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Beginner, want to start with orals PLEASE HELP!

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Omg!! Lol haa

No im saying ... If he does not want to do a test only cycle then he should look at h drol as it's great for a first cycle not to hard on the body.

I was saying that yes test cycle will give better gains and strenge but sides are more then a h drol or p mag cycle with hairloss but if he don't care about hairloss then go for the test :)

Reason for me posting is because i'm 21 and his 22 so same age same worry right? Young lads no hair? Just trying to help :) good luck
 
pieguy said:
A lot of it makes no sense honestly. I don't like to pick on grammar mistakes, but half way through reading I just said fuck it.

I think he's trying to say that if you're going to run the PH hdrol, you might as well run it with tbol for less chance of bloating. Might as well run IML stuff if you want good lean gains then.
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i understand i guess and yes if was gonna do just a PH then i would just go with IML stuff. Hell im starting my cycle with DMZ idk though to each his own im just kind of confused at the whole situation.
 
Pika said:
Omg!! Lol haa

No im saying ... If he does not want to do a test only cycle then he should look at h drol as it's great for a first cycle not to hard on the body.

I was saying that yes test cycle will give better gains and strenge but sides are more then a h drol or p mag cycle with hairloss but if he don't care about hairloss then go for the test :)

Reason for me posting is because i'm 21 and his 22 so same age same worry right? Young lads no hair? Just trying to help :) good luck
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Ok now i understand a lot more. I dont have a broad enough base a knowledge to comment on this but from what i understand the hair loss isnt to big of an issue and also what would you rather have.... no hair or a failing kidney?
 
Now that is a good point but it's unlikly that your get a failed kidny on a h drol!pmag cycle maybye somthin like m drol/sd matrox now thats just poison! Lol
 
Pika said:
Now that is a good point but it's unlikly that your get a failed kidny on a h drol!pmag cycle maybye somthin like m drol/sd matrox now thats just poison! Lol
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lmao im not saying your kidneys will just all out fail i was just weighing the two possibilities. i always get M drol and H drol confused. I actually was going to do an M drol cycle because my friend got great results from it but after being on here a while and talking people i decided to go a different much more expensive route lmao.
 
You're too young really but I'm sure you will do what you want. I can't argue enough for a test cycle, but again you're not gonna listen if you don't want to. Pinning is not bad at all though and test makes you the fucking boss

If you're looking for non aromatizing orals with some kick though, superdrol or superdmz is hard to beat. Lean dry gains and tons of strength. Expect to lose a bit when you come off though. Another reason I think test is the way to go, kickstart with an oral and then you have the whole rest of the cycle to build on those gains, and you will keep much more.

Yes you lose a good bit of water weight when you get off the test, but if anything it makes you look better. My first cycle I thought I was kinda fat by the end of the bulk. By the start of pct I was looking pretty cut just from dropping water.
 
Honestly OP, you need to wait a couple more years before jumping on any AAS. If you can't grow at your age with all the anabolic hormones you have in your bloodstream right now, then you need to take a look at your diet and training routine. I would post those in the appropriate forums and let us help you there first. .

Once these are dialed in, you will make natty gains for another year or two, then if you really feel it is necessary, you can start a cycle. You will get more out of a cycle if these things are dialed in, and you have trained to your natural limit.
 
GMO said:
Honestly OP, you need to wait a couple more years before jumping on any AAS. If you can't grow at your age with all the anabolic hormones you have in your bloodstream right now, then you need to take a look at your diet and training routine. I would post those in the appropriate forums and let us help you there first. .

Once these are dialed in, you will make natty gains for another year or two, then if you really feel it is necessary, you can start a cycle. You will get more out of a cycle if these things are dialed in, and you have trained to your natural limit.
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+1.

This thread is getting REALLY fu*ked up.
 
Bro you can't sit there and say ( your sure i won't listen ) because i listen to a great load of people because of this form i stoped doing my cycle last year lol there are realy great people here to help with diet, training, supllements, cycles ....


I agree 100% woth you but some people won't and don't belive you because it's a pinin prob thinking hey fuck ama hit a vain!! Lol

Im jist sayin h drol is a nice clean decent cycle if people want the lwgal and oral rount but test is king :)
 
It is not worth shutting down your natural test for an oral only cycle because you can only run them for short periods. When you stop the short oral cycle you are still shutdown and it is going to take time to come back only problem is your cycle wasn't long so you will lose most of the gains where if you run an injectable you should put on enough muscle that you will be able to recover in time and still hold onto gains.
 
gmo said:
honestly op, you need to wait a couple more years before jumping on any aas. If you can't grow at your age with all the anabolic hormones you have in your bloodstream right now, then you need to take a look at your diet and training routine. I would post those in the appropriate forums and let us help you there first. .

Once these are dialed in, you will make natty gains for another year or two, then if you really feel it is necessary, you can start a cycle. You will get more out of a cycle if these things are dialed in, and you have trained to your natural limit.
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+2
 
Pika said:
Bro you can't sit there and say ( your sure i won't listen ) because i listen to a great load of people because of this form i stoped doing my cycle last year lol there are realy great people here to help with diet, training, supllements, cycles ....

