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CT said:
Protein powder is more of a convenient quick solution to PWO, but nothing is going to beat solid food.
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I agree, but that's not what the advertising claims. People want to believe the advertising so bad that they won't even check to see if their PWO shake is delievering what it promised. Protein powder is great for convenience, but that's all it's good for.
 
im not dieting for a comp but would like to have my abs showing through and my bf low beofre i start to bulk - in the past iv bulked up not to clean lots of carbs (pasta and bread) , this time id like to be very lean and then a slow lean bulk so
 
for me its convenient as i often eat whilst on the run working/meetings etc i also find it hard to constant eat chicken through out the day im not a fish or tuna fan unfortunatly - and i wanna keep as much muscle as poss whilst cutting
premo said:
im not dieting for a comp but would like to have my abs showing through and my bf low beofre i start to bulk - in the past iv bulked up not to clean lots of carbs (pasta and bread) , this time id like to be very lean and then a slow lean bulk so
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I have had my abs showing pretty good in the past and drank some milk at the time, and I'm sure it is possible. Personally I am more into having strength now than having my abs show. In any case if it fits into your macros you could always try it, and if it's not working out drop it.
 
i guess they say post work out protein with sugars any way right so maybe ill give it ago - although i kinda thought my protein with creating shake was a decent option -
 
premo said:
i guess they say post work out protein with sugars any way right so maybe ill give it ago - although i kinda thought my protein with creating shake was a decent option -
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No one said is was a bad one, I don't think.
 
milk and cutting are not issues. i have used whole milk in the past and currently use 1%. If you want your abs showing, you need to lose weight. Eat less overall calories.

We need to get rid of the magazine hoopla mentality. Yesterday I ate a 1/2 lb burger with cheese and thousand island. I was still under my daily calories and my macros were close enough.

If you had a competition in sight, then you need hardcore meal planning.
 
PushAndPull said:
I agree, but that's not what the advertising claims. People want to believe the advertising so bad that they won't even check to see if their PWO shake is delievering what it promised. Protein powder is great for convenience, but that's all it's good for.
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I never said one thing about the advertising, that's a different story which has nothing to do with my original statement.

Protein powder is quicker and easier than is a whole food meal.
 
o boy lol lots going on here.... in response to Built I am looking to lose fat right now I am 20.4% body fat according to that steering wheel thing (who knows how great that is) I workout like 5-6 days a week 4-5 days HITT cardio and 3-4 days lifting etc... and the only reason I was asking this whole thing in the begininng is because I was looking to mix up my foods PWO so from what I have gathered here as long as I am having carbs and protein for my high intensity lifting and strength training day then I am good to go... right?
 
Fitzy89 said:
o boy lol lots going on here.... in response to Built I am looking to lose fat right now I am 20.4% body fat according to that steering wheel thing (who knows how great that is) I workout like 5-6 days a week 4-5 days HIIT cardio and 3-4 days lifting etc... and the only reason I was asking this whole thing in the beginning is because I was looking to mix up my foods PWO so from what I have gathered here as long as I am having carbs and protein for my high intensity lifting and strength training day then I am good to go... right?
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That's pretty much how most of us do it, yes.

You sound like you're trying to exercise off the weight though, and at 20% bodyfat, you're already quite lean. So I have a few questions for you:

  • How lean are you trying to go?
  • What is your current weight and height?
  • What is your goal weight?
  • How much have you lost, and over what time-frame?
  • What calories, and grams of protein, carb and fat do you consume daily?
  • Are you currently losing? How fast (ie how many pounds per week)?
 
CT said:
I never said one thing about the advertising, that's a different story which has nothing to do with my original statement.

Protein powder is quicker and easier than is a whole food meal.
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Yeah, I never said you did. Was just making conversation. But I can see that's not you intent. Thanks for trying to enlighten me.
PushAndPull said:
I'll repeat, convenience is the only thing protein powder is good for.
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Opens fridge, grabs chocolate milk, drinks chocolate milk, gets fat because the body didn't need it at that moment.
 
PushAndPull said:
I agree, but that's not what the advertising claims. People want to believe the advertising so bad that they won't even check to see if their PWO shake is delievering what it promised. Protein powder is great for convenience, but that's all it's good for.
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powdered proteins have a higher BV than any other whole food protein sources besides whole eggs and gram for gram they are the most economical source of protein. on an empty stomach AA's from powdered proteins can hit the portal bloodstream in 10-15 minutes as compared to 60-60 minutes with a whole food protein source such as poultry.

they use whey and soy protiens for may different patients at the Mayo Clinic
 
Marat said:
LAM, what do you suggest are the practical lifting-related implications for that data?
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IMO..powdered protein supps are optimum for pre-post workout because they do reach the portal bloodstream so quickly. the body is either in a catabolic state or an anabolic state or transitioning between the two. that being the case post workout when there is a negative nitrogen balance the fastest and most convenient way to get the body back into an anabolic state is to either use powdered protein supps, BCAA or AA caps, non-fat milk, egg whites or some type of low fat white fish. The whole food protein sources that I listed for most would provide AA's to the body in roughly 30-45 minutes.

supplement/nutrient timing is more important than people think. the least amount of time the body is in a catabolic state over the course of the year the more gains a person will make in LBM, fat loss, etc.
 
