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[brogers]

Considering the wonderful, kind, and unselfish things that millions of Christians do on a daily basis whether it be through their church, a charity, or anything they do as individuals to help others, the elimination of religion as you so desire would be an awful thing. Millions of people are helped through Christian organizations every year. The people who twist their beliefs to support violence or prejudice are the extreme minority. You are blinded by your hatred and see only the side that you want to see.

 

[bio-chem]

Considering the wonderful, kind, and unselfish things that millions of Christians do on a daily basis whether it be through their church, a charity, or anything they do as individuals to help others, the elimination of religion as you so desire would be an awful thing. Millions of people are helped through Christian organizations every year. The people who twist their beliefs to support violence or prejudice are the extreme minority. You are blinded by your hatred and see only the side that you want to see.

 

[GFR]

Considering the wonderful, kind, and unselfish things that millions of Christians do on a daily basis whether it be through their church, a charity, or anything they do as individuals to help others, the elimination of religion as you so desire would be an awful thing. Millions of people are helped through Christian organizations every year. The people who twist their beliefs to support violence or prejudice are the extreme minority. You are blinded by your hatred and see only the side that you want to see.

Like burning witches, and torture..the papal inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition,,,,am I forgetting any others, disobeying their own bible and baptizing baby's and forbidding meat....2 things Jesus said was the sign of a false religion,ummmmm ok invading Mexico and forcing the native Indian people to pray to their God....I could name dozens of countries but whats the point.....ummmm....wielding a unforgiving and self important hand in the political world.....Help me people I'm about to puke

 

[min0 lee]

Like burning witches, and torture..the papal inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition,,,,am I forgetting any others, disobeying their own bible and baptizing baby's and forbidding meat....2 things Jesus said was the sign of a false religion,ummmmm ok invading Mexico and forcing the native Indian people to pray to their God....I could name dozens of countries but whats the point.....ummmm....wielding a unforgiving and self important hand in the political world.....Help me people I'm about to puke

It has taught me that life is beautiful and all types of people are worthwhile to know. It has freed me from the judge mental and hateful ways of almost all organized religions.

I believe in God but not in organized religion. I respect all of your beliefs but you can't hide the facts. Tell me if all that stuff that Foreman posted above is not true.

I can remember when I was 10 years old my 13 year old half sister was having an affair with my stepfather and when I told my mother she didn't know what to do or who to believe, what did she do? She went to our religious neighbors for help....what a joke.
Their way of solving this was to have me and my half sister put our hands on the bible and swear on it, I don't know what that proved but they said I lied about the whole thing. Why because I was nervous holding the bible......oh man I was a baby and my stepfather was threatening to kill me and abuse my other sisters, how else am I going to act.
Well lo and behold they decided I needed to cleanse my soul, they made me go to their church and everyone in church looked at me like I was shit and I'll never forget that feeling of being wrongly jugded.

Anyway my Mother finally caught them and I was finally vindicated but it was too late, I didn't give a dog crap anymore.
The bastard stabbed my Mother in the back but she was OK, the sad thing is that all my sisters cried like crazy but I stood there deadly calm like nothing happened.....don't know why cause I do love my mother but.. I guess I have no soul.

I shouldn't have posted this stuff, it's a bit personal but I see alot of wrong with organized religion and no one is doing a thing about it.

You guys think this stuff the catholic priests do just happened yesterday.....wake up.

How many old folks have been swindled out of there life savings from a preacher they looked up to.

Organized religion is just a business......

I used to pray to God at night.....


Go ahead and Judge me....again

Life is bigger It's bigger than you
And you are not me
The lengths that I will go to
The distance in your eyes
Oh no I've said too much
I set it up

That's me in the corner
That's me in the spotlight
Losing my religion
Trying to keep up with you
And I don't know if I can do it
Oh no I've said too much
I haven't said enough

 

[bio-chem]

how sad. on so many levels

 

[min0 lee]

Sorry, I was just a kid.

 

[bio-chem]

i didnt mean for anything you did. i meant that you had to experience that among other things

 

[min0 lee]

I went through a lot more at a young age.
I am just glad that the dirtbag didn't harm my younger sister's, but he put me through mental hell though.

 

[god hand]

Like burning witches, and torture..the papal inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition,,,,am I forgetting any others, disobeying their own bible and baptizing baby's and forbidding meat....2 things Jesus said was the sign of a false religion,ummmmm ok invading Mexico and forcing the native Indian people to pray to their God....I could name dozens of countries but whats the point.....ummmm....wielding a unforgiving and self important hand in the political world.....Help me people I'm about to puke

Okay your right, so what? The key is to make everybody in the world Christians. How, many Christians were there in America 500 years ago? How many are there now?

