cruising on tren

[chucky1]

np

 

[ctr10]

I think too much and too long of anything can have a negative effect

 

[Standard Donkey]

I think too much and too long of anything can have a negative effect

seems a litle ambiguous but thanks for your perspective

 

[gm09]

There was a study done on tren hrt. Looked promising. I'll try to find it.

read something similar, tren looked promising for hrt bc it didnt negatively affect the prostate

 

[fireman23]

Basskiller.com got some good reads on tren.

 

[Digitalash]

I think the issue here is assuming that the dose will be high enough to cause such issues as high bp, insomnia etc. Personally I don't think something like 100mg a week would be an issue as long as one is getting bloodwork semi-regularly. Tren just has certain effects on body composition and fat tissue that can't be mimiced by test. As far as collagen I haven't seen anything conclusive, but considering it raises igf-1 more than any other AAS (that I know of at least) it should be helpful in that regard? I don't think one would need to worry about prolactin at a dose that low, and since you're cruising anyway 19-nor shutdown shouldn't be a worry.

I've tried it for about 12 weeks personally, first 6 @ 100mg and last 6 @ 200mg EW. Stacked with 250mg test. I have gained small but noticeable bodyfat since dropping it without changing my diet, though I feel slightly better and less anxious mentally. As far as libido, collagen, appetite, what have you I don't notice any difference. I honestly feel more "agressive" on just test than with the additonal tren. Call me reckless, but I think it would be worth trying and getting bloodwork, if only so that info's out there for future generations

edit: all doses assuming Tren E and not Ace or Hex etc...

 

[SupaSwole]

^^^ 100 mg a week... Were you useing tren ace? If so how we're you useing? 20 mg EOD

 

[Digitalash]

ha sorry I edited my post just as you posted that, No I was using 100 and then 200mg Tren E a week. Usually 1x a week with 250mg test E. For posterity sake I occasionally divided the dose 2x a week though not often. My pinning schedule is sometimes erratic and follows my mood/mental state. I'm also trying to recover from a fairly severe shoulder injury so EQ has been incorporated haphazardly at 200mg a week-ish.

 

[SupaSwole]

 

[Lordsks]

last part is interesting.

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[h=1]17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate.[/h]Yarrow JF, Conover CF, McCoy SC, Lipinska JA, Santillana CA, Hance JM, Cannady DF, VanPelt TD, Sanchez J, Conrad BP, Pingel JE, Wronski TJ, Borst SE.
[h=3]Source[/h]VA Medical Center, University of Florida, Gainesville, 32608-1197, USA. jfyarrow@ufl.edu

[h=3]Abstract[/h]Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) now under development can protect against muscle and bone loss without causing prostate growth or polycythemia. 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone), a potent testosterone analog, may have SARM-like actions because, unlike testosterone, trenbolone does not undergo tissue-specific 5α-reduction to form more potent androgens. We tested the hypothesis that trenbolone-enanthate (TREN) might prevent orchiectomy-induced losses in muscle and bone and visceral fat accumulation without increasing prostate mass or resulting in adverse hemoglobin elevations. Male F344 rats aged 3 mo underwent orchiectomy or remained intact and were administered graded doses of TREN, supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate, or vehicle for 29 days. In both intact and orchiectomized animals, all TREN doses and supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate augmented androgen-sensitive levator ani/bulbocavernosus muscle mass by 35-40% above shams (P ≤ 0.001) and produced a dose-dependent partial protection against orchiectomy-induced total and trabecular bone mineral density losses (P < 0.05) and visceral fat accumulation (P < 0.05). The lowest doses of TREN successfully maintained prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations at sham levels in both intact and orchiectomized animals, whereas supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate and high-dose TREN elevated prostate mass by 84 and 68%, respectively (P < 0.01). In summary, low-dose administration of the non-5α-reducible androgen TREN maintains prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations near the level of shams while producing potent myotrophic actions in skeletal muscle and partial protection against orchiectomy-induced bone loss and visceral fat accumulation. Our findings indicate that TREN has advantages over supraphysiological testosterone and supports the need for future preclinical studies examining the viability of TREN as an option for androgen replacement therapy.

 

[SloppyJ]

22 and cruise on tren. Dude just put it down and walk away.

 

[Standard Donkey]

22 and cruise on tren. Dude just put it down and walk away.

care to explain? (im starting to feel silly asking you that..)

