Your Sexuality?

[John H.]

god hand,

It is kinda far back - you'll have to remind me what this was about.

John H.

 

[John H.]

U have no reason to be sorry. U have made your point and cant nobody prove u wrong. U have earned my respect by proving that fag John H wrong.

god hand,

"...proving that fag..."?

Your words are spoken like a "true christian". It would probably BE the VERY BEST Sex you ever had...

Tell me god hand, when exactly did Christ HIMSELF - or God too for that matter - ever one time ever say anything about BiSexual and/or Homosexual people being somehow wrong?

You'll find after careful checking THEY NEVER DID - NOT ONE TIME.

Perhaps if you tried something different you'd have a different point of view. The more you say you're not the more I wonder if you really wonder yourself about yourself. BE TRUTHFUL to YOURSELF FIRST. Then you can be truthful to all others. If you are BiSexual or Homosexual realize God made you too and wants that for you. It is never wrong and nothing ever to be ashamed of or be or have any guilt for. Like all things in life and living there is VARIETY - VARIATION. You - and anyone else - can NEVER change THAT FACT.

ALWAYS REMEMBER - NEVER use others and NEVER allow them to use you! CARE HONESTLY ABOUT THOSE YOU ARE WITH. And respect each other.

John H.



John H.

 

[god hand]

god hand,

"...proving that fag..."?

Your words are spoken like a "true christian". It would probably BE the VERY BEST Sex you ever had...

Tell me god hand, when exactly did Christ HIMSELF - or God too for that matter - ever one time ever say anything about BiSexual and/or Homosexual people being somehow wrong?

You'll find after careful checking THEY NEVER DID - NOT ONE TIME.

Perhaps if you tried something different you'd have a different point of view. The more you say you're not the more I wonder if you really wonder yourself about yourself. BE TRUTHFUL to YOURSELF FIRST. Then you can be truthful to all others. If you are BiSexual or Homosexual realize God made you too and wants that for you. It is never wrong and nothing ever to be ashamed of or be or have any guilt for. Like all things in life and living there is VARIETY - VARIATION. You - and anyone else - can NEVER change THAT FACT.

ALWAYS REMEMBER - NEVER use others and NEVER allow them to use you! CARE HONESTLY ABOUT THOSE YOU ARE WITH. And respect each other.

John H.



John H.

They didnt have to say it was wrong! I didnt hear anthing about them saying human/animal sex (damn I cant remember the word! I know it start with a B!) was wrong either. So I guess theres nothing wrong with that either?

 

[John H.]

They didnt have to say it was wrong! I didnt hear anthing about them saying human/animal sex (damn I cant remember the word! I know it start with a B!) was wrong either. So I guess theres nothing wrong with that either?

god hand,

My point IS that since THEY BOTH NEVER SAID ONE WORD about it being somehow wrong to be a BiSexual or Homosexual Human Being and to follow through on that then who has any "authority" to make such a statement since God AND Christ NEVER DID THEMSELVES.

And each of the Sexualities does exist in Nature and the Natural world of which human beings are a part. God did create Nature and the Natural world.

John H.

 

[bio-chem]

god hand,

My point IS that since THEY BOTH NEVER SAID ONE WORD about it being somehow wrong to be a BiSexual or Homosexual Human Being and to follow through on that then who has any "authority" to make such a statement since God AND Christ NEVER DID THEMSELVES.

And each of the Sexualities does exist in Nature and the Natural world of which human beings are a part. God did create Nature and the Natural world.

John H.

must we go over this again john. your arguement is tired and useless. just because it happens in nature does not mean it is acceptable in society. whether or not you believe in God or not. one thing all societies have in common throughout history is that murder is not acceptable. the definition of murder has varied slightly throughout history yet, it is generally accepted in any culture to be fundamentally wrong. however in the animal kingdom it is a way of life and part of an animals sphere.

i have ginen a counter example to your theory proving it is useless and irrelavant yet you will hold on to it like a child holds on to a baby blanket for comfort long after the use has retired. i would expect nothing less from one as close minded about fundamental truths as yourself. but go ahead make your token post about how you stand behind every word you typed because they are true.