 

[Witmaster]

Go ahead and Judge me....again

Not even. No way.

Posting such intimate details from your childhood was both bold and brave. Thank you for sharing.

I won't even beging to speculate as to why your "religious neighbors" elected to have you place your hands on the Bible and Swear an oath. I am sorry for the pain and shame caused to you by the ignorant and narrow-minded faculties who felt it was necessarly to publicly "cleanse" you in the church. All these are reasons why I do not subscribe to "Organized Religious Denominations".

I applaude your strength for having overcome such trying circumstances at so young an age. You should be a crisis counselor.

 

[Witmaster]

How, many Christians were there in America 500 years ago? How many are there now?

Uh......... there was no America 500 years ago.

 

[Witmaster]

Like burning witches, and torture..the papal inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition,,,,am I forgetting any others, disobeying their own bible and baptizing baby's and forbidding meat....2 things Jesus said was the sign of a false religion,ummmmm ok invading Mexico and forcing the native Indian people to pray to their God....I could name dozens of countries but whats the point.....ummmm....wielding a unforgiving and self important hand in the political world.....Help me people I'm about to puke

Feel free to puke if it helps. You only have yourself to blame.

What we have here is a clear example of someone who is steadfastly opposed to the Christian Faith, so much so that all he can see is the evil of mankind commited throughout history in the name of religion.

It's no secret that crimes against humanity have been commited by all sorts of self-proclaimed "religious groups". And each and every one of the offenders will stand judgement for it. God is not mocked.

Now we could follow your narrow-minded logic and point to all the attrocities commited by NON-Christian people and deduct that all non-christians are evil, vile, self-serving pieces of shit. However, most of us are a tad bit more mature than that and recognize that (to use the old phrase) "throwing the baby out with the bath water" is not the solution.

 

[John H.]

if there is no bad then there is no good. no hate then conversely no love. there just is a bunch of zombies running around that all do the same things with no diversity. we are here on this earth to learn good and evil. the greatest gift God gave us was our ability to choose for ourselves what we wanted in this life. God did not create bad. he lets it happen so that we may gain wisdom, experience, and knowlege.

john i would think you of all people would be happy he has given us diversity and does let us choose for ourselves whether we want to accept the good or the bad, the right or the wrong. we must just realize that there are consequences for our actions and choices we make. hence he rewards us for choosing the path he would want for us and we are penalized when we choose contrary to his will for us.

john i really hope that you try and read this with understanding. i realize because it is coming from me you will probably disregard it off right, but that is just how it is.

Bio:

It is your type that are against diversity - variety. You seem to have a total lack of any understanding of its existance and importance and meaning and purpose(s) in life and in living. You say it all the time and use your Bible as your "authority" totally disregarding ALL other FACTS as THEY ARE especially in Nature and the Natural World. You (meaning those as yourself also) ONLY consider ONLY what YOU want to consider and dismiss all other information that may be to the contrary of your "thinking"... And utilize that Bible to beat over others' heads' your "thinking" which IS MAN-MADE. You have little or no objectivity and certainly lack open-mindedness.

God created everything. So we are told. You can not just dismiss what you "think" He may or may not have created and only pick out certain things. And it is your "beliefs" based on what you learn from your "religion" - which is Man made - that have you "thinking" what is "right" or "wrong".

When you are speaking of "consequences of your actions" I hope you will realize and remember that those who are "on your side" of your "thinking" will also suffer the consequences of your actions. Or inaction.

I really feel that those of you (likeminded persons) who feel as you do are drowning in your created and self-imposed tunnel-vision.

John H.

 

[John H.]

Considering the wonderful, kind, and unselfish things that millions of Christians do on a daily basis whether it be through their church, a charity, or anything they do as individuals to help others, the elimination of religion as you so desire would be an awful thing. Millions of people are helped through Christian organizations every year. The people who twist their beliefs to support violence or prejudice are the extreme minority. You are blinded by your hatred and see only the side that you want to see.

Brogers,

Perhaps it is you that is blinded and only see what you want to see.

A hell of a lot of misery in this world IS ROOTED IN RELIGION. Now and in the past and I suspect will always be. The evidence IS THERE if you will willingly open your eyes WIDE. If you have never been the focus of that you certainly would not ever see it or be willing to acknowledge it. You would only look out for yourself as so many do.

