1st Cycle

[ambiti]

So I have checked for my PCT,

I cannot get HCG or Aromasin however I can get Clomid,
(these drugs are very hard to get a hold of here where I live)

Is Clomid alone enough for PCT? and what is the best dosage?

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So far my cycle looks like this; (I will only use the below since I cannot get a hold of HCG or Aromasin)
10 weeks of Testostrone Enanthate (500mg per week)

2 weeks after my last shot, I will be taking Clomid (not sure about the dosage and frequency)
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Please advice!

Thank you all!

 

[aja44]

So I have checked for my PCT,

I cannot get HCG or Aromasin however I can get Clomid,
(these drugs are very hard to get a hold of here where I live)

Is Clomid alone enough for PCT? and what is the best dosage?

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So far my cycle looks like this; (I will only use the below since I cannot get a hold of HCG or Aromasin)
10 weeks of Testostrone Enanthate (500mg per week)

2 weeks after my last shot, I will be taking Clomid (not sure about the dosage and frequency)
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Please advice!

Thank you all!

The HCG is recommended to be taken during your cycle and for those 2 weeks before you start your PCT as it will help in recovery. The Aromasin is an AI and should also be run during cycle and PCT. It keeps the estrogen build up down and will keep off the water bloat so I would definitely recommend you get either that or Adex before you start.

Clomid would be run for 4 weeks as follows:
Days 1 and 2 200mg
Rest of week 1 - 100mg
Week 2 - 75mg
Weeks 3 and 4 - 50mg

Take the test at 250mg twice per week.

 

[ambiti]

Thanks aja44,

Are there alternative medicines (names) for HCG and Aromasin that you know of so I can search?

Any suggestions?

Thanks

 

[GMO]

Thanks aja44,

Are there alternative medicines (names) for HCG and Aromasin that you know of so I can search?

Any suggestions?

Thanks

You can use Arimidex (Anastrozole) instead of Aromasin and dose it 0.5mg eod. As far as HCG goes, there is no other alternative to it. With a test only cycle though, you should be ok with just the Arimidex and Clomid.

 

[pieguy]

HCG isn't required but it will help you keep more gains after you've come off cycle. The best alternative to Aromasin is Arimidex (anastrazole) which is an acceptable substitute actually. It's not quite as good for a few reasons (mainly lipids) but it works and it works well. Somebody else can comment on dosing protocol. Last I remember it's .5mg/eod (largely dependent on your blood test e2 results) and .5/.5/.25/.25 along with your clomid, but I don't use adex so I'm not 100% sure. Maybe OSL, GMO, Heavy or Vic can comment, etc.

damn it GMO beat me again...

 

[GMO]

HCG isn't required but it will help you keep more gains after you've come off cycle. The best alternative to Aromasin is Arimidex (anastrazole) which is an acceptable substitute actually. It's not quite as good for a few reasons (mainly lipids) but it works and it works well. Somebody else can comment on dosing protocol. Last I remember it's .5mg/eod (largely dependent on your blood test e2 results) and .5/.5/.25/.25 along with your clomid, but I don't use adex so I'm not 100% sure. Maybe OSL, GMO, Heavy or Vic can comment, etc.

damn it GMO beat me again...

Yes, .5/.5/.25/.25 or 1/1/.5/.5 will work for PCT, dependant upon how much you ran on cycle.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

HCG isn't required but it will help you keep more gains after you've come off cycle. The best alternative to Aromasin is Arimidex (anastrazole) which is an acceptable substitute actually. It's not quite as good for a few reasons (mainly lipids) but it works and it works well. Somebody else can comment on dosing protocol. Last I remember it's .5mg/eod (largely dependent on your blood test e2 results) and .5/.5/.25/.25 along with your clomid, but I don't use adex so I'm not 100% sure. Maybe OSL, GMO, Heavy or Vic can comment, etc.

damn it GMO beat me again...

^^ LOL I know the feeling I try to be as fast as GMO, but he has some quick fingers!!

Yes, .5/.5/.25/.25 or 1/1/.5/.5 will work for PCT, dependant upon how much you ran on cycle.

^^ This is perfect, Adex is fine, I prefer aromasin, and you could go 25/25/12.5/12.5 on pct

 

[UcantHang]

I just think you should hire a new trainer that knows what the hell he's doing. A good professional trainer is not going his client take aas.

 

[pieguy]

I just think you should hire a new trainer that knows what the hell he's doing. A good professional trainer is not going his client take aas.