 

[bio-chem]

god hand,

My point IS that since THEY BOTH NEVER SAID ONE WORD about it being somehow wrong to be a BiSexual or Homosexual Human Being and to follow through on that then who has any "authority" to make such a statement since God AND Christ NEVER DID THEMSELVES.

And each of the Sexualities does exist in Nature and the Natural world of which human beings are a part. God did create Nature and the Natural world.

John H.

it says in the bible that if all the words of Jesus were recorded there would not be enough room in all of the earth to hold them. The bible is a snapshot of the works of Jesus Christ and his apostles and prophets it was never intended to be all inclusive. show me john in any sources outside of the bible that show at any time in Judeo-Christian history where the Gods children following the church established by Jesus Christ accepted homosexuality in any shape or form. you cant because it never happened. Its wrong and is a sin, just like any other sin out there. cheating, stealing, or whatever. but you can continue to lie to yourself in order to hide the guilt you undoubtedly feel even from yourself.

 

[irontime]

Comming from a bunch of christians I can't believe that none of you have ever read this
'Any man who lays with another man shall not inherit my kingdom'
Or something like that. It's been a while since I looked at the thing

 

[bio-chem]

Comming from a bunch of christians I can't believe that none of you have ever read this
'Any man who lays with another man shall not inherit my kingdom'
Or something like that. It's been a while since I looked at the thing

whether we have read it or not is irrelavant. quoting it to john h is also a waste of time. i have no presumptions that john will change his beliefs or come to an understanding of how it is. he is more than free to believe as he wishes in my book, however i will show the absurity of his posts when he starts to preach anti-religion. when john begins with "Christians believe this, and christians do that" speach i write the truth so that others may understand the gospel acording to john h is about as accurate as that of charles manson. i find it comical that he feels he knows my beliefs better than i do. comical and absurd.

 

[Witmaster]

Comming from a bunch of christians I can't believe that none of you have ever read this
'Any man who lays with another man shall not inherit my kingdom'
Or something like that. It's been a while since I looked at the thing

I wouldn't go so far as to say that "none of us have ever read..." these scriptures. They just haven't been quoted yet. So, since you brought it up...

Leviticus 18:22-24a - "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. You shall not have sexual relations with any animal and defile yourself with it, nor shall any woman give herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it: it is perversion. Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways"

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them."
Romans 1:26-27: "For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10: "Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites [Greek, "arsenokoitai" - homosexuals] thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers--none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."
1 Timothy 1:9-10: "This means understanding that the law is laid down not for the innocent but for the lawless and disobedient, for the godless and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their father or mother, for murderers, fornicators, sodomites [Greek, "arsenokoitai" - homosexuals], slave traders, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching."

 

[god hand]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that "none of us have ever read..." these scriptures. They just haven't been quoted yet. So, since you brought it up...

Leviticus 18:22-24a - "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. You shall not have sexual relations with any animal and defile yourself with it, nor shall any woman give herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it: it is perversion. Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways"

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them."
Romans 1:26-27: "For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10: "Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites [Greek, "arsenokoitai" - homosexuals] thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers--none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."
1 Timothy 1:9-10: "This means understanding that the law is laid down not for the innocent but for the lawless and disobedient, for the godless and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their father or mother, for murderers, fornicators, sodomites [Greek, "arsenokoitai" - homosexuals], slave traders, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching."

WO! Witmaster, I think u might just have ended this thread.

 

[bio-chem]

WO! Witmaster, I think u might just have ended this thread.

you underestimate the ability of john to deny the sun is shining when he is getting a sun burn. but i like your energy and enthusiasm

 

[maniclion]

" Adam and Eve were put in a garden where everything was lovely and there were no weeds to hoe down. They were allowed to stay there on one condition, and that is that they didn't eat of the tree of knowledge. That has been the condition of the Christian church from then until now. They haven't eaten as yet, as a rule they do not."

