cruising on tren

[Standard Donkey]

basically as the thread states, what would the pro's and con's be of cruising on test and tren between blasts?


my main concern would be lipids and collagen, what affect would tren have on these? and should there be anything else to take into consideration?


thank you

 

[Kirk B]

tren dick just a 19 nor no imho you should only cruise with some form of test

 

[nby]

I can't imagine getting bloods back to normal range on even a low dose of tren. Lipid panel will be bad and combining test and tren, both at a low dose will be a cycle on its own.

 

[hypo_glycemic]

BP would be high for to long IMO. A cruise should be 200-250 mg's a week without a 19 nor

 

[vannesb]

basically as the thread states, what would the pro's and con's be of cruising on test and tren between blasts?


my main concern would be lipids and collagen, what affect would tren have on these? and should there be anything else to take into consideration?


thank you

Ten is very hard on you to start with so to come off a cycle and cruise with it would be VERY hard on your body. Why not just cruise with Test?

 

[Standard Donkey]

Ten is very hard on you to start with so to come off a cycle and cruise with it would be VERY hard on your body. Why not just cruise with Test?

thanks for your input, im not actually planning on doing it at all, im just looking into what the issues would be.


seems to be a bit nutty, even for me haha

 

[teezhay]

You know how that stupid moron Greg Valentino shot so much synthol into those ugly fucking arms that they just exploded? I have no reason to believe your entire body will explode like that after 8 months cruising on tren, but ... I do have a hunch.

In all seriousness, I can't find any decent logs of guys cruising on tren. It's hard to imagine there's many people who are willing to endure the sweats and insomnia for dozens of weeks, at merely a cruise dose. Why use something that will shut you down so hard, if you're not going for optimal gains? And the sides are only worth it, in my mind, because the physical results (from a decent dosage) are so remarkable. But if all I was getting was a scaled back tren, then it's just not worth it. I get mad headaches on that shit, presumably from gritting my teeth so much.

 

[Standard Donkey]

You know how that stupid moron Greg Valentino shot so much synthol into those ugly fucking arms that they just exploded? I have no reason to believe your entire body will explode like that after 8 months cruising on tren, but ... I do have a hunch.

In all seriousness, I can't find any decent logs of guys cruising on tren. It's hard to imagine there's many people who are willing to endure the sweats and insomnia for dozens of weeks, at merely a cruise dose. Why use something that will shut you down so hard, if you're not going for optimal gains? And the sides are only worth it, in my mind, because the physical results (from a decent dosage) are so remarkable. But if all I was getting was a scaled back tren, then it's just not worth it. I get mad headaches on that shit, presumably from gritting my teeth so much.

valentino had issues because he re-used needles and would drop them on the floor and pick em up and pin lol. his arms didnt explode.. one of them got infected.

if i even look at a needle wrong i replace it

solid post tho thanks

 

[Bieberhole69]

valentino had issues because he re-used needles and would drop them on the floor and pick em up and pin lol. his arms didnt explode.. one of them got infected.

if i even look at a needle wrong i replace it

solid post tho thanks

Valentino's issues go SO far beyond just reusing needles, lol.

 

[_LG_]

There was a study done on tren hrt. Looked promising. I'll try to find it.

 

[Standard Donkey]

There was a study done on tren hrt. Looked promising. I'll try to find it.

would appreciate that greatly bro

 

[blergs.]

You know how that stupid moron Greg Valentino shot so much synthol into those ugly fucking arms that they just exploded? I have no reason to believe your entire body will explode like that after 8 months cruising on tren, but ... I do have a hunch.

In all seriousness, I can't find any decent logs of guys cruising on tren. It's hard to imagine there's many people who are willing to endure the sweats and insomnia for dozens of weeks, at merely a cruise dose. Why use something that will shut you down so hard, if you're not going for optimal gains? And the sides are only worth it, in my mind, because the physical results (from a decent dosage) are so remarkable. But if all I was getting was a scaled back tren, then it's just not worth it. I get mad headaches on that shit, presumably from gritting my teeth so much.