That seems quite questionable actually. I bet a lot of sport trainers at high levels might recommend AAA in off season. Trainers care about ur success so if ur success means some drug induced assistance, I bet they'd at least give u the option.

 

[Vibrant]

That seems quite questionable actually. I bet a lot of sport trainers at high levels might recommend AAA in off season. Trainers care about ur success so if ur success means some drug induced assistance, I bet they'd at least give u the option.

Yeah, but they don't usually give such bad advice as this guy has been getting from his trainer.

 

[Vibrant]

Ambiti, can you please post up your training routine and your diet because I think you could use some advice in that area as well.

 

[ambiti]

I managed to get a hold of HCG now,
How much is the right dose for the cycle that i plan to do? and how often should i use it?
my cycle is Testostrone Enanthate for 10 weeks (500mg per week)

Thank you!!

 

[ambiti]

Just to add, these are everything I managed to get a hold of;
-Testostrone Enanthate for 10 weeks (500mg per week)
-Clomid
-HCG (I haven't bought it yet because I am not sure about the dosage - if some could advice i would be happy)

I cannot get Aromasin, (Still searching for it)

If I did the cycle without Aromasin, would there be problem? if yes, what kind of problems?

Thank you! - waiting for your replies!

 

[SloppyJ]

500iu 2x per week.

Some might even say 250iu 2x week with that cycle.

 

[ambiti]

Ambiti, can you please post up your training routine and your diet because I think you could use some advice in that area as well.

Vibrant - sorry for not posting everything

I always start with 10 minutes running followed by stretching and skipping.
I do Abs every other day.
I do 4 sets for every exercise,

I do not always follow the exact, I mix up, once a week I will do all the exercises that I do not usually do.
I take 1 day off (I know it should be 2)

Day 1 - LEGS
-Squat 4 sets (20-15-15-12resp)
-Leg extension 4 sets (20-15-15-12reps)
-Leg curl 4 sets (20-15-15-12reps)
*got a small knee problem, I only do these 3 until I get advanced on legs - I did not focus on legs before that much

Day 2 - Chest & Biceps
-Flat bench press 4 sets (20-15-12-8)
-Incline bench press 4 sets (20-15-12-8)
-Dips/decline bench press
*I sometimes just go for light weight and reps for chest - it really depends on how I feel, I also change the sequence everytime, I feel that it gives more improvements

-For biceps, I will not mention my workout since I do not know the exercise names in English but they are my strong parts and I have huge biceps...

Day 3 - Back & Triceps
Day 4 - Shoulders

For cardio, i go for kick boxing once a week 1 and a half hours of intense sweating. (I die when the training is done)
I did not write details for my day 3-4 exercises because I do not know the names in English.

I try not to go lower than 12 reps,
On my peak days I could bench 200lbs 4-6 reps

Diet
-Oat meal
-4 egg whites
-protein shake
-Chicken wing and cup of rice
-TRAINING
-Chicken wing and cup of rice
-Dinner (usually meat with veg - red/white meat)

I do not eat anything fried, I do not eat junk. (I tend to eat the same food everyday)


I hope this is helpful
Quick facts;
-25years old
-180LBS
-6 foot tall
-5 years of gyming experience

 

[Vibrant]

I am thinking that you need to add some calories. How many meals do you have in a day? I would add some tuna fish, tilapia fish, chicken breast, and maybe a casien protein shake right before sleep. Also switch out the white rice for brown rice and wild rice. Theres a great site FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal where you enter everything you eat in a day and it gives you a breakdown of calories consumed, amount of protein, carbs, fat that you had in a day. When u get a breakdown like that it's much easier to see if you're under eating, over eating, or your ratio of protein/carbs/fats is not good.

 

[pieguy]

I never found chicken wings to be very good sources of protein. Honestly, if you're on a budget buy quarters and if ur not, get breasts cause you're going to be undereating imo.

 

[aja44]

I agree with the last 2 posts, your not eating enough and that is why your not gaining any weight. And when your on AAS, you need to be eating even more to build the muscle.

I'm also not a big fan of your workout. I think you might want to take a peek around in the training forum and read some of the stuff in there. You need to build mass and gain strength and I feel your not going to do that with high rep ranges. You should drop those down to the 5-8 range and start increasing your weights and adjusting your tempo's. Maybe even doing 5x5 or 5x3 on major compound exercises to build some strength up.