 

[god hand]

you underestimate the ability of john to deny the sun is shining when he is getting a sun burn.

Okay, this is like the funniest shit...this shit is so funny that its not funny then funny again. Damn bio, I cant even rate how funny this shit is. Everytime I think about this I get that laughing feeling inside.

 

[GFR]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that "none of us have ever read..." these scriptures. They just haven't been quoted yet. So, since you brought it up...

Leviticus 18:22-24a - "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. You shall not have sexual relations with any animal and defile yourself with it, nor shall any woman give herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it: it is perversion. Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways"

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them."
Romans 1:26-27: "For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10: "Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites [Greek, "arsenokoitai" - homosexuals] thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers--none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."
1 Timothy 1:9-10: "This means understanding that the law is laid down not for the innocent but for the lawless and disobedient, for the godless and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their father or mother, for murderers, fornicators, sodomites [Greek, "arsenokoitai" - homosexuals], slave traders, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching."

It would seem that women can have sex with other women, it's just the men who cant be gay......Right on Jesus...He loves lesbian sex too

 

[Witmaster]

It would seem that women can have sex with other women, it's just the men who cant be gay......Right on Jesus...He loves lesbian sex too

Yea, and Good Ole Paul wrote one just for you too:
Rom 1:22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

 

[GFR]

Yea, and Good Ole Paul wrote one just for you too:
Rom 1:22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

A fool who loves hot lesbian sex

 

[Witmaster]

A fool who loves hot lesbian sex

LMAO! No harm, no foul I guess.

 

[bio-chem]

It would seem that women can have sex with other women, it's just the men who cant be gay......Right on Jesus...He loves lesbian sex too

did you not read the Romans quote about both women and men???

 

[GFR]

did you not read the Romans quote about both women and men???

Yes I did and it in no way says women on women is wrong.....I love the lord

 

[John H.]

must we go over this again john. your arguement is tired and useless. just because it happens in nature does not mean it is acceptable in society. whether or not you believe in God or not. one thing all societies have in common throughout history is that murder is not acceptable. the definition of murder has varied slightly throughout history yet, it is generally accepted in any culture to be fundamentally wrong. however in the animal kingdom it is a way of life and part of an animals sphere.

i have ginen a counter example to your theory proving it is useless and irrelavant yet you will hold on to it like a child holds on to a baby blanket for comfort long after the use has retired. i would expect nothing less from one as close minded about fundamental truths as yourself. but go ahead make your token post about how you stand behind every word you typed because they are true.

Bio:

I guess we have to. You apparently can not separate the topics. And as to similarity, there really is none, except for the existance of things. And their existance naturally does not automatically make whatever good or evil just because some MAN "says so" or "not"...

You keep trying to confuse the topic by bringing other areas into it.

What does murder have to do with a person's Sexuality? NOTHING. Murder and Sex are two different topics.

You can NOT refute the FACT that God HIMSELF and Christ HIMSELF NEVER SAID ONE WORD against BiSexuality and Homosexuality. And that, along with Heterosexuality, EACH DO EXIST NATURALLY IN NATURE AND THE NATURAL WORLD. Your stating others things such as murder have nothing to do with Sex and Sexuality of people. Murder is an entirely different subject. A person who is Heterosexual or BiSexual or Homosexual does not post a threat to others. Their Sexuality is simply a variation NATURE INTENDS TO BE as with other things in life and living such as the color of a person's skin, different types of trees, flowers, etc. and the list goes on.... It is a naturally occurring gift from God. Murder is the ultimate harming of another. See the BIG difference?

You speak of "token post(s)". I made a statement THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. A person's Sexuality. The murder of someone is entirely in a different category. You are the one who is confused and holding on to a "baby blanket" because you refuse to SEE, UNDERSTAND, AND ACKNOWLEDGE, and KNOW ALL ABOUT the RIGHTNESS of variety and variation in life - which EXISTS ALL AROUND US - and even within each of us.

