Between Islam and Christianity

[Eggs]

I'm not pointing fingers BU, just asking questions

 

[buildingup]

i know, im kidding most of the time! but really islam is just a stupid cult!

 

[Eggs]

ok see i have prove that there where UN soldieres raping bosnian muslim woman.....
in sarajevo all the UN did was provide food while the serbs bombarded us from up the montains and shoot us with snipers. after 3 years of fighting the bosnian army got stronger and regained 1/3 of bosnia in only 4 months and was going to Banja luka (serbian main strong hold) well thats when the us stepped in and demended for the war to stop or they would start bombing us. and why? because we would remove all serbs from bosnia... all politics, im not blaiming the US for anything, im thank full because they helped us alot

Your statement is assuming that there are no Un peacekeepers that are Muslim one might think... is this the case? If so, might there be those that participated in this travesty that were Muslim?

For instance, when attacking Kuwait, did not Saddams own army rape and pillage? Those that it attacked (and I'm assuming those were women that were raped and not men, but please correct me if I am wrong in this) were Muslim, but this did not keep them from committing these horrible acts.

 

[Eggs]

Well, I'm not sure if I would exactly utilize the term "cult" in association with it... at least when sticking to the true meanings of words.

 

[buildingup]

why not? its not a religion in my eyes!

 

[Eggs]

why not? its not a religion in my eyes!

From Dictionary.com

"
A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader."

So it is irrelevant whether it is a religion or not, what sets it apart from me is that there is no overall ruled of Islam, and of course that there are enough members that one might have a hard time finding its practices "unconventional" in the grand sense of the word.

 

[buildingup]

i consider it false!

 

[buildingup]

and unconventional with them wanking or praying to mecca!

 

[Eggs]

Right, but that is an opinion. So perhaps you would consider them a cult... but I'd think you would be a minority in that, and thus would better argue your point without trying to make that claim. It is a claim that is only relevant in your eyes I guess is what I'm saying.

 

[bio-chem]

"overall ruled of islam"? by this do you mean islam does not appear to have one leader? because if that is the case then very few religions have one leader. the catholics have the pope and he hardly represents the rest of christianity, then there is the dalhi lama....

one of the problems with religions as a whole is the lack of leadership. basically living prophets. that one link that directly connects God to people here on the earth. seems to me more people should be looking for living prophets so there is less confusion about God.

 

[maniclion]

seems to me more people should be looking for living prophets so there is less confusion about God.

If they would look for the prophet within and not the profit without religions would all be cool with me.

 

[Eggs]

Thats what I was saying Bio... there doesn't seem to be a general overall leader of Islam. Or of Chistianity, as there are the various manifestations of it. I believe the word "cult" to be overused these days.

Many words are... for example, earlier I was talking to my philosophy prof, discussing a statement that he made that we are all "philosophers" because we all philosophize in our own way. So I asked him if my putting a band-aid on someone or giving them tylenol makes me a doctor. He stated it didn't, and gave me an excuse why not. However, I'm not buying it. There are various shades in those fields, and I believe a philosopher is at the top, as is doctor. At the bottom, a person who thinks about life and makes decisions as such is a thinker in my book, but not necessarily a philosopher. And a person who puts band aids on people does indeed dable in medical work, but they would hardly be referred to as a doctor. I didn't tell him that of course, I just let him talk... I'd like to not fail that class

Hrmm, would failing a class make me a failure?

 

[Eggs]

If they would look for the prophet within and not the profit without religions would all be cool with me.

And extremely misguided. Prophets exist in stories... neither you nor I are or will ever be one Just like Gods, we can all believe we are Gods, and you can believe that until the worms are eating the shit out of your intestines as you rot in the earth. It still doesn't make you a God. Of course in some peoples opinions you might be, but they dont think so very much of a God then.

Anyways, those things work really well in books.

 

[007]

Neither... Islam believe that the New Testament has been altered and that he never claimed to be God. That is not to say that everything in the New and Old testament has been changed, but we can't be sure what is man made or true revelation.

So either Jesus is a liar and a bad man, or Islam is incorrect in its assessment of the diety of Jesus Christ. Could you explain to me which you think would be the more correct of those statements? And of course, your reason for believing so.

 

[bio-chem]

If they would look for the prophet within and not the profit without religions would all be cool with me.

interesting point. not all religions are about the money. many give crazy amounts of aid the sick and poor.

 

[Eggs]

Neither... Islam believe that the New Testament has been altered and that he never claimed to be God. That is not to say that everything in the New and Old testament has been changed, but we can't be sure what is man made or true revelation.

But one could claim that of Islam... and then we are simply going around in circles.

Belief can be a complicated thing, can it not?

 

[buildingup]

007 i found that article ludicrous! but thanks for sending it for me to read!

 

[bio-chem]

Thats what I was saying Bio... there doesn't seem to be a general overall leader of Islam. Or of Chistianity, as there are the various manifestations of it. I believe the word "cult" to be overused these days.