Are there those that do help others - yes, I am sure. Many though are only joining a "club" to "socialize" and "be accepted" - not be somehow "left out" and whatever it takes to "be accepted" they do without any regard to facts as they ARE. And to somehow feel better about themselves. Not really taking an honest and concerted effort to SOLVE...

John H.

 

[John H.]

Like burning witches, and torture..the papal inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition,,,,am I forgetting any others, disobeying their own bible and baptizing baby's and forbidding meat....2 things Jesus said was the sign of a false religion,ummmmm ok invading Mexico and forcing the native Indian people to pray to their God....I could name dozens of countries but whats the point.....ummmm....wielding a unforgiving and self important hand in the political world.....Help me people I'm about to puke

Hi Foreman,

... AND we are told God ONLY appeared to Moses - no one else - and that His ONLY commandment and desire was that ALL people treat each other well - nothing more. Yet look at how many "religious types" are at the SOURCE of the world's misery and murder and hatred and bigotry....

The "religious types" can not even be faithful to God's ONLY and ONE COMMANDMENT AND DESIRE... But they sure can dream up many many others and lay their source at God's doorstep... And "damn" and persecute....

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

I believe in God but not in organized religion. I respect all of your beliefs but you can't hide the facts. Tell me if all that stuff that Foreman posted above is not true.

I can remember when I was 10 years old my 13 year old half sister was having an affair with my stepfather and when I told my mother she didn't know what to do or who to believe, what did she do? She went to our religious neighbors for help....what a joke.
Their way of solving this was to have me and my half sister put our hands on the bible and swear on it, I don't know what that proved but they said I lied about the whole thing. Why because I was nervous holding the bible......oh man I was a baby and my stepfather was threatening to kill me and abuse my other sisters, how else am I going to act.
Well lo and behold they decided I needed to cleanse my soul, they made me go to their church and everyone in church looked at me like I was shit and I'll never forget that feeling of being wrongly jugded.

Anyway my Mother finally caught them and I was finally vindicated but it was too late, I didn't give a dog crap anymore.
The bastard stabbed my Mother in the back but she was OK, the sad thing is that all my sisters cried like crazy but I stood there deadly calm like nothing happened.....don't know why cause I do love my mother but.. I guess I have no soul.

I shouldn't have posted this stuff, it's a bit personal but I see alot of wrong with organized religion and no one is doing a thing about it.

You guys think this stuff the catholic priests do just happened yesterday.....wake up.

How many old folks have been swindled out of there life savings from a preacher they looked up to.

Organized religion is just a business......

I used to pray to God at night.....


Go ahead and Judge me....again

Hi minO,

You certainly show some of what "religion" has done. And is doing even today. And they will be the first to beat themselves on their chests as so "righteous" and "clean" and "pure" and "godly"...

I too have no use for "religion" WHICH IS MAN-MADE. I do believe in God (or the Great Spirit or Whoever you wish to call Him) but NEVER "religion. Nor do I subsribe to their teachings.

Fortunately not everyone in this world is bad - but is sure seems like it from time to time....

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

Okay your right, so what? The key is to make everybody in the world Christians. How, many Christians were there in America 500 years ago? How many are there now?

god hand,

I don't think so!

Given the history of "christians".

So you are now saying that the only "religion" must be "christian"? That no other "religion" is or may be right?

This country was FAR better off without "christians" 500 years ago. Look what they did to the American Indians. And "in the name of God"...

John H.

 

[John H.]

Feel free to puke if it helps. You only have yourself to blame.

What we have here is a clear example of someone who is steadfastly opposed to the Christian Faith, so much so that all he can see is the evil of mankind commited throughout history in the name of religion.

It's no secret that crimes against humanity have been commited by all sorts of self-proclaimed "religious groups". And each and every one of the offenders will stand judgement for it. God is not mocked.

Now we could follow your narrow-minded logic and point to all the attrocities commited by NON-Christian people and deduct that all non-christians are evil, vile, self-serving pieces of shit. However, most of us are a tad bit more mature than that and recognize that (to use the old phrase) "throwing the baby out with the bath water" is not the solution.

Hi Witmaster,

I for one feel this world would be much better off WITHOUT ANY "religion". Remember they ARE MAN-MADE.

And along with that the elimination of abuse of anyone especially children - and politics.

As far as I am concerned they are each in the same "basket"... And guilty of the same. And worthless.

Take Care, John H.

 

[god hand]

Uh......... there was no America 500 years ago.

