I agree... they are both twisted
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I agree... they are both twisted
Okay... they suck too then
I love the comparison to slavery. It is absolutely nothing alike.
Like the school system is going to teach gayness and turn all our youth gay
And yes, you are stopping them from living their lives by denying them the right to marriage
Like the school system is going to teach gayness and turn all our youth gay
And yes, you are stopping them from living their lives by denying them the right to marriage
denying them the right to marriage is not stopping them from living their lives. LOL.
I'm not worried about the school systems teaching all of the youth to be gay. I don't like the school system saying what is morally acceptable. That is not their job. Math, English, History. stick to those things
You wouldn't consider it interferring with your life if someone told you that you were not allowed to marry?
I do agree though, school shouldn't address what is morally acceptable either way. They should just give facts.
lets clarify here a bit. are we talking about marriage itself or the rights associated with marriage? The government has the right to legislate marriage. I have no complaint with a man giving POA to another man, or making him executor in his will.
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Passing a law banning gay marriage doesn't change anything about the type of society we live in expect for whether we are a society that accepts and loves each other, or a society that practices discrimination, prejudice and hate towards those that are different than us. But thyen again, we already know we are a nation of bickering assholes.
Gay people do not stop being gay just because you tell them they can't be recognized as a legal binding of two people. All you do is insult them and make them feel like they are not part of the society.
It really amazes the hell out of me how much love and compassion my gay friends have towards the same people that would judge and discriminate against them.
As far as sex education goes, Jesus fucking Christ! The kids aren't so stupid and fragile. Half of them will be fucking like rabbits at 15. You think that learning about the existence of gays and the fact that gay people have sex is really going ot have any affect on them?
Its not like Little Johnny is going to hear about gay marriage in sex ed class and decide that we just can't wait to go get fucked in the ass all of a sudden. It doesn't work that way. These kid's sexual identity is usually set by the time they hit puberty if they are allowed to express it. It is the sexually repressed religious kids that always end up getting fucked up psychologically.
I couldn't even imagine how hard that shit would be. One of my gay friends told me about her life, and I just felt bad for the girl. Her asshole religious family won't talk to her since she came out of the closet. Her description of her life seemed a lot to me like a Jew being born to a family of Nazis.
I think the a bigger problem than what to tell the kids in sex ed is how to teach a religious fanatic how to love their gay child.
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Not only is that article factually wrong, but they are bringing Adam and Eve into the debate.
Also, I refuse to debate anything that includes the Bible. The Bible has no scientific relevance. It is a book of metaphors and tall tales translated and manipulated by over a dozen Kings each time changed to suit the purposes of that King in power.
So, I conclude with a clip from Lewis Black and his take on evolution.
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Blah, blah, blah... the Divine Institution of Marriage... It's only divine if you buy into that definition. For many people marriage is nothing more than a legal contract.
The article claims that same sex marriages are a threat to marriage.
Exactly how does two guys getting married threaten straight marriages?
Exactly how does two guys getting married threaten straight marriages?
agreed. and for many it is a divine institution. the definition is the argument. thats why we are having this discussion
"Strong, stable families, headed by a father and mother, are the anchor of civilized society. When marriage is undermined by gender confusion and by distortions of its God-given meaning, the rising generation of children and youth will find it increasingly difficult to develop their natural identity as a man or a woman. Some will find it more difficult to engage in wholesome courtships, form stable marriages, and raise yet another generation imbued with moral strength and purpose."
... what a bunch of bullshit. Oh no, little Billy heard that gay people can get married. That is going to cause him to have unwholesome courtships, an instable marriage and he won't be able to raise his children properly. lol
... what a bunch of bullshit. Oh no, little Billy heard that gay people can get married. That is going to cause him to have unwholesome courtships, an instable marriage and he won't be able to raise his children properly. lol
the article addresses that
Fine, have your divine institution and let the gays have their legal contract.
What's the problem?
are we not seeing more and more cases of gender confusion in the US? i think it is safe to say that more and more that paragraph is being shown to be true
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Well, because they don't want the kids thinking anything other than their programming. they don;t want their kids to see that there is another accepted way to live their lives. If you see other people living their lives happily and you realize the stuff your parents taught you was bullshit, you might decide to jump ship.
thats bogus. the whole programming argument is retarded. this law is in no way about hiding homosexuality
Well I believe that people that follow religion are fools and undermine society by raising a generation of people that don't think logically. I believe this hurts society as a whole. This affects my right to live in a society where people are logical.
I don't want society to be the way you want to shape it. I think the world would be much better off without religion of any kind.
I don't try and take away their religious rights though. I don't have to agree with them but I do have to respect them enough to allow them to make their own mistakes no matter how damaging I feel it is to society.
you do see the flaw in your own argument, don't you?
I don't think so. I think more people are just more open to admitting it now. They have always been there and in the same numbers as today. The only difference is they aren't hiding in the closet anymore.
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The programming argument is a lot more sound than anything in the Bible.
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How do we teach children about the man with 10 wives in Utah isn't marriage between a man and "a" woman? Shouldn"t the Mormon's get themselves in check before they start trying to make rules about what constitutes a marriage? Same with all these others who can't even keep a heterosexual marriage together and they want to claim gay's would cause some kind of rift that would tear marriage apart isn't divorce a pretty large rift? What's the point of marriage if nearly half don't even honor the words till death do us part? Marriage is already a joke might as well let gay couples in on it....
I think marriage should be between a man, a woman and a bunch of other girls
Well hang on ... slavery was about inequality, right?
So is this. You're saying that a monogamous male-female couple may wed, but a monogamous same-sex couple may not.
Marriage, in addition to the pleasure and irritation of sharing one's life with that special someone you wish to annoy with your idiosyncrasies for the rest of your life, is also a financial and legal arrangement. Married couples get tax advantages, medical and dental benefits, survivors' pensions... and also the legal right to be considered family in the event of say hospitalization or adoption.
Not being allowed to marry - when strait couples are -constitutes a rather gross inequity in this regard.
Or am I missing something, biochem?
Joseph Smith was not a profit. He was a fraud.
The mysterious gold plates that disappeared.
The "Salamander letter."
The fake angel Moroni.
Mormonism is a sick, crock.
Neither was Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad either in my book....anyone who says they are sent by God comes off as a little schizophrenic to me.
Mormonism isn't any weirder than the belief that wine and bread literately transfuse into the blood and body of a man who has been dead for over 2000years...or a man who parted a sea...or the idea that you will be in heaven with 72 virgins.
see where I'm going with this?
