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Mormons face flak for backing Prop. 8

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Mormons face flak for backing Prop. 8

Mormons face flak for backing Prop. 8
Matthai Kuruvila, Chronicle Religion Writer
Monday, October 27, 2008

(10-26) 14:40 PDT OAKLAND -- Christine Alonso's body trembled and her lips quivered as she walked up and spoke to a few of the 50 protesters in front of the Mormon Temple in Oakland on Sunday.

"Don't think they're all against you," said Alonso, 27, explaining that she was Mormon and that despite her religious leaders' support of a ballot measure banning same-sex marriage, she was actively opposed.

As she walked away, she said, "I'm afraid that a gay or lesbian friend might hear that I'm Mormon and think that I want to tear their marriage apart."

Alonso's solitary act came as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members are increasingly under fire for their support of Proposition 8, which would take away the right of gays and lesbians to marry. In addition to increased protests, online campaigns seek to identify and embarrass Mormons who support the ballot measure.

The church largely stays out of politics. But in this case, the Salt Lake City-based church has sent letters, held video conferences and in church meetings asked for volunteers to support the campaign. In response, some church members have poured in their savings and undertaken what may be an unprecedented grassroots mobilization for the effort.

Prop. 8 is on pace to be the costliest race in the nation, except for the billion-dollar presidential election. The Yes on 8 campaign estimates that up to 40 percent of its donations come from Mormons. Some others estimate that Mormons account for over 70 percent of donations from individuals.

All of California's Catholic bishops have all come out in favor of the measure. So have many evangelical Christians and Orthodox Jews. Yet it is Mormons, who account for 2 percent of the state population, who are catching the most heat.

"We seem to be the symbol of the Yes on 8 campaign," said Rand King, 60, a Walnut Creek resident who is Mormon and who was watching Sunday's protest from inside the temple's gates.

Prop. 8 opponents are increasingly narrowing their focus on Mormons, harnessing technology and open-records laws in their efforts. One Web site run by a Prop. 8 opponent, Mormonsfor8.com, identifies the name and hometown of every Mormon donor. On the Daily Kos, the nation's most popular liberal blog, there is a campaign to use that information to look into the lives of Mormons who financially support Prop. 8.

It has led some Mormons to question why other religious groups in the coalition aren't being targeted.

"I don't think it's politically expedient to point the finger at the Catholic Church," said Dave Christensen, 52, a Mormon and an Alamo resident who donated $30,000 to the Yes on 8 campaign. "You don't get the mileage criticizing a church that has more clout."

Nadine Hansen, who runs Mormonsfor8.com, said the church decided to enter politics and can't excuse itself for the ramifications.

"Any group that gets involved in the political arena has to be treated like a political action committee," said Hansen, 61, a Mormon who lives in Cedar City, Utah, and has stopped going to church. "You can't get involved in politics and say, 'Treat me as a church.' "Hansen said she focused on Mormons because she is one. She said Mormons have contacted her to shut the site, saying it was being used by the Daily Kos campaign in a "witch hunt."

"I didn't think there were any witches on the list, so I wasn't worried," said Hansen, whose site is "neutral" on its views, though she is opposed because she views it as "divisive."

The person who initiated the Daily Kos campaign to look into the lives of Mormon donors is Dante Atkins, an elected delegate to the state Democratic convention who said he's the vice president of the Los Angeles County Young Democrats.

Atkins said his goal was to "embarrass the opposition by pointing out and publicizing any contributors they may have." He said focusing on Mormons made sense. "If one religious group is putting close to the majority of the money and the effort into passing this proposition, it is fair to single them out."

The Mormon church hasn't taken the same level of interest in Arizona or Florida, which also have constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage.

But California is a bellwether, said LDS spokesman Mike Otterson. "If same-gender marriage is approved in California... other states will follow suit."

Several Bay Area Mormons said they would support the right of gay and lesbian unions to have all the rights of married couples. But the word marriage was sacred, pivotal to their concept of families, who can be "eternally united" in the afterlife. A key church document - "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" - says that "marriage between man and a woman is essential to His eternal plan." They also believe that children are entitled to be raised by a father and a mother.

Those words speak for Michele Sundstrom, 47, of San Jose, who has been married for 18 years and has five children.

She and her husband gave $30,000 to the Yes on 8 campaign and put a sign on their home. But in response, two women parked an SUV in front of their home, with the words "Bigots live here" painted on the windshield.

Sundstrom believes such responses must come from deep places of pain - and that gays and lesbians are entitled to the same rights as heterosexuals, just not the word marriage. Any animosity toward gays or lesbians is wrong, she said.

"There must be such deep, deep, deep hurt; otherwise there couldn't be so much opposition," she said. "They've lived with this. I guess we're getting a taste of where they live."

E-mail Matthai Kuruvila at mkuruvila@sfchronicle.com.
 
 
Mormonism is a cult.

Period.

The more you learn about Mormonism that more disturbing it becomes.
 
Mormonism is a cult.

Period.

The more you learn about Mormonism that more disturbing it becomes.

and this is why people don't listen to you
 
I don't know why people can't just leave other people alone and quit trying to push their values on others.

If you want to follow some crazy ass religion, that's fine just don't try and push your values into law that affects everyone else.
 
and this is why people don't listen to you

Do your own research bio-chem.