Depends on if or how bad you get sides.
I dont get much of anything if i dose it right (200-400mg trene ew) and acually was pondering the same thing as the thread starter. not so much a cruse but a small addition to my mild cutter.
but than again I can say Im not exacly super happy when on it, so I may not.

 

[SloppyJ]

Wouldn't "cruising" on tren defeat the purpose?

Dude aren't you like 19?

 

[Standard Donkey]

Wouldn't "cruising" on tren defeat the purpose? Care to explain?

Dude aren't you like 19? No..

 

[blergs.]

I dont rec heing on HRT with tren BTW

 

[FordFan]

I know someone who would blast and cruise test e and tren e. he will blast 500 test wk and 400 tren ew for 12 wks. Cruise on 250 test and 200 tren ew for about 6 weeks and repeat.

He doesn't do any bloods or takes no ai's of any sort.

I do not suggest anyone to do this.

 

[Standard Donkey]

I know someone who would blast and cruise test e and tren e. he will blast 500 test wk and 400 tren ew for 12 wks. Cruise on 250 test and 200 tren ew for about 6 weeks and repeat.

He doesn't do any bloods or takes no ai's of any sort.

I do not suggest anyone to do this.

that's not helpful at all bro!!! lol thanks for posting though

 

[dieseljimmy]

Wouldn't "cruising" on tren defeat the purpose?

Dude aren't you like 19?

Thats what I was thinking(not the 19 part)
Sounds like doing bike tour on a liter bike. Just not a comfortable substance.
but then again I look forward to getting off tren. I hate sweating and sleeping.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Thats what I was thinking(not the 19 part)
Sounds like doing bike tour on a liter bike. Just not a comfortable substance.
but then again I look forward to getting off tren. I hate sweating and sleeping.

i love tren.. idk maybe ill give it a shot and see what happens I can run pretty high doses of tren and not be too uncomfortable so we shall see

 

[bjg]

standard donkey you are a teen and you are cruising on steroids and above all tren!!!!

 

[Standard Donkey]

standard donkey you are a teen and you are cruising on steroids and above all tren!!!!

fuck off you fucking retard.. i am not a teenager stop saying stupid shit


seriously fuck off and die


draw your imaginary degrees and articles into a fucking 18g and inject that shit straight into your fucking jugular

 

[bjg]

^^^^^ tren rage

 

[Standard Donkey]

^^^^^ tren rage

yeah it gets to me when fucking assclowns say dumb shit.. ive gotten that shit from all kinds of "respected vets" here at IM, you know who you dumb fuckers are



anyways..

like i said before, my main concern is lipids but i think im going to give it a shot after this next blast and ill report back with my bloodwork

 

[chucky1]

what are your stats? this sounds crazy bro imho , bp, kidney, liver issues might be a problem after a while but I'm not tren crazy like you, you are gifted to be able do as much tren as you say...good luck

 

[Standard Donkey]

what are your stats? this sounds crazy bro imho , bp, kidney, liver issues might be a problem after a while but I'm not tren crazy like you, you are gifted to be able do as much tren as you say...good luck

5'9 205 22 years old

i dont think ive seen any evidence that tren affects kidneys or liver.. if you would post some up that would certainly add a ton to the discussion bro

 

[chucky1]

I really dont know for sure bro I just read things here and there over the years concerning tren and kidneys might be bs but i think tren is harder on the liver then any other oils. might want to look in to it but I could be wrong...

 

[Standard Donkey]

I really dont know for sure bro I just read things here and there over the years concerning tren and kidneys might be bs but i think tren is harder on the liver then any other oils. might want to look in to it but I could be wrong...

thanks for your input bro, guess im just gonna have to look into it myself unless someone else has a definitive answer. Ive read thoughts on both sides of the discussion

 

[bjg]

standarddonkey tren is the worst roid ever when it comes to liver damage and other stuff ...many studies were posted on this forum regarding tren...

 

[chucky1]

found this on another form:
I wanted to share this with everyone on Elite because this is a question I see commonly asked on the boards. This is Author L. Rea's commentary on trenbolone toxicity and first appeared onwww.anabolicbeast.com.