North America, South America! Whatever the fuck u want to called it! The fucking land the Indians lived on! Dont get smart!

 

[god hand]

god hand,

I don't think so!

Given the history of "christians".

So you are now saying that the only "religion" must be "christian"? That no other "religion" is or may be right?

This country was FAR better off without "christians" 500 years ago. Look what they did to the American Indians. And "in the name of God"...

John H.

Thats not the point I'm trying to make. Eventually, every part of this world will become Christian. Before america was discovered, there was not one christian on this land north or south. 500 years later, christianty is the main religion practice in both americas. You cant disagree with history! Look a europe and all the kingdoms that has past, Rome, Greece, etc. They was either non christian or anti-christian. Look at europe now......So what your ancestors kill off all the Indians! Does that make u sad? I'm sorry they killed a whole bunch of pagan worshipers.

 

[GFR]

Feel free to puke if it helps. You only have yourself to blame.

What we have here is a clear example of someone who is steadfastly opposed to the Christian Faith, so much so that all he can see is the evil of mankind commited throughout history in the name of religion.

It's no secret that crimes against humanity have been commited by all sorts of self-proclaimed "religious groups". And each and every one of the offenders will stand judgement for it. God is not mocked.

Now we could follow your narrow-minded logic and point to all the attrocities commited by NON-Christian people and deduct that all non-christians are evil, vile, self-serving pieces of shit. However, most of us are a tad bit more mature than that and recognize that (to use the old phrase) "throwing the baby out with the bath water" is not the solution.

Thats a sad argument or comment Wit. There is little or nothing more narrow minded then Christians and many other religions logic. I pointed to about 1% of the atrocities of the Christians committed not all. Maturity is not turning your back to the truth and the " organized Christian religion" is very evil and not just in their history ( which is rich in blood and intolerance) but by their currant actions and laws. It's clear you can't see above the trees, and that what you were taught to believe, is all you believe. The next time you try to defend such an ugly religion try not to curse and make fun of the other persons comments.....Kind of proves my point for me.

 

[god hand]

god hand,


So you are now saying that the only "religion" must be "christian"? That no other "religion" is or may be right?

John H.

Damn right thats what I'm saying! And it will be overtime.

 

[god hand]

god hand,

And "in the name of God"...

John H.

Oh please! Dont give me this bullshit anymore! U already know what the damn Spaniards wanted when they came over here! Y havent u yet understood that every christian (or person that believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins) isnt gonna act Holy! Shit even Hitler believed in Jesus! Do u think that was gonna make him stop doing evil? Hell no!

 

[irontime]

Damn right thats what I'm saying! And it will be overtime.

Alright buddy, i'm getting kinda sick of you sucking yourself off.

Ponder this, the bible clearly states that god knows everything that is going to happen before it happens, it also states that god created everything. So putting the two facts together then god knew what would happen when he created Satan, he knew what would happen to Adam and Eve when he first put the tree there, he knew a thousand years ago that I would be typing this. So if that's the case then he created everything to happen the way it did. He created Satan to sin, he made it so that his son would have to get tortured, he planned out every rape, murder, and shitty thing that has happened if the bible you are beating off is true.

So if your god in your bible is true, then he is the biggest piece of shit I ever heard about.

 

[SuperFlex]

Heterosexual

130 88.44%

Cool... There's hope for this board afterall...

 

[Witmaster]

Thats a sad argument or comment Wit. There is little or nothing more narrow minded then Christians and many other religions logic. I pointed to about 1% of the atrocities of the Christians committed not all. Maturity is not turning your back to the truth and the " organized Christian religion" is very evil and not just in their history ( which is rich in blood and intolerance) but by their currant actions and laws. It's clear you can't see above the trees, and that what you were taught to believe, is all you believe. The next time you try to defend such an ugly religion try not to curse and make fun of the other persons comments.....Kind of proves my point for me.

Actually, all it proves is how blinded by hate you really are.

You speak so vehemently against "Religion". I couldn't agree more. I Speak of "Faith" which, somehow, you equate to mean the same as Religion. There's a difference.

Religion is created by man for the benifit of man. It is a structured form of beliefs that dictate to others what is true and correct to believe. Religion is (often) twisted and corrupted to provide self-serving individuals with power and posession.

Faith is the inner witness to convictions and beliefs that a person lives by. Not a "written code" (although people do choose to verbalize thier convictions through written text). Faith is the inner quickening that enables a believer in Christ to ACTUALLY believe. Without true faith, you could never comprehend this.