LAM said:
powdered proteins have a higher BV than any other whole food protein sources besides whole eggs.
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That's nice, but I simply don't believe this will have any real effect on muscle gains as long as you eat lots of protein from meat.

LAM said:
and gram for gram they are the most economical source of protein.
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Really? What protein powder are you referring too? I've seen tuna for dirt cheap. Or how about milk, you can get a gallon of milk for really cheap. Say 2.50 a gallon. So lets see 1 gallon has 15 servings at 8 grams per serving so that's 2 cents per gram of protein. I haven't seen any protein powders cheaper than that.


LAM said:
on an empty stomach AA's from powdered proteins can hit the portal bloodstream in 10-15 minutes as compared to 60-60 minutes with a whole food protein source such as poultry.
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This means nothing to me, since it doesn't translate into better gains in the real world.
 
suprfast said:
I am sure it plays a role for someone like ronnie coleman or usain bolt but not for me.
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you would be surprised...

nothing wrong with milk PWO. I do it sometimes but use FF since the fats slow gastric emptying.
 
if i drink regular milk, more than my gastric would be emptied.

By the way, lactaid chocolate milk is YUM
 
PushAndPull said:
Yeah, I never said you did. Was just making conversation. But I can see that's not you intent. Thanks for trying to enlighten me.
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Damn. You sure can be a smart ass.
 
LAM said:
IMO..powdered protein supps are optimum for pre-post workout because they do reach the portal bloodstream so quickly. the body is either in a catabolic state or an anabolic state or transitioning between the two. that being the case post workout when there is a negative nitrogen balance the fastest and most convenient way to get the body back into an anabolic state is to either use powdered protein supps, BCAA or AA caps, non-fat milk, egg whites or some type of low fat white fish. The whole food protein sources that I listed for most would provide AA's to the body in roughly 30-45 minutes.

supplement/nutrient timing is more important than people think. the least amount of time the body is in a catabolic state over the course of the year the more gains a person will make in LBM, fat loss, etc.
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So let's say I eat 100% of my daily protein before my workout. Am I still going to be in a negative nitrogen balance after the workout? That seems unlikely to me.
 
CT said:
Damn. You sure can be a smart ass.
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In this thread i've repeatly said that protein powder is about convenience. Which you then reiterated to me. I assumed you were agreeing with me and making converstion. I falsely assuming you read more than one of my posts. Then you became defensive because I was talking about advertising. Obviously, you didn't read any or very few of the other posts in the thread and then you took one random post of mine, not knowing the context of that post and ran with it. Which is very irritating, hence the smart ass reply.
 
PushAndPull said:
In this thread i've repeatly said that protein powder is about convenience. Which you then reiterated to me. I assumed you were agreeing with me and making converstion. I falsely assuming you read more than one of my posts. Then you became defensive because I was talking about advertising. Obviously, you didn't read any or very few of the other posts in the thread and then you took one random post of mine, not knowing the context of that post and ran with it. Which is very irritating, hence the smart ass reply.
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You're right, I didn't read through every single post, why would I when I'm responding to one post in particular? You went into the entire advertising thing which I could really care less about, I was responding to your post, and only your post in regards to protein powder being more convienient. Nothing more. You're the one who is having the attitude.

I didn't get defensive, I just called it like I read it, you're just being defensive, not only with me but with just about everyone else here who disagrees with you.

It's an internet forum, nothing more people are going to disagree. You're just being arrogant in your own defense. Instead of turning the other cheek you seem to be so stubborn that you just have to re-hash the same old garbage over and over.

I'm sorry you were so irritated, but that's not a reason to be rude now is it?
 
CT said:
You're right, I didn't read through every single post, why would I when I'm responding to one post in particular? You went into the entire advertising thing which I could really care less about, I was responding to your post, and only your post in regards to protein powder being more convienient. Nothing more. You're the one who is having the attitude.

I didn't get defensive, I just called it like I read it, you're just being defensive, not only with me but with just about everyone else here who disagrees with you.

It's an internet forum, nothing more people are going to disagree. You're just being arrogant in your own defense. Instead of turning the other cheek you seem to be so stubborn that you just have to re-hash the same old garbage over and over.

I'm sorry you were so irritated, but that's not a reason to be rude now is it?
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I'm done with this discussion, have a nice day.
 
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