I notice your location is "Utah."

Use specific facts with me, and I'll respond with my facts.

Otherwise, YOU lose credibility. :thumb:
 
Do your own research bio-chem.

I notice your location is "Utah."

Use specific facts with me, and I'll respond with my facts.

Otherwise, YOU lose credibility. :thumb:

specific facts? kelju just posted yesterday that your posts are not treated seriously. how about them apples?

I don't need to prove the LDS faith is not a cult. Research? thats laughable. If you have something specific feel free.
 
that's fine just don't try and push your values into law that affects everyone else.

For over 200 years in this country marriage was between a man and a woman. now, without any legislation being passed this is changing here in the US. who exactly is pushing their values?
 
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Mormonism is a cult.

Period.

The more you learn about Mormonism that more disturbing it becomes.


Its no more a cult than any other organized religion...there are varying degrees of practice and interpretation Smoothy. I've met some off the wall Mormons before...and some off the wall Catholics and Protestants as well.

What makes you think every Mormon member is cult practitioner?
 
For over 200 years in this country marriage was between a man and a woman. now, without any legislation being passed this is changing here in the US. who exactly is pushing their values?

and for a few hundred years blacks were slaves...did the Emancipation Proc seem like pushing values on the South? You bet it did...sometimes the public needs to be forced to accept change.

I'm not a gay rights activist, but I would vote for gay marriage rights. It seems like the last socially acceptable prejudice left in the Western society.
 
For over 200 years in this country marriage was between a man and a woman. now, without any legislation being passed this is changing here in the US. who exactly is pushing their values?

being gay isnt a form of religion or a cult....
 
For over 200 years in this country marriage was between a man and a woman. now, without any legislation being passed this is changing here in the US. who exactly is pushing their values?

Values or equality?

Gays want the same rights to see the fuck up called marriage
 
and for smoothy, as mentioned above, nobody is any different being catholic than they are being mormon, than they are being jewish.
 
and for a few hundred years blacks were slaves...did the Emancipation Proc seem like pushing values on the South? You bet it did...sometimes the public needs to be forced to accept change.

I'm not a gay rights activist, but I would vote for gay marriage rights. It seems like the last socially acceptable prejudice left in the Western society.

the emancipation proclimation was followed by the 13th 14th and 15th amendments.
 
there's two sides to everything...you cant refer to mormons as being extremists or what not when the catholic church is denying people of human rights and freedom of expression.
 
I don't know why people can't just leave other people alone and quit trying to push their values on others.

If you want to follow some crazy ass religion, that's fine just don't try and push your values into law that affects everyone else.

did you read the part where only 2% of the population is mormon, but they are catching the most flak?

all the major catholic bishops and some evangelical leaders agree with it as well.
 
there's two sides to everything...you cant refer to mormons as being extremists or what not when the catholic church is denying people of human rights and freedom of expression.

I'm not sure why I'm letting myself make an issue of this. It is a good political ploy for the anti prop8 people to demonise prop8 by tying it to Mormons. It won't work, but they are going to try. thats fine.
 
you compared gay marriage...

You're going to have to clarify. I didn't compare gay marriage to a religion or a cult.
 
Do your own research bio-chem.

I notice your location is "Utah."

Use specific facts with me, and I'll respond with my facts.

Otherwise, YOU lose credibility. :thumb:

you have facts that the LDS religion is a cult? your stating an opinion, nothing more. like stated above, all organized religion could be considered a cult, it just depends what the definition is.
 
For over 200 years in this country marriage was between a man and a woman. now, without any legislation being passed this is changing here in the US. who exactly is pushing their values?

A gay couple that you will never meet somewhere in a town you will never go to having the right to be legally married does not qualify as "pushing values" onto you.

However, to legally ban that gay couple from being married pushes your values onto them in the most powerful way.
 
A gay couple that you will never meet somewhere in a town you will never go to having the right to be legally married does not qualify as "pushing values" onto you.

However, to legally ban that gay couple from being married pushes your values onto them in the most powerful way.

right on!
 
A gay couple that you will never meet somewhere in a town you will never go to having the right to be legally married does not qualify as "pushing values" onto you.

However, to legally ban that gay couple from being married pushes your values onto them in the most powerful way.

really? it doesn't? the government putting their stamp of approval on this? how will it be taught in schools, or incorporated into sex ed classes? this is not a question of being bigoted or something like that. people have the right to pass laws determining the type of society they wish to live in. thats whats happening. if the people want to allow gay marriage then a law should be passed. legislation. isn't that what this is all about? asking my government not to recognize gay marriage is not pushing my values onto anyone. I'm not stopping anyone from living their lives
 
For over 200 years in this country marriage was between a man and a woman. now, without any legislation being passed this is changing here in the US. who exactly is pushing their values?

Slavery was legal at one time too. It doesn't make it right. Gays finally got equal rights with marriage and now you want to take it away.

Exactly why do you care? It doesn't affect you. Why not just let them do what they want? It's not like it is hurting anyone
 
Its no more a cult than any other organized religion

I'll agree with that. The only difference between any organized religion and a cult is that a religion has larger numbers and because of that, it's more socially acceptable.

Religions = Large Cults
 
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