You claim to think that I cannot see the forrest through the trees and yet it is YOU who insist on calling all christians "evil" simply based upon your predications that we are all somehow responsible for the attrocities commited by others. You claim that all christianity is "evil". How unbelievably ironic that you would say such things about the one Man who died for you (Jesus Christ).

I'm not looking to convert you here. That's God's business. I suppose that somewhere along the way you were seriously wounded by "religion" in some manner and that is the source of your hatred.


Regardless,

Happy Birthday. Jesus Loves You.

 

[Witmaster]

Alright buddy, i'm getting kinda sick of you sucking yourself off.

Ponder this, the bible clearly states that god knows everything that is going to happen before it happens, it also states that god created everything. So putting the two facts together then god knew what would happen when he created Satan, he knew what would happen to Adam and Eve when he first put the tree there, he knew a thousand years ago that I would be typing this. So if that's the case then he created everything to happen the way it did. He created Satan to sin, he made it so that his son would have to get tortured, he planned out every rape, murder, and shitty thing that has happened if the bible you are beating off is true.

So if your god in your bible is true, then he is the biggest piece of shit I ever heard about.

IT,
PLEASE don't think that god hand is speaking for the rest of us.

I do understand your arguement. I once held an identical view myself. But ponder this...

Isn't it amazing that God, in his infinite wisdom and knowledge, KNOWING IN ADVANCE that we would all fall from grace and sin (some more than others) still allows us to live and enjoy the blessings of life when He has every right to obliterate us from existance.

I deserve death for the things I have done in my life and yet God chooses to give me one opportunity after the next to enjoy the blessings of this life and share them with others.

That's some crazy shit, isn't it?

 

[irontime]

Hey Wit,

no problem, I completely understand that he doesn't speak for the rest of you and lately I've been trying to stay out of conversations like this one, he was just gettin on my nerves the way he was talking down to people.

And you are completely entitled to your opinion and I wouldn't want to even try to change it. I just went the opposite way you did, I was religious, did a lot of study and ended up at that conclusion To each their own I guess. I could argue back that he allows us to live each and every day for the sake of his own amusement guess we'll never know.

On that note I think I'll try to stay out of this topic, it seems to go on pointlessly until a mod shuts it down adios

 

[GFR]

Actually, all it proves is how blinded by hate you really are.

You speak so vehemently against "Religion". I couldn't agree more. I Speak of "Faith" which, somehow, you equate to mean the same as Religion. There's a difference.

Religion is created by man for the benifit of man. It is a structured form of beliefs that dictate to others what is true and correct to believe. Religion is (often) twisted and corrupted to provide self-serving individuals with power and posession.

Faith is the inner witness to convictions and beliefs that a person lives by. Not a "written code" (although people do choose to verbalize thier convictions through written text). Faith is the inner quickening that enables a believer in Christ to ACTUALLY believe. Without true faith, you could never comprehend this.

You claim to think that I cannot see the forrest through the trees and yet it is YOU who insist on calling all christians "evil" simply based upon your predications that we are all somehow responsible for the attrocities commited by others. You claim that all christianity is "evil". How unbelievably ironic that you would say such things about the one Man who died for you (Jesus Christ).

I'm not looking to convert you here. That's God's business. I suppose that somewhere along the way you were seriously wounded by "religion" in some manner and that is the source of your hatred.


Regardless,

Happy Birthday. Jesus Loves You.

1.Please point out where I said anything about faith............Nope I didn't think so...Please dint twist my words to make your point look better, thats just wrong.
2. Please point out where I said ALL Christians were evil.......Nope I didn't say that either...Get real do you even have a point other than spinning.
3. Yes the history of many Religions is filled with evil acts in every generation...Not just the Christians.
4. Yes I do hate anything that: tortures, murders, oppresses, lies, and forces unwanted change on any culture or people.
5. Your opinions of what Jesus did or didn't do, certainly don't reflect in most of the Religions that " follow his teachings"
6. It is sad that you need to lie about what I have said, and use the words "hatred" and " seriously hurt", to attempt to tear me down or belittle my opinions. Just another example of your inability to accept others without judgments or anger....I do hope you learn to represent what you believe in a honest and non judge mental way some day.

 

[Vieope]

Ponder this, the bible clearly states that god knows everything that is going to happen before it happens, it also states that god created everything..

God made the best deal ever. It goes like that:
If you did something good, helped somebody then that is because he meant that way.

If you mess up, if you did something terribly wrong, then that is because of your free will.

Hooray for God.