I can and I just did. You're not listening.


I agree 100% woth you but some people won't and don't belive you because it's a pinin prob thinking hey fuck ama hit a vain!! Lol

WHAT? I can't read what you just typed.

Im jist sayin h drol is a nice clean decent cycle if people want the lwgal and oral rount but test is king :)
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Again read what I typed above.
 
Bro i understand what your saying.. But i know a guy thats been training for 15 years and still hasnt reached his peek!

His not even big judt toned realy,
My diets on point honest im cutting up now so i my self won't be hitting any ph!aas for atleast 3 months i already have 2 tubs of h drol on my shelf ....
 
I'm not going to talk any more bout this as it's messing up the thred.

Good luck with your cycle do alot of reseach and more!! .
 
P mag made me feel like fuckin shit, worse than tren bombs and had a way longer half life.
 
Digitalash said:
You're too young really but I'm sure you will do what you want. I can't argue enough for a test cycle, but again you're not gonna listen if you don't want to. Pinning is not bad at all though and test makes you the fucking boss

If you're looking for non aromatizing orals with some kick though, superdrol or superdmz is hard to beat. Lean dry gains and tons of strength. Expect to lose a bit when you come off though. Another reason I think test is the way to go, kickstart with an oral and then you have the whole rest of the cycle to build on those gains, and you will keep much more.

Yes you lose a good bit of water weight when you get off the test, but if anything it makes you look better. My first cycle I thought I was kinda fat by the end of the bulk. By the start of pct I was looking pretty cut just from dropping water.
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Ya I think I am going to go with a test only cycle, maybe with a kick start of d-bol. Do you lose a lot of strength after the cycle (say a couple weeks later)? And would you recommend Nolvadex to use for anti estrogen near the end of my cycle and a little while after?

Thanks so much to everyone for the help!
 
GMO said:
Honestly OP, you need to wait a couple more years before jumping on any AAS. If you can't grow at your age with all the anabolic hormones you have in your bloodstream right now, then you need to take a look at your diet and training routine. I would post those in the appropriate forums and let us help you there first. .

Once these are dialed in, you will make natty gains for another year or two, then if you really feel it is necessary, you can start a cycle. You will get more out of a cycle if these things are dialed in, and you have trained to your natural limit.
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My training and diet is great, and I am gaining all the time consistantly. I just want a boost. I may not be at my natural peak, but I am close...I am still not sure, I may wait another year but I feel I am ready. Did you see my answer with my lift numbers? When SHOULD someone start if not now?
 
test aromasin and clomid ive been recomended not to use nolva but everyone has their prefernces and everyone reacts differently if you do kick start maybe think about grabbing somthing for liver support. im kick starting with DMZ and useing liv52 i also have milk thistle
 
alextheassassin said:
My training and diet is great, and I am gaining all the time consistantly. I just want a boost. I may not be at my natural peak, but I am close...I am still not sure, I may wait another year but I feel I am ready. Did you see my answer with my lift numbers? When SHOULD someone start if not now?
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some people say dont start before 25 others say more others say less either way youll do what you want in the end so im not gonna be one of the guys who tells u when to start ill just do what i can to make sure that if you do decide to do it you atleast have everything you need and do it right.:hiya:
 
No i understand bro honest iknow your hear to help :) i honestly
Would do a test cycle and sell the h drol but i just havnt looked it up right and woukdnt know how to pin or anything man lol
 
Pika said:
No i understand bro honest iknow your hear to help :) i honestly
Would do a test cycle and sell the h drol but i just havnt looked it up right and woukdnt know how to pin or anything man lol
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do research i followed this site for a while doing mild searching then i join in july i beleive and have spent HOURS upon HOURS searching and asking questions no matter how stupid they were i asked (who cares if someone over the internet thinks your stupid:shooter:) anyway just do research i feel like a fucking genius now compared to how i was when i first joined and im still a dumb ass but i have learned so much i found valuable people on here with knowledge who are willing to help and who i respect. I now know some reputable sponsors and have learned a great. deal. i gave changed my cycle 50 times probably until i finaly did all my research talked to a whole bunch of people and sat down with a well known and respected member on this board and set up a great cycle for me. use google, ask questions use the search bar, read, ask more questions and so on. Trust me i no you wanna jump into this i have wanting to jump into this for months but every minute you dont rush into and you wait and do research is a minute you will be glad you did. especially when u look back on somthing you honestly though about running and go.. wtf was i thinking?
 
I know a few things like first cycle test only 400mg aweek bf% should be under 15% before hittibg cycle .....
12 week cycle pct nolva hgc i think ..... But a few basics as i know

Trust me look at my post's i have asked stupid things over and over again! Lol ...

Just h drol seems so much umm safer ? With hairloss and cycle pluse i dntnoif i can pin my self! Lol

Whats strenge gains like on a test cycle tho ?
 
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