Many words are... for example, earlier I was talking to my philosophy prof, discussing a statement that he made that we are all "philosophers" because we all philosophize in our own way. So I asked him if my putting a band-aid on someone or giving them tylenol makes me a doctor. He stated it didn't, and gave me an excuse why not. However, I'm not buying it. There are various shades in those fields, and I believe a philosopher is at the top, as is doctor. At the bottom, a person who thinks about life and makes decisions as such is a thinker in my book, but not necessarily a philosopher. And a person who puts band aids on people does indeed dable in medical work, but they would hardly be referred to as a doctor. I didn't tell him that of course, I just let him talk... I'd like to not fail that class

Hrmm, would failing a class make me a failure?

thats the thing about philosophy. you never come to a conclusion. you just get more open ended questions. talking to a philosopher about religion gets nowhere. to accept religion in any form at some point you have to accept the fact that there are absolute truths. if everything is rendered relative then we are in a world of hurt.

 

[007]

i consider it false!

And I thought we were starting to have an intelligent conversation...

 

[buildingup]

i know im being simplistic, but it really is that simple, it is false and a complete slap in the face!

 

[Eggs]

thats the thing about philosophy. you never come to a conclusion. you just get more open ended questions. talking to a philosopher about religion gets nowhere. to accept religion in any form at some point you have to accept the fact that there are absolute truths. if everything is rendered relative then we are in a world of hurt.

Well, philosophy isn't necessarily about giving you a conclusion. IMO its more about giving you the tools to find that conclusion. What you do with those is your own business.

There are many philosophy professors that are not open minded and blind their students instead of giving them those tools though, which is a sad thing.

Anyway, I have to split for a while.

 

[007]

But one could claim that of Islam... and then we are simply going around in circles.

Belief can be a complicated thing, can it not?

True..

 

[maniclion]

And extremely misguided. Prophets exist in stories... neither you nor I are or will ever be one Just like Gods, we can all believe we are Gods, and you can believe that until the worms are eating the shit out of your intestines as you rot in the earth. It still doesn't make you a God. Of course in some peoples opinions you might be, but they dont think so very much of a God then.

Anyways, those things work really well in books.

Of course I don't mean become a prophet I meant look for guidance within and not from some word of others claiming to be "prophets" and don't try to be a prophet for someone else.

 

[bio-chem]

Of course I don't mean become a prophet I meant look for guidance within and not from some word of others claiming to be "prophets" and don't try to be a prophet for someone else.

thats the thing. just because there are and have been false prophets doesnt mean we should disregard the idea all together. what it should do is make us search harder and be more accepting of the real ones.

 

[GFR]

thats the thing. just because there are and have been false prophets doesnt mean we should disregard the idea all together. what it should do is make us search harder and be more accepting of the real ones.

I'm a real prophet......come follow me brother, I will lead you to the truth.

 

[buildingup]

as long as the truth isnt down below and doesnt get ur self in michael jacksons position!

 

[bio-chem]

I'm a real prophet......come follow me brother, I will lead you to the truth.

by their fruits ye shall know them.... so far you dont believe in God. How can you be a prophet to a God that doesnt exist? i think ill keep looking. you dont seem to pass the criteria. sorry.

 

[GFR]

by their fruits ye shall know them.... so far you dont believe in God. How can you be a prophet to a God that doesnt exist? i think ill keep looking. you dont seem to pass the criteria. sorry.

You are clearly being led by Lucifer......I can set you free from his poisonous embrace.

 

[Big Smoothy]

One of the things that doesn't make sense to me is that the New Testament states that Jesus Christ called himself the son of God....For if the New Testament states that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and Islam states that he is not, but that he is a prophet... then what sense is there to be made of that?

Eggs, brilliant.

This is what I thought about last night after reading Abdullah's response. This is very confusing, and contradictory. This concept states that 1. Jesus was a prophet who lied, or 2. Jesus was a prophet who was mistaken.

It makes no sense at all.

So either Jesus is a liar and a bad man, or Islam is incorrect in its assessment of the diety of Jesus Christ. Could you explain to me which you think would be the more correct of those statements? And of course, your reason for believing so.

 

[Eggs]

Well, Abdullar sent me a PM at a later point with links to things that he believe accurately answer these things.

The problem exists that most of these rely on either the Bible or the Koran being completely accurate. I do not believe that either is...

Furthermore, given to a biblical scholar, he would be able to find holes and poke at the Koran much as those links did at the Bible. In fact, googling it might provide those, but I'm not so interested in proving either the Bible or the Koran are more correct than the other, because I believe them both untrue.

Regardless, any Muslim that maintains that the Bible has been changed from the truth, must also realize in kind that the Koran as well could be changed. Neither was written at the time the events transpired, and that automatically leads to some suspicion. Anyways, good talk everyone