 

[Digitalash]

lol @ asking a bodybuilder to put it down and walk away... no offense at all sloppy but you of all people know it doesn't work like that

 

[bjg]

finding an article that says tren did not hurt such and such animal or person during this study cannot and should not be used as a reference .......you can find an article that will probably say that smoking is good!
Each person reacts differently to steroids , some can tolerate them more and some not at all....however, the human nature is made in a way that people's level of cautiousness goes down with time ... if one is not hurt by one cycle..he will repeat it again ..then again then adding the dose and he will become less cautious..this is the trap because in the end he will be in deep shit before he can realize it...it is like the gambler who wins the first time playing safe and the again then again until he is not playing safe anymore and he loses everything...this is human nature.
i'll tell you a story: when we were kids my friend stole a book from a big department store..as he was walking out they stopped him at the last exit door and took him to a room etc... he was so embarrassed and begged them to let him go. And asked them: how did you catch me?? they answered : listen boy even if we did not catch you this time..there will be a time where we will... because normally a shoplifter who is not caught will return to the same place to do it again!
so you decide what is the moral of the story

 

[Standard Donkey]

finding an article that says tren did not hurt such and such animal or person during this study cannot and should not be used as a reference .......you can find an article that will probably say that smoking is good!
Each person reacts differently to steroids , some can tolerate them more and some not at all....however, the human nature is made in a way that people's level of cautiousness goes down with time ... if one is not hurt by one cycle..he will repeat it again ..then again then adding the dose and he will become less cautious..this is the trap because in the end he will be in deep shit before he can realize it...it is like the gambler who wins the first time playing safe and the again then again until he is not playing safe anymore and he loses everything...this is human nature.
i'll tell you a story: when we were kids my friend stole a book from a big department store..as he was walking out they stopped him at the last exit door and took him to a room etc... he was so embarrassed and begged them to let him go. And asked them: how did you catch me?? they answered : listen boy even if we did not catch you this time..there will be a time where we will... because normally a shoplifter who is not caught will return to the same place to do it again!
so you decide what is the moral of the story

nobody here cares what you think.. how are you not picking up on this?

 

[Standard Donkey]

lol @ asking a bodybuilder to put it down and walk away... no offense at all sloppy but you of all people know it doesn't work like that

he never explains himself either... just says dumb shit.. leaves.. then returns to say more dumb shit and leaves again

 

[Glycomann]

5'9 205 22 years old

i dont think ive seen any evidence that tren affects kidneys or liver.. if you would post some up that would certainly add a ton to the discussion bro

The kidney bit stems from it being metabolized to a sulfer containing rust colored metabolite that is excreted into the urine. Some thought it was blood. It isn't. But tren is no joke. For most it cranks up BP and heart rate. the BP is what is rough especially on kidneys. That's probably the single largest danger of AAS.. the chronically BP.

 

[ctr10]

Standard Donkey maybe you should run this by Heavy, I think SloppyJ feels you could have negative side effects from doing it, you are young bro

 

[Standard Donkey]

The kidney bit stems from it being metabolized to a sulfer containing rust colored metabolite that is excreted into the urine. Some thought it was blood. It isn't. But tren is no joke. For most it cranks up BP and heart rate. the BP is what is rough especially on kidneys. That's probably the single largest danger of AAS.. the chronically BP.

yeah my bp gets elevated a bit to around 115-120 and the denominator increases about the same rate. thanks for your post bro

 

[Standard Donkey]

Standard Donkey maybe you should run this by Heavy, I think SloppyJ feels you could have negative side effects from doing it, you are young bro

i care what heavy thinks.. couldnt care less what sloppy thinks lmao..


someone wanna get heavy in here for me? dont wanna bother him cause hes gotta be super busy.

 

[bjg]

standardonkey: i have been lifting way before you were ever born , i have seen all kinds of bodybuilders and all kinds of lifting you can ever imagine in your wildest dream, so chill out and stop being an idiot . you are 22 and still barely a BEGINNER in bodybuilding and you definitely don't need steroids at your age and in your position ( you are neither a pro bodybuilder or a pro athlete) and whatever level you have reached so far could have been done without steroids..your obsession is going to hurt you ....again you are 22 what would you be taking at 42?

 

[Standard Donkey]

standardonkey: i have been lifting way before you were ever born , i have seen all kinds of bodybuilders and all kinds of lifting you can ever imagine in your wildest dream, so chill out and stop being an idiot . you are 22 and still barely a BEGINNER in bodybuilding and you definitely don't need steroids at your age and in your position ( you are neither a pro bodybuilder or a pro athlete) and whatever level you have reached so far could have been done without steroids..your obsession is going to hurt you ....again you are 22 what would you be taking at 42?

anywhere from 250-400mg of test E a week..

its not about what i could have achieved naturally.. life is short, youth is shorter, so take as many shortcuts as you can (as long as you can stay reasonably healthy)

let me "be an idiot" bro, my life is of no consequence to you so fuck off

 

[bjg]

anywhere from 250-400mg of test E a week..

its not about what i could have achieved naturally.. life is short, youth is shorter, so take as many shortcuts as you can (as long as you can stay reasonably healthy)

let me "be an idiot" bro, my life is of no consequence to you so fuck off

you are right your life is of no consequence to me but this is a discussion and whatever i say may help others so you can F off. And no matter what bullshit studies you come up with boy ..you know deep inside that you are not right taking all that crap and this is not only directed to you but also to all others of your age.
By the way when i show articles to my friend (an orthopedic surgeon and sports specialist) articles like the ones you find on the net claiming that steroids bla bla are safe based on such and such research....he answers (laughingly): Fuck you ..i studied medicine for 14 years and wrote 100 articles ..i don't need your crap from the internet to teach me medicine...