Question: I've got the following problem: In many books(including CME, WAR) I can read trenbolone is quite toxic, and you should use low dosages for short periods. I now some people who used Parabolan ****ed blood. BUT I can also read that trenbolone isn't toxic (Bill Roberts: WAR revisited):

"I have found no indication in the scientific literature of particular kidney toxicity with trenbolone. I know of a number of users, at doses of typically 50 mg/day, who have experienced no problems. There are however anecdotal claims of kidney problems. It seems to me, however, that this is occurring only with athletes stacking an incredible amount of drugs, and how the blame can fairly be laid at trenbolone (actually at Parabolan, not trenbolone acetate) is not clear."
In Anabolics 2002 nor William Llewellyn mentioned anything about this toxicity.

I know people using trenbolone acetate 100mg/day for 10weeks without any problem. Just see Nevertoobig's stack: he uses 100mg trenbolone acetate ED.

As I know liver toxicity is in connection with the hexahydrobenzylcarbonate ester and it can be a problem with Parabolan but you don't have to worry if you uses other ester like acetate. So what is the truth? And if I'm right why was finajet so toxic? Just because it was for animals and the oil was not clear enough?

Answer: Trenbolone acetate preperations are toxic to both liver and kidney tissue. The extent is a matter of period of administration for the most part. The reasons are strange but true.

At one time there were the many black-market preperations of Finaplix, FinaJect and others. Most of these contained simple ground Finaplex-H implants...as most are painfully aware. With the process (if you can refer to a caveman approach as a process. The idea of "I have a rock and can make my own AAS" is not a good one) came many foreign non-kidney-friendly materials, some of which were non-soluable. The use of Fina-kits eleminated some of the material concerns due to the use of benzyl alcohol as a solvent to seperate the binders from the AAS in Finaplex-H implants. But there is another concern. The EOD or ED administration of trenbolone acetate preperations also means an accumulation of benzyl alcohol (which is quite high in these kits). Personally I felt that in itself this would not be a huge concern. Unfortunately athlete liver and kidney stress markers consistantly showed in those who utilized the drug. (A little research to discuss)

TR-343
Toxicology and Carcinogenesis Studies of Benzyl Alcohol (CAS No. 100-51-6) in F344/N Rats and B6C3F1 Mice (Gavage Studies)
Chemical Formula: C7H8O - 3D Structure*

Toxicology and carcinogenesis studies of technical-grade benzyl alcohol (99% pure), a textile dye additive, solvent, and food flavoring agent, were conducted by administering the chemical by gavage in corn oil vehicle to groups of F344/N rats and B6C3F1 mice of each sex for 16 days, 13 weeks, or 2 years.

Short-Term Studies:
In 16-day studies, all five male and five female rats and mice dosed with 2,000 mg/kg benzyl alcohol died. Two of five male and 3/5 female rats and 1/5 male and 2/5 female mice dosed with 1,000 mg/kg died. Rats and mice of each sex in the two highest dose groups were lethargic after dosing. Other toxic responses to benzyl alcohol in these dose groups included blood around the mouth and nose, subcutaneous hemorrhages, and blood in the urinary and gastrointestinal tracts of rats and blood in the urinary bladder of mice. Animals administered lower doses of benzyl alcohol (125, 250, or 500 mg/kg) had no compound-related histologic lesions.

Doses selected for the 13-week studies were 0, 50, 100, 200, 400, and 800 mg/kg for rats and mice. Eight of 10 male rats dosed with 800 mg/kg died during weeks 7 and 8; four of these deaths were described as gavage related. Rats dosed with 800 mg/kg exhibited clinical signs indicative of neurotoxicity including staggering, respiratory difficulty, and lethargy. Hemorrhages occurred around the mouth and nose, and there were histologic lesions in the brain, thymus, skeletal muscle, and kidney.

In truth I now feel that it is the accumulative benzyl alcohol that had altered the liver and kidney markers disfavorably far more so than the trenbolone itself. One must remember that the amount of benzyl alcohol in 1ml of most kit preperations is several times higher than an entire 10ml vial of testosterone enanthate.
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[Standard Donkey]

interesting read (ive seen that article before)


The BA content is worth taking note of... however, im not injecting 200-2000mg/kg of bodyweight in BA so im not too concerned lmao



long term use may be different though. Thanks again for posting