John H.

 

[god hand]

Bio:
You can NOT refute the FACT that God HIMSELF and Christ HIMSELF NEVER SAID ONE WORD against BiSexuality and Homosexuality.John H.

They didnt have to, their folllowers said it for them.

 

[John H.]

it says in the bible that if all the words of Jesus were recorded there would not be enough room in all of the earth to hold them. The bible is a snapshot of the works of Jesus Christ and his apostles and prophets it was never intended to be all inclusive. show me john in any sources outside of the bible that show at any time in Judeo-Christian history where the Gods children following the church established by Jesus Christ accepted homosexuality in any shape or form. you cant because it never happened. Its wrong and is a sin, just like any other sin out there. cheating, stealing, or whatever. but you can continue to lie to yourself in order to hide the guilt you undoubtedly feel even from yourself.

Bio:

The Bible is the work of MAN. It IS MAN-MADE. And now you are telling me it is a "snapshot". I could just as easily - from my viewpoint since you are using your viewpoint and so to have balance - SAY that because not all Jesus "said" is not recorded and SAY that people LIKE YOU who are against BiSexuality and Homosexuality, CHRIST SAID - but it was not "recorded" in the Bible - NOT to bring harm on those who are BiSexual and Homosexual. And that they are just as right being BiSexual and Homosexual as someone who is Heterosexual. I am NOT putting words into the Mouth of Jesus or God like so many "religious types" seem to like to do.

Let's assume your saying that "..if all the words of Jesus were recorded..." is true. What you FAIL to see is that IF BiSexuality and Homosexuality were somehow wrong Jesus WOULD HAVE SAID SO - and MANY TIMES - He had 32 years of opportunity AND NEVER ONE TIME DID. I am SURE He did not "forget" or that everyone somehow "forgot" to RECORD that FACT IF HE DID SAY SO. He certainly had a lot to say - we are told - about a LOT of other things. I am sure He did not forget and I am sure no one failed to "mention HIS SO SAYING... Given all the energy some "religions" like to put on this subject GUARANTEES Jesus and God NEVER SAID ONE WORD - THEMSELVES.

You are allowing your "religious brainwashing" to cloud your thinking in an objective manner. You do not consider ALL information from ALL sources ALL the time - with an open mind.

"...show me..." "...in ay sources..." "...outside the bible..." "... that show..." "...in Judaeo-Christian history..." "...where the Gods children FOLLOWING THE CHURCH ESTABLISHED BY JESUS CHRIST..." "... accepted Homosexuality..."... It IS "RELIGION" which IS MAN-MADE that have postualized the prohibition against Homosexuality - NOT GOD, NOT CHRIST - WHO "christians" PROFESS to "follow". GOD NEVER SAID! CHRIST NEVER SAID! PERIOD. Now you are trying to have others THINK They said when in FACT THEY NEVER DID. So then I must ask what is the authority for your prohibition against those who are Homosexual and BiSexual? You HAVE NO AUTHORITY. You are CREATING a "crime" when it is NOT a "crime" to be BiSexual and Homosexual no more than someone who is Heterosexual and it is NOT a "sin". HOW people treat each other may be subject to scrutiny. Their LOVING AND CARING HONESTLY ANOTHER INCLUDING SEXUALLY - REGARDLESS OF THEIR GENDER - IS NEVER WRONG OR SINFUL as long as each is of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely.

It seems to me that those that are "lying" are those that are SAYING and trying to LEGISLATE somehow the prohibition against BiSexuality and Homosexuality and those Sexual acts when in fact they EXIST NATURALLY and GOD NEVER SAID IT WAS WRONG AND CHRIST NEVER SAID IT WAS WRONG. YOU and people as yourself ARE CREATING your "beliefs" NOT BASED ON FACTS THAT ARE ACCURATE AND TRUE.




John H.

 

[John H.]