 

[ambiti]

I used to do low reps and 3 sets, but then I just became buff (thick arms like a soasage, no shape) I started high reps and high intensity exercises so I lose fat and get more definition.

It actually worked...

But I will listen to you guys..

I eat rice, before and after gym considering that I need energy for my workout,

If I drink protein shakes before sleeping, I actually cant sleep for some reason, it keeps me awake (tried several different brands, it all does it)

 

[ambiti]

been checking youtube to understand howmuch exactly i need to be mixing HGC,
Still a little confused,

HCG (is it powder or liquid) - I am going to buy HCG but my guy is selling HCG 5000ui (i would need 2 of there for 10 weeks of cycle 500ui x2 per week?

to get 500 ui, how much do i have to mix with bac water? (anyone has videos i can see)

i feel like a unlicensed doctore mixing and doing all these things.....

Please do help!

 

[pieguy]

been checking youtube to understand howmuch exactly i need to be mixing HGC,
Still a little confused,

HCG (is it powder or liquid) - I am going to buy HCG but my guy is selling HCG 5000ui (i would need 2 of there for 10 weeks of cycle 500ui x2 per week?

to get 500 ui, how much do i have to mix with bac water? (anyone has videos i can see)

i feel like a unlicensed doctore mixing and doing all these things.....

Please do help!

HCG comes in a powder form on arrival from your guy. You take 2ml of bac water and you squirt it into the vial, making sure to aim for the side of the vial so it mixes well. You can lightly swirl the vial but DO NOT SHAKE. You now have reconstituted HCG that should be clear and stored in the refrigerator.

When you're ready to shoot, use an insulin pin and get either .1 or .2 ml of HCG and inject it into a layer of skin and fat. They call this a subcutaneous injection. I recommend researching how to do subcutaneous injections around your navel.

 

[ambiti]

HCG comes in a powder form on arrival from your guy. You take 2ml of bac water and you squirt it into the vial, making sure to aim for the side of the vial so it mixes well. You can lightly swirl the vial but DO NOT SHAKE. You now have reconstituted HCG that should be clear and stored in the refrigerator.

When you're ready to shoot, use an insulin pin and get either .1 or .2 ml of HCG and inject it into a layer of skin and fat. They call this a subcutaneous injection. I recommend researching how to do subcutaneous injections around your navel.

i was told this;
**Dilute it to 10ml solution then inject .5ml each time, you will be getting 250iu out of every injection.

I have 5000iu, I want to inject 500iu x 2 per week for 10 weeks that means 20 shots of 500iu in total.

Some people are telling me to take 500iu x 3 per week for 10 weeks but I am not sure what is the correct dosage (from my readings/research I see that 500iu x2 per week is the most common so I am thinking about doing that)

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I need 2 of 5000iu to last me for 10 weeks? (i did not include the time of PCT for these 10 weeks - if we include the time of PCT then do I need more?)

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I know I am asking so many question but I am just planning right now, once I know I have everything and the whole schedule drawn up, I plan to start my cycle.

Thank you!!!!

 

[squigader]

If you haven't started yet, drop the winnie. You're more than fine with test and deca, and winnie causes more problems than its worth.

 

[ambiti]

I will be using only the followings; (tell me what you think)

500mg of Testosterone Enanthate - 1-10 weeks (2 shots of 250mg per week)

For PCT - I will be using Clomid

I got HCG but I am not sure if I should use or not - (I am still figuring out how much I should use - some sources say you shouldn't use if more than 3 weeks but people here say use it throughout your cycle, so still searching on that)

I hope to get Aromasin tomorrow - (been searching for it for a while, it is an oral table if I am not wrong right?)

Not using winstrol.... only Test E.

 

[pieguy]

If u use 10 ml of bac water, then do 2 injections a week of .5 ml. If u still notice your testicles shrinking near the later half of ur cycle start using 1 ml injections. You only need shots twice a week.

500 mg of test a week is a good first cycle and it will show you how ur body responds to anabolics. Don't add crazy shit this time around. Wait will your second cycle to try deca, eq, mast and orals.

 

[ambiti]

Should i use HCG throughout my cycle including the period of PCT?

Also, when should I do the first shot? same day as my 1st injection of test e? (both shots same days with the shot test shots?)

Do you recommend Aromasin? Is it a must?
I dont have novadex but I have clomid, is that enough?

Sorry for the amount of questions again, you seem to know you shit.

Thank you!

 

[pieguy]

Should i use HCG throughout my cycle including the period of PCT?

