or Aromasin, but Arimidex is usually suggested to go with .5mg EoD and see if that straightens you out, if not go with .5mg ED.

I hope this helps bud.

 

[MDR]

No problem. AI's are out of the range of my knowledge, so hopefully a more experienced bro will chime in, but I believe that in terms of strength, they go: Letro, Aromasin, Arimidex.

I do know that you want to go with as little as you can get away with. I have no idea on the dosages for Letro or Aromasin, but Arimidex is usually suggested to go with .5mg EoD and see if that straightens you out, if not go with .5mg ED.

I hope this helps bud.

Sounds like you know your stuff pretty well to me. I especially like the part about taking as little as is needed. I think letro is overkill in most cases. Aromasin works very well and prevents any rebound. Adex is a lot better than nothing, and a lot of people use it. Good post.

 

[chucky1]

No problem. AI's are out of the range of my knowledge, so hopefully a more experienced bro will chime in, but I believe that in terms of strength, they go: Letro, Aromasin, Arimidex.

I do know that you want to go with as little as you can get away with. I have no idea on the dosages for Letro or Aromasin, but Arimidex is usually suggested to go with .5mg EoD and see if that straightens you out, if not go with .5mg ED.

I hope this helps bud.

sure will thanks man, all you guys have been really cool and a lot of help

 

[lifthvy]

I had excellent results with my first cycle of test and deca .

I think 500mg test alone for a first cycle could disappoint.

While I would have to agree that a test only first cycle is the best advice, this thought occured to me as well, so I'm currently running test c and EQ as a first cycle. I guess I'll see if I made the right decision in another 8 weeks and beyond... Oh, and 50mg proviron ED

 

[G3]

While I would have to agree that a test only first cycle is the best advice, this thought occured to me as well, so I'm currently running test c and EQ as a first cycle. I guess I'll see if I made the right decision in another 8 weeks and beyond... Oh, and 50mg proviron ED

What doses?

 

[chucky1]

cant find hgc thats AI correct? every ones sold out whats next my nips are kind sore nova? ya i know i jumped in to erly i have nova and clomi that ok right hay thanks for lessoning victor your the man

woops sorry guys i keep typing nova but i mean nolva. and im trying to learn all the slang/ abbreviations here so i might sound like a dummy some times. i got AI ED, EOD, GTG, fill me in as time gos by please.

 

[lifthvy]

What doses?

750mg. test
600mg. EQ

 

[G3]

750mg. test
600mg. EQ

Wow. I was thinking of doing
250 test
600 EQ
25mg ED Proviron/10mg Nolva

my next cycle

 

[lifthvy]

^^^ NO. You're gonna want to keep your test dosage higher than your EQ..If anything do 500mg test and 400mg EQ, and don't take nolva with EQ or Deca. (I wouldn't take nolva at all, just me) run clomid.

 

[G3]

^^^ NO. You're gonna want to keep your test dosage higher than your EQ..If anything do 500mg test and 400mg EQ, and don't take nolva with EQ or Deca. (I wouldn't take nolva at all, just me) run clomid.

I know about not mixing nolva with Deca because it's nandrolone but I didn't think EQ had the same problem? Isn't EQ a modified Test??? Are you saying the Test dose higher than EQ dose to avoid libido problems?

 

[MDR]

^^^ NO. You're gonna want to keep your test dosage higher than your EQ..If anything do 500mg test and 400mg EQ, and don't take nolva with EQ or Deca. (I wouldn't take nolva at all, just me) run clomid.

Lifthvy is on the money. Test needs to be higher than EQ or Deca. I wouldn't take Nolva at all, either. Clomid is the way to go for PCT.

 

[VictorZ06]

I agree that test should always be higher than anything that you are running, the thing with EQ is that you need large doses for long periods of time (so that's why I wouldn't recommend EQ to a novice user).

Some guys need at least 600mg+ to get anything going. I for one use/need about a gram a week, and my test dose is just a bit higher.


/V

 

[Saney]

I'm on my first cycle ever and i'm running 500 Test and next injection i'll be at 250mgs of Tren... I'm in a hurry, i plan on dying in a few months

 

[chucky1]

I'm on my first cycle ever and i'm running 500 Test and next injection i'll be at 250mgs of Tren... I'm in a hurry, i plan on dying in a few months

why is that?

 

[Saney]

Might go on a killing spree and die by the hands of the Po Po?

 

[blergs.]

test onyl first cycle would be best but at very least i rec run the deca WITH test ALWAYS.