Comming from a bunch of christians I can't believe that none of you have ever read this
'Any man who lays with another man shall not inherit my kingdom'
Or something like that. It's been a while since I looked at the thing

Hi Iron,

AND what you quote IS THE WORD OF MAN - NOT GOD and NOT CHRIST.

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

whether we have read it or not is irrelavant. quoting it to john h is also a waste of time. i have no presumptions that john will change his beliefs or come to an understanding of how it is. he is more than free to believe as he wishes in my book, however i will show the absurity of his posts when he starts to preach anti-religion. when john begins with "Christians believe this, and christians do that" speach i write the truth so that others may understand the gospel acording to john h is about as accurate as that of charles manson. i find it comical that he feels he knows my beliefs better than i do. comical and absurd.

Bio:

I am not into the brainwashing of others - RELIGION IS. Don't believe me? Fine. But a person - ANY PERSON - who LOOKS WITH EYES WIDE OPEN OBJECTIVELY at ALL ASPECTS AND ALL INFORMATION OF "RELIGION" will SEE for themselves whether what I say is true or not true. They can make their independent determination BASED ON ALL THE FACTS. THEY can check out FOR THEMSELVES the validity of what I say. Or anyone else.

They ONLY thing you consider is what the Bible says. And then you interpret what it says AS YOU THINK as does others. The BIBLE IS THE WORDS OF MAN - MEN.

John H.

 

[John H.]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that "none of us have ever read..." these scriptures. They just haven't been quoted yet. So, since you brought it up...

Leviticus 18:22-24a - "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. You shall not have sexual relations with any animal and defile yourself with it, nor shall any woman give herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it: it is perversion. Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways"

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them."
Romans 1:26-27: "For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10: "Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites [Greek, "arsenokoitai" - homosexuals] thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers--none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."
1 Timothy 1:9-10: "This means understanding that the law is laid down not for the innocent but for the lawless and disobedient, for the godless and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their father or mother, for murderers, fornicators, sodomites [Greek, "arsenokoitai" - homosexuals], slave traders, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching."

Hi Witmaster,

These are the words of MEN. Plain and simple. GOD NEVER HIMSELF SAID and CHRIST HIMSELF NEVER SAID. Surely They did not "forget" to mention these things THEMSELVES. You can NOT ignore or discount the IMPORTANCE OF THAT FACT!! It goes to the heart of all that is said to somehow prohibit or damn BiSexuality and Homosexuality.

PERIOD.

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

you underestimate the ability of john to deny the sun is shining when he is getting a sun burn. but i like your energy and enthusiasm

Bio:

If I see the sun shine I have the ABILITY to and will say IT IS SHINING. Even when under the clouds. Because I can SEE IT IS or know it is under the clouds based on the amount of daylight that exists. I do not make things up as so many who are "religious" do.

John H.

 

[John H.]

Okay, this is like the funniest shit...this shit is so funny that its not funny then funny again. Damn bio, I cant even rate how funny this shit is. Everytime I think about this I get that laughing feeling inside.

God hand,

WHY did you change the words you were quoting from that song (you said) regarding Sex? It implied you like sucking... Remember I asked you about that on other posts - more than once?

John H.

 

[John H.]

It would seem that women can have sex with other women, it's just the men who cant be gay......Right on Jesus...He loves lesbian sex too

Hi Foreman,

ACTUALLY what IS RIGHT for MEN is also RIGHT for Women. BiSexuality and Homosexuality are just as right as Heterosexuality - they are variations of Sex and LOVING SOMEONE TRUTHFULLY.

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

Yea, and Good Ole Paul wrote one just for you too:
Rom 1:22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Hi Witmaster,

If I remember correctly it seems to me Paul was not a good person always in his life...

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

LMAO! No harm, no foul I guess.

Hi Witmaster,


"WE LOVE LESBIANS"!!!! You hear it all the time. The same should also apply to people who are BiSexual and Homosexual.

Take Care, John H.