Also, when should I do the first shot? same day as my 1st injection of test e? (both shots same days with the shot test shots?)

Do you recommend Aromasin? Is it a must?
I dont have novadex but I have clomid, is that enough?

Sorry for the amount of questions again, you seem to know you shit.

Thank you!

we already answered this same shit...

HCG on cycle, NOT in PCT. Take HCG starting week 2 and stop taking it after you stop pinning test. You can probably take 1-2 doses in that 2 week period between your last shot and PCT.

You do your first HCG injection in week 2. Do it at the same time you do test injectinos as an example cause both are bi-weekly.

Yes I recommend aromasin/exemestane or Arimidex/anastrazole. Aromasin is clearly better. It is a must. It is more important than HCG which is also important, but not mandatory. Nolvadex and clomid are for post-cycle and should not be used on cycle unless it's nolvadex to treat nipple itches or soreness.

I know my shit cause I read a lot of this forum and ask less questions.

 

[ambiti]

this is what I am planning then, (I am adding little more details to confirm from you readers that I understand correctly)

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*I will inject them both Test E and HCG at the same day, Test E first then HCG
*For HCG, I will be mixing 10 ml of bac water with 5000iu, from what I get, i will do 2 injections a week of .5 ml (I believe that is 500iu each shot - correct me if there are better suggestions)

Steroid Cycle as follows;
week 1 to 10 - 500mg of Testosterone Enanthate (biweekly)
week 2 to 10 - 500iu of HCG x 2 per week (total of 1000iu per week, starting from week 2)

*If I manage to get a hold of Aromasin (I believe I will be able to)
week 1 to 10 - 10mg of Aromasin daily

*I will start PCT 7 days after my last injection of Testesterone Enanthate and HCG

PCT as follows;
days 1 & 2 -200mg
days 3 to 7 -100mg
week 2 - 75mg
weeks 3 & 4 -50mg


HCG is injected in to fat (correct?)
Testosterone Enanthate is injected in to muscle(correct?)
Aromasin, Clomid are oral tablets(correct?)
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Any one suggests different dosage for anything else?
From what I have been reading, Aromasin is taken daily? (correct me if I am wrong)

While I am gathering all the ingredients - lol - is there anything additional you suggest?
During PCT I wanted to ask if I could use Animal Mstak? (I really want to work so hard during PCT)

Thank you!

 

[malfeasance]

I will discuss this with my trainer

Why? Your trainer obviously knows nothing about this. Either do your own research or find a new trainer. Do not follow the cycle he is proposing.

 

[ambiti]

malfeasance - I am not sure if you read all the msgs, I am not listening to my trainer at all right now, that is why I am posting questions here.

I have changed the cycle as my previous post, just double checking with you people so, please read my previous post.

Also, I AM doing a research but people outside of the USA do not really experiment with Steroids as much as people in your part of the world do, so the only way I can get solid information is to ask questions.

If I go to a doctor and say, I want to take steroids, he will say no dont and will not give me feedback about anything in this part of the world (unless I have been using and facing problem).

So lets not argue about how we do a research.


Please give me feedback for the following cycle, THANK YOU!

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*I will inject them both Test E and HCG at the same day, Test E first then HCG
*For HCG, I will be mixing 10 ml of bac water with 5000iu, from what I get, i will do 2 injections a week of .5 ml (I believe that is 500iu each shot - correct me if there are better suggestions)

Steroid Cycle as follows;
week 1 to 10 - 500mg of Testosterone Enanthate (biweekly)
week 2 to 10 - 500iu of HCG x 2 per week (total of 1000iu per week, starting from week 2)

*If I manage to get a hold of Aromasin (I believe I will be able to)
week 1 to 10 - 10mg of Aromasin daily

*I will start PCT 7 days after my last injection of Testesterone Enanthate and HCG

PCT as follows; (Clomid)
days 1 & 2 -200mg
days 3 to 7 -100mg
week 2 - 75mg
weeks 3 & 4 -50mg


HCG is injected in to fat (correct?)
Testosterone Enanthate is injected in to muscle(correct?)
Aromasin, Clomid are oral tablets(correct?)
--------------------------

Any one suggests different dosage for anything else?
From what I have been reading, Aromasin is taken daily? (correct me if I am wrong)

While I am gathering all the ingredients - lol - is there anything additional you suggest?
During PCT I wanted to ask if I could use Animal Mstak? (I really want to